Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

[NotfooledbyW]

You have conceded abortion victims are human beings.

You are leaving out that I maintain the unborn human beings have a specific legal distinction divided by quickening; a “distinction between pre- and post-quickening” in effect at the time of our founding and I agree that Alito is correct when he says the Constitution can only protect the right to abortion if it is “deeply rooted in our nation’s history and tradition.”

A.Tang220602 Recall that the leaked opinion overturns Roe v. Wade on the basis of a particular legal test: The Constitution, it says, can only protect the right to abortion if it is “deeply rooted in our nation’s history and tradition.”​

What Justice Alito Can Learn From a 114-Year-Old Sex Abuse Scandal​

Alito recognizes that this test is actually terrible for him as of the founding because every state then in the union respected the “distinction between pre- and post-quickening abortion” and treated the former as no crime at all.​

NFBW: So quit lying about what I have conceded CarsomyrPlusSix ? Your lies disgrace all post-quick atheist human beings of a rational nature.

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[NotfooledbyW]

Cplus6230107-#6,656 CarsomyrPlusSix He’s straining with laymen ignorance and trying to pretend that biology - which he hates and doesn’t understand- doesn’t exist whenever possible, especially when inconvenient to him.

NFBW: The establishment by the Supreme Court of South Carolina this past week is huge in that an expectant mother’s right to privacy is recognized by a God-fearing, Bible Thumping, white Christian nationalist southern state is a legitimate human right. ITS A RIGHT that no Government can deny including a woman’s right to a safe and legal abortion within the limit of doing it before potent viability which can be set as early as the twentieth week of pregnancy.

A.Tang211026 The importance of a state-law consensus is why antiabortion advocates have long rested their argument on the similar claim that when the 14th Amendment was ratified, 27 of the 37 states banned abortion throughout pregnancy. The state of Mississippi makes this claim in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the pending case, and no fewer than five amicusbriefs repeat it. Via​

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This claim is wrong, grounded on a series of historical errors. The foundational mistake is the failure to grapple with the long-standing rule that abortion was legal so long as it was performed before quickening, the first noticeable fetal movement that often occurs at 15 or 16 weeks.​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...nd-abortion-that-originalists-should-embrace/​

The concept of quickening is crucial because people understood it to represent the first sign of life. Sir William Blackstone, an 18th-century jurist whom originalists deem a “preeminent” originalist authority, wrote that abortion is unlawful only after a “woman is quick with child” because that is when life “begins in contemplation of law.” As historian James Mohr has explained, the “distinction between quick and unquick” pregnancies was “virtually universal” in 19th-century America.​

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[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Enough lies. Enough archaic ignorant gobbledygook. Enough inane faggotry.

Find a fire, hurl yourself in. You’re dead to me, and in an ideal world, to everyone else. You’re a troll and a waste of any possible resources.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Enough lies. Enough archaic ignorant gobbledygook. Enough inane faggotry.

Find a fire, hurl yourself in. You’re dead to me, and in an ideal world, to everyone else. You’re a troll and a waste of any possible resources.

Life begins for human beings in contemplation of secular law following a set standard of viability or quickening at around 20 weeks.

So Run and hide with the rest of the woman hating frauds then when the truth becomes inconvenient to you all.

Jesus says seek the truth and you will find LOVE You should try it some time. it’s good advice to haters.

The concept of quickening is crucial because people understood it to represent the first sign of life. Sir William Blackstone, an 18th-century jurist whom originalists deem a “preeminent” originalist authority, wrote that abortion is unlawful only after a “woman is quick with child” because that is when life “begins in contemplation of law.” As historian James Mohr has explained, the “distinction between quick and unquick” pregnancies was “virtually universal” in 19th-century America.​

 

[NotfooledbyW]

NFBW: #ding’s fallacies are very complex constructions but they are fallacies just the same. His belief that predominantly white and Christian state lawmakers can use indirect evidence from God’s creation to make laws to restrict a pregnant woman’s access to a safe legal abortion prior to viability or quickening, is founded on an elaborate scheme to blur the line between those who pursue truth based on material evidence, facts and best use of human reason known as science against those who pursue truth based upon a revealed and organized structure known as religion .

