Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

[NotfooledbyW]

Wrong. The Baby ,many times ,has a different blood type than the mother. The babys blood is OXYGENATED through the placenta. The BABY has its own blood stream.

NFBW: No. science is more in line with JEWISH BELIEF not CATHOLIC BELIEF

“With the first breaths of air, the lungs start to expand and the ductus arteriosus and the foramen ovale both close. The baby's circulation and blood flow through the heart now function like an adult's. “

Blood Circulation in the Fetus and Newborn​

How does the fetal circulatory system work?​

During pregnancy, the unborn baby (fetus) depends on its mother for nourishment and oxygen. Since the fetus doesn’t breathe air, their blood circulates differently than it does after birth:

• The placenta is the organ that develops and implants in the mother's womb (uterus) during pregnancy. The unborn baby is connected to the placenta by the umbilical cord.
• All the necessary nutrition, oxygen, and life support from the mother’s blood goes through the placenta and to the baby through blood vessels in the umbilical cord.
• Waste products and carbon dioxide from the baby are sent back through the umbilical cord blood vessels and placenta to the mother's circulation to be eliminated.

While still in the uterus, the baby's lungs aren't being used. The baby’s liver isn't fully developed. Circulating blood bypasses the lungs and liver by flowing in different pathways and through special openings called shunts.

Blood flow in the unborn baby follows this pathway:

• Oxygen and nutrients from the mother's blood are transferred across the placenta to the fetus through the umbilical cord.
• This enriched blood flows through the umbilical vein toward the baby’s liver. There it moves through a shunt called the ductus venosus.
• This allows some of the blood to go to the liver. But most of this highly oxygenated blood flows to a large vessel called the inferior vena cava and then into the right atrium of the heart.

Here is what happens inside the fetal heart:

• When oxygenated blood from the mother enters the right side of the heart, it flows into the upper chamber (the right atrium). Most of the blood flows across to the left atrium through a shunt called the foramen ovale.
• From the left atrium, blood moves down into the lower chamber of the heart (the left ventricle). It's then pumped into the first part of the large artery coming from the heart (the ascending aorta).
• From the aorta, the oxygen-rich blood is sent to the brain and to the heart muscle itself. Blood is also sent to the lower body.
• Blood returning to the heart from the fetal body contains carbon dioxide and waste products as it enters the right atrium. It flows down into the right ventricle, where it normally would be sent to the lungs to be oxygenated. Instead, it bypasses the lungs and flows through the ductus arteriosus into the descending aorta, which connects to the umbilical arteries. From there, blood flows back into the placenta. There the carbon dioxide and waste products are released into the mother's circulatory system. Oxygen and nutrients from the mother's blood are transferred across the placenta. Then the cycle starts again.

At birth, major changes take place. The umbilical cord is clamped and the baby no longer receives oxygen and nutrients from the mother. With the first breaths of air, the lungs start to expand and the ductus arteriosus and the foramen ovale both close. The baby's circulation and blood flow through the heart now function like an adult's.

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[NotfooledbyW]

@NotfooledbyW there states unequivocally that human life begins at conception and abortion ends a human life.

See what I did there?

But you agree ding that states have authority to ban abortion. I do not agree that human life begins at conception and abortion ends a human life because it doesn’t and it doesn’t. END2208012338

 

[ding]

NFBW: Coming from someone like ding who has absolutely no respect for the humanity of a living breathing woman who becomes pregnant and does not want to be has no valid opinion on the subject. Can you explain ding why you think it’s necessary to turn a woman’s uterus over to state majority rule and the whims of Christian biased lawmakers in red states? END2208011615

The only things you know about my beliefs are life begins after fertilization, SCOTUS ruled their is no constitutional right for abortion and that state and/or federal legislators will now have to do their jobs. Because that the only beliefs I have told you. Everything else has been made up by you. Like you are doing now. You've been swinging at windmills for over 20 pages, Don Quixote.

 

[ding]

But you agree ding that states have authority to ban abortion. I do not agree that human life begins at conception and abortion ends a human life because it doesn’t and it doesn’t. END2208012338

Cool story. You are living in denial. I guess your conscience can't handle the truth.

State authority - absent any federal laws - is specified in the constitution so the constitution and SCOTUS say that states have authority to write whatever laws on abortion they see fit.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

constitution and SCOTUS say that states have authority to write whatever laws on abortion they see fit.

NFBW: You are a liar. The CONSTITUTION does not state, suggest, or imply that states have authority to write laws on abortion. The Constitution as you know is silent on the unborn and abortion. END2208012322

 

[beagle9]

" Individualism In Pursuit Of Virtue "

* Empathy And Law *

Empathy for sentience with equal protection of negative liberties for those which have been born is a basis for abating slavery .

Complying with the principles of individualism for self ownership and self determination is a basis for abating slavery , where self ownership cannot be exchanged to cover a debt incurred by self determination , where self ownership includes free roam , free association and progeny , where self determination includes private property and willful intents by contract made valid through informed consent .