The ethics of abortion cannot be settled in our secular society, scientifically and thus truthfully and judicially by white Christian state lawmakers because they have the same unscientific prejudice against the pure scientific and biological fact that once conceived, the alive human developing organism using a woman’s body cannot survive on its own if separated from its mother. That condition is referred to as not viable if it cannot and viable if it can.

The truth needed is not when scientific biological life begins, because on abortion rights, the matter needing to be settled is when does viable life begin for human beings in contemplation of secular law.

ding230102-#187 To be Christian one only need to believe that God so loved man that He chose to be born into this world to testify to the truth and suffer death to reconcile justice with mercy.

ding230105-#14 “Technically anyone who who speaks anything that is true is speaking for God as God is truth among other things.”

ding230102-#160 I wouldn't believe in God either if I based my belief of God's existence on your intellectually devoid interpretation of the Bible. Good thing we have what God created to study the indirect evidence of God. Something you have apparently never done.

NFBW -#4,913 Viability -
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CarsomyrPlusSix220818-#4,912 “it’s just oh so fucking irrelevant,”
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NFBW -#4,913 “that’s odd because 31 states ban abortion at viability or within the timeframe that viability occurs.?

• 9 states ban abortion.
• 4 states ban abortion at 6 weeks LMP.
• 1 state bans abortion at 15 weeks LMP.
• 9 states ban abortion at 22 weeks LMP (20 weeks postfertilization in state law) on the unscientific grounds that a fetus can feel pain at that point.
• 4 states ban abortion at 24 weeks LMP.
• 17 states impose a ban at viability.
• 1 state imposes a ban in the third trimester (beginning at 25 weeks LMP)
• State Bans on Abortion Throughout Pregnancy

It is very interesting to see that an atheist and a Catholic who are politically opposed to a woman’s reproductive right are both hellbent on driving the concept of viability out of a secular search for truth, law and order and political consensus on a woman’s right to choose in private to terminate her own pregnancy prior to the viability of the living human organism that is developing inside her.
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[NotfooledbyW]

NFBW: Voters in all five states where an abortion-rights measure was on the ballot upheld a woman's right to choose. It is possible that around half of those choice voters are Christians. #ding explains why they can vote against the authoritarian white Christian nationalist anti-choice agenda:

ding230102-#187 To be Christian one only need to believe that God so loved man that He chose to be born into this world to testify to the truth and suffer death to reconcile justice with mercy.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Cplus6239107-#6,660 Words have meanings, retard.

NFBW: Yes, viability is the meaningful word that defines when life begins for human beings in contemplation of secular law. It is a fact that biological human life begins at conception. And yes it is morally fit for a secular society to grant women who experience an unwanted pregnancy privacy time to decide to terminate their pregnancies before the fetus becomes viable.

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[beagle9]

Cplus6239107-#6,660 Words have meanings, retard.

NFBW: Yes, viability is the meaningful word that defines when life begins for human beings in contemplation of secular law. It is a fact that biological human life begins at conception. And yes it is morally fit for a secular society to grant women who experience an unwanted pregnancy privacy time to decide to terminate their pregnancies before the fetus becomes viable.

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It's funny how you keep sparring with ding, and it appears that he's been done on this subject... ROTFLMBO

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Cplus6239107-#6,660 Words have meanings, retard.
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NFBW230108-#6,667 Yes, viability is the meaningful word that defines when life begins for human beings in contemplation of secular law. It is a fact that biological human life begins at conception. And yes it is morally fit for a secular society to grant women who experience an unwanted pregnancy privacy time to decide to terminate their pregnancies before the fetus becomes viable. •••• END2301081402
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beagle9230108-#6,668 It's funny how you keep sparring with ding, and it appears that he's been done on this subject.

NFBW: Yes, it is true #ding has run away, left the field, jumped out of the ring, flew the coop because I found the weakness in his ‘one trick pony’ elaborate scheme to intellectually “shame” pro-choice posters who vote Democrat with his bullshit “easier for you to kill them” word play tool as found in this (viability denial) exchange last August;

NFBW220815-#4,841 Actually that is deniable because of the significant scientific fact that the human being lifespan that begins at conception is not a viable human being when it consists of only one cell. Human beings have 30 trillion. •••• Scientists have come a long way in estimating the number of cells in the average human body. Most recent estimates put the number of cells at around 30 trillion. Written out, that’s 30,000,000,000,000! •••• END2208152318​

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ding220815-#4,843 Incorrect again. Every embryology textbook teaches that new genetically distinct human beings come into existence IMMEDIATELY after fertilization. That's the science. Viability apart from its mother plays no role in that determination. The reason you are playing word games with viability is to make it easier to kill them and dismiss their right to life. •••• You deny the science that a new genetically distinct human being comes alive after fertilization because it's easier for you to kill them and dismiss their right to life if you don't see them as living human beings. •••• Women should acknowledge that they understand that getting an abortion is literally ending the life of a new, living, genetically distinct human being; one that has never existed before and will never exist again. Your minimizing the consequences of abortion does no one any favors. It's dishonest and ghoulish. •••• “The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.” Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. the first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization​

NFBW: Anyway beagle9 thanks for catching the fact that ding and CarsomyrPlusSix run away at the very mention of the SCIENTIFIC FACT that a human being is not viable outside the womb for at least 20 weeks following conception. Fetal viability defines when life begins for human beings in contemplation of secular law. That fact means there is no secular civil society shame or crime when a woman in the explicit privacy that is her right, decides to end the not-viable life in the womb as a matter of choice.

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[NotfooledbyW]

It's funny how you keep sparring with ding,

NFBW: Hilarious to the intellectually not curious crowd I am sure.

ding230102-#160 I wouldn't believe in God either if I based my belief of God's existence on your intellectually devoid interpretation of the Bible. Good thing we have what God created to study the indirect evidence of God. Something you have apparently never done.​

NFBW: #ding argues that he has not Catholic scientific proof that we as a secular society must accept in our collective contemplation of secular abortion law that human beings (individual persons for purposes of rights and laws) are created and therefore present at the moment of conception and the fertilized ovum are fully equal to all fetuses who survive to live birth and viability.

• The legal definition of direct evidence is evidence that directly proves a key fact. On the other hand, indirect evidence, which is sometimes called circumstantial evidence, is a set of facts that, if they are true, allows a reasonable person to infer the fact in question. •••• Know Your Evidence: The Difference Between Direct and ...www.chamberslawfirmca.com/know-your-evidence-the-difference-between-direct-and-indirect-evidence/

NFBW: So, beagle9 could you ask ding if his scientific conclusion that secular law human life begins at conception is based on direct evidence or indirect evidence from his study of God’s creation? Thanks!

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[NotfooledbyW]

jgalt220614-#10 johngaltshrugged “What sane person thinks butchering an innocent & vulnerable human being just starting their life is OK?”

NFBW: Sane people who have experienced separation from their birth mother do not butcher innocent & vulnerable human beings who are at a stage development where they are either separated or capable of being separated from their birth mother’s at about 22 weeks following conception.,

Lastamender221024-#41 Lastamender “Hispanics are conservatives.”
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BrokeLoser221024-#46 @BrokeLoser “Hmmmm…the party of filth, abortion and lawlessness has always been the party of filth, abortion and lawlessness….but hispanics have been voting for free shit and fuck whitey….Why is that suddenly changing?”

NFBW: Hispanics are hardworking, family oriented and most importantly are predominantly members of the Catholic Church. That religious affiliation on abortion should be a slam dunk for the Republican Party to welcome immigration from south of our borders who religiously agree that human right to life begins at the moment of conception..

But Republicans need all the Trumpism votes they can get from star rightwing voters like BrokeLoser being the face of the Republican Trumpism establishment.

BrokeLoser wrote about America being a nation that was founded, built, run and funded by heterosexual white Christians which of course would exclude Catholics and specifically those non-white ones who do not come from Europe.

BrokeLoser221003-#10 “Easy now...I side with Conservatives, I vote with Conservatives BUT they are the most nutless, spinless, big mouth pieces of shit that ever were. Come on man...they didn’t have the balls to keep heterosexual white Christians cool in a nation founded, built, run and funded by heterosexual white Christians. The Left has owned their sackless asses for decades....Sad but true.”

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[NotfooledbyW]

beagle9230109-#470 One thing is for damned sure, and that is that you leftist aren't going to destroy your opponent's who are just as much of American's as you are, so if you hate other American's so bad then start the damned war against them already, and get it to hell out of your system once and for all.