A fetus is not sentient until some point in development , the point after which 98% of elective abortions without justification are complete , while the remaining abortions with justification are for fetal abnormalities or health risks to the mother , whereby anesthesia is already issued to mitigate suffering .

A fetus has not met a birth requirement for equal protection with a citizen .

Individuals are accountable for self ownership to include when and whether to pass on their genetic identity , and individuals are not accountable to whims of states whose interests are limited to protecting the negative liberties between individuals which are entitled to equal protection .

So let's say the mother is the unborn babies master, and the baby is her slave that depends on her to live, develope, and reach her birth canal, but then she decides to just have her baby killed because it's her "property" where as she ignores it's humanity just like a slave owner did when justifying slavery and it's inhumane treatment of human beings as a mindset put in place by those who groomed and fueled such a mindset as if it was right when it was proven to be so wrong...... Now should the citizen's not cry out over the death's of the innocent due to the reckless behavior's of it's master's, and should rules be put in place to curb such out of control destruction of human beings that are innocently developing in the womb, otherwise while their master's/mother's plot their destruction because they were taught that it is ok to just go down to kill your baby if you just choose too ?

Civilized societies have rules and systems in place in order to foster and promote life, not instead to just kill it.

 

[beagle9]

NFBW: You are a liar. The CONSTITUTION does not state, suggest, or imply that states have authority to write laws on abortion. The Constitution as you know is silent on the unborn and abortion. END2208012322

Doesn't have to say it literally, but it can be applied to anything the citizen's want to apply it's word's too in jest there of.

It's just a tool like an adjustable wrench, otherwise it can be adjusted to fit when necessary.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

ricechickie's argument acknowledges the seriousness of abortion; ending a human life.

NFBW; If abortion is ending a human life - abortion is murder is it not?

Why this then?

The sponsor of a bill that would have subjected Louisiana women to murder charges for having abortions abruptly pulled the proposal from debate Thursday night after House members voted 65-26 to totally revamp the legislation, eliminating the criminal penalties.

No more murder charge for women in Louisiana abortion bill

The sponsor of a bill abruptly pulled the proposal from debate Thursday night after House members voted 65-26 to totally revamp the legislation, eliminating the criminal penalties.

nypost.com

The controversial bill would have ventured farther against abortion than lawmakers’ efforts in any other state. It would have made women who end their pregnancies subject to criminal homicide prosecutions. END2208020050

 

[NotfooledbyW]

states have authority to write whatever laws on abortion they see fit.

NFBW: when you say abortion is ending a human life at every stage from conception to live birth, states would not need new laws. Homicide is already on the books. What needs to be voted on? END2208020108

 

[NotfooledbyW]

NFBW2208020705 Does GOD prefer to experience the material world “he” created through pro-life mostly white American Protestant Christian’s and pro-life mostly white American Catholics such as our very own ding ?????

ding200226-#42 “I believe he created the material world to experience the material world through us. What other reason could there be?”

ding220719-#3,666 “DNA is evidence of a new person”

NFBW: Have you logically concluded ding that DNA and all the newPerson’s being attached to uterine walls is part of the material world that God created? END2208020705

 

[ding]

NFBW: You are a liar. The CONSTITUTION does not state, suggest, or imply that states have authority to write laws on abortion. The Constitution as you know is silent on the unborn and abortion. END2208012322

10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

U.S. Constitution - Tenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

 

[ding]

NFBW; If abortion is ending a human life - abortion is murder is it not?

Why this then?

The sponsor of a bill that would have subjected Louisiana women to murder charges for having abortions abruptly pulled the proposal from debate Thursday night after House members voted 65-26 to totally revamp the legislation, eliminating the criminal penalties.

No more murder charge for women in Louisiana abortion bill

The sponsor of a bill abruptly pulled the proposal from debate Thursday night after House members voted 65-26 to totally revamp the legislation, eliminating the criminal penalties.

nypost.com

The controversial bill would have ventured farther against abortion than lawmakers’ efforts in any other state. It would have made women who end their pregnancies subject to criminal homicide prosecutions. END2208020050

It could be in some states. We'll just have to wait and see what the states do.

 

[ding]

NFBW: when you say abortion is ending a human life at every stage from conception to live birth, states would not need new laws. Homicide is already on the books. What needs to be voted on? END2208020108

Abortion laws. It's up to the states to decide the laws they will write.

 

[ding]

NFBW: Have you logically concluded @ding that DNA and all the newPerson’s being attached to uterine walls is part of the material world that God created? END2208020705

Sure. But there's another possible reason. We are sharing in his existence. Of course there's free will to consider.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Are pregnant women “people”? , …. to use the 10th Amendment as an excuse to deprive someone of control over a part of their own body is a misapplication of Constitutional principles. END2208020809

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Are pregnant women “people”? , …. to use the 10th Amendment as an excuse to deprive someone of control over a part of their own body is a misapplication of Constitutional principles. END2208020809

Your kid's body is not your body.

You are not "deprived control over your own body" when you are not allowed to attack and kill someone else.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Fangoria Goofs "

* Aborting Dead On Arrival *

So it is OK to murder ond an hour before Labor