NFBW: Let me explain why you can take your war paint off beagle9 - The left has no need to start a war against the anti-democracy right. The right has been working its way to committing suicide since Roe vs Wade was decided in 1973. White Christian nationalists and GOP political operatives figured out a way through emotional fakery to label Democrats and liberals as baby killers. it worked by building a large voting bloc loyal to Republicans all bound together by abortion and neatly advertised as focused on the family and the Christian Coalition under a false pretense that only conservatives are pro-life.

Dobbs v Jackson put a bullet in the chamber for the out of touch with political reality on reproductive rights for women, white Christian nationalists religious right. The white self-righteous right are eager to pull the trigger and shoot the Republican Party squarely in the head. The Grand OLDE Party will be dead within a decade or two.

“The terrible irony is that this broadly empowered faction believes that because the white majority is shrinking, democracy is dying and only they can save it, albeit by snuffing it out altogether — burning the village and all that. In the mainstreamed MAGA mindset, the true America is and always has been homogenous, strictly controlled, its mores and traditions defined by those on top. That’s hardly democracy, but it is America for sure.​

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Is This The End?

As concerns about the possible end of American democracy persist, let us remember: It’s always been the end.

www.huffpost.com

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The GOP sees multiracial democracy as tying its hands, literally. To see the hordes waving their arms at rallies, or brandishing flags and banners and weapons at the attempted insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021, is to see them saying quite clearly: We will not be tied. Democracy for them is about absolute freedom of movement, making their own incursions wherever and whenever necessary, consequences be damned. In their minds, it is their movements that must determine all of ours. This, to them, is the American way.​

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But we — Americans of the better angels, for lack of a better phrase — know better. It’s why we can’t lean into defeat, toward foregone conclusions and gloomy assumptions about the end of our own history. We have to embrace the greatest American privilege offered to all: not unchecked power, but belief in the promise of the opposite.​

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It’s been said that you can’t love if you’re always bracing for impact, and the same is true of striving toward democracy — you can’t do it if you’re also waiting for a hammer to fall. Nor can we follow the MAGA/Trump warrior creed that it’s all about winning, losers go home. No: This is home for all of us, and it requires our vigorous defense, now and in the future. Because in 2023, despite what looks like evidence to the contrary, we indeed still have a future that can ― in theory ― finally break from our past.”​

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[NotfooledbyW]

Sassy220106-#6 SassyIrishLass “What insurrection?”

Sassy220106-#6 If you support abortion you have issues and are primarily a selfish centered individual. Unable to take personal responsibility and probably why you've failed in life

NFBW: Trump has failed in life often including in November 2020 when he became America’s sorest loser ever.

We have irrefutable direct evidence that Trump inspired, incited and caused Ashley Babbitt to come to DC on Jan6 to participate in his multiple-pronged attempts to block the US Congress from performing it’s CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION to certify the actual winner of the 2020 presidential election - the honorable Joe Biden. And now that dumb insurrectionist is dead.

There is no known evidence that a lifelong Catholic, Joe Biden fathered and then supported or wanted his potential child aborted.

So it appears SassyIrishLass you have figured out why Trump is an absolute failure of a human being and Biden is an absolute success at being a human being literally building bridges with Republicans like Mitch McConnell

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'A legislative miracle': Joe Biden, MitchMcConnell celebrate Brent Spence deal
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As Republicans fight, Bidentouts real (and figurative) bridge building
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FOX 5 Washington D.C.
Biden visits Kentucky withMcConnell to highlight funding for aging bridge
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The Wall Street Journal
Joe Biden, Mitch McConnellTout Bridge Funding in Show of Bipartisanship
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NFBW: once in a blue moon while SassyIrishLass you are right about something!

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[NotfooledbyW]

NFBW: Think about it. Women had a national right to privacy to have an abortion when Trump lost in 2020 and then deliberately and intentionally without evidence marketed the BIG LIE that he had actually won.

“And yet, at least 253 key political leaders across red-state America believed or pretended to believe the lie, and 147 Republican legislators voted to overturn a legal election based on the lie.​

Opinion: What Happened To The Truth?

The entire Trump presidency was rooted in lies, and those lies have added to the persistent chipping away at democracy.

www.huffpost.com

White conservatives rioted at the U.S. Capitol over that lie (and then tried to lie and say antifa did it).​

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I contend that it is the sanctimonious white Christian nationalist movement’s convergence with the Republican Party, following the Roe v Wade decision in 1973, and incessant use of abortion as the primary cultural wedge issue is why secular truth has become so devalued ever since the birther rode down the golden escalator like Moses coming down from the mountain of Trump Tower in 2015.

Any objections?

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[NotfooledbyW]

Bad news for Republican voters

South Carolina Supreme Court ruled right to privacy protects abortion rights ••••
Economy has lowest unemployment rate in fifty years •••• inflation coming back to 2% - Biden’s economy is bottom up recovery - recession fears fading. •••• I can buy gas outside DC for $2.99 /gal •••• Anti-democracy attack in Brazil tied to Republican Trump Party will drive Latino voters into the Democrat camp for good and in big numbers.
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And American MuggWumps love this stuff..
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'A legislative miracle': Joe Biden, MitchMcConnell celebrate Brent Spence deal
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President Biden’s ‘pivot’ to the center is more of the same extremist nonsense
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Biden visits Kentucky withMcConnell to highlight funding for aging bridge
7 days ago

The Wall Street Journal
Joe Biden, Mitch McConnellTout Bridge Funding in Show of Bipartisanship
6 days ago

Cleveland Plain Dealer
Biden, McConnell bipartisan bridge: Darcy cartoon
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Yahoo News
As Republicans fight, Bidentouts real (and figurative) bridge building
7 days ago

Washington Post
As McCarthy struggles in House, McConnell appears with Biden in Ky.
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USA Today
'We can work together': Biden, McConnell share spotlight as House GOP fight rages
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WHAS TV11
Biden heads to Kentucky to highlight cash for aging bridge
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‘Literally Taking a Joy Ride’: Biden and McConnell Hold Rare Joint Event to Hype Infrastructure Bill...
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[NotfooledbyW]

CCJones221105-#124 This fails as a red herring fallacy. •••• Personal, subjective opinions as to when life begins are completely unrelated to government excess and overreach at the expense of individual liberty. •••• Attempting to conflate the two is dishonest. •••• It is perfectly appropriate and consistent to oppose abortion and seek to end the practice while also defending a woman’s right to privacy and opposing government excess and overreach by ‘banning’ abortion.
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westwall221105-#125 All of your posts fail the basic truth test. •••• You are a prolific liar.

NFBW: What truth test has C_Clayton_Jones failed westwall ?????

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[NotfooledbyW]

TommyT200904-#1 Post and Comment:

Driver who plowed into BLM protesters in NYC 'is a Trump supporter' •••• The man - who has not yet been publicly named - was caught on camera driving his black Ford Taurus sedan into the crowd in Times Square shortly after 8pm on Thursday
www.dailymail.co.uk
The driver of a car that plowed into a crowd of Black Lives Matter demonstrators in New York City reportedly attended a Keep America Great counterprotest just hours earlier. •••• The man - who has not yet been publicly named - was caught on camera driving his black Ford Taurus sedan into the crowd in Times Square shortly after 8pm on Thursday evening. •••• NBC quotes police sources as saying the driver was 'was found to be a part of the Keep America Great rally' and that the group had 'exchanged heated words' with the BLM supporters.
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TommyT200904-#1 Well here we go again. Another trump inspired goon that weaponised his car. At some point Trump should be held to account for his antics.
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deannalw200904-#6 Yay! •••• They better thank their lucky stars it wasn't me driving. I'd do dough-nuts on their asses.

NFBW: Your comment tells me deannalw that you are pro-abortion en masse by motor vehicle if you are driving yours and happened across a Black Lives Matter peaceful protest..?????

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[NotfooledbyW]

westwall221023-#99 westwall “I am anti abortion after 20 weeks. Before that knock yourself out. If you can't figure it out by then have the baby then put it up for adoption.”

NFBW: I agree. Most Republican voters will label you a baby killer if they knew that is your belief. What do you tell ignorant assholes like that?

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[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Look at this stupid, pathetic **** talk to himself endlessly. Just howling into the wind.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

TheDuke230111-#101 The Duke “Name the last truth you knew”

NFBW: here is one of countless truth’s I know that is applicable to this thread:

A fetus is not biologically developed sufficiently to survive outside of the womb prior to 20 weeks after conception.

Isn’t that correct CarsomyrPlusSix ?????

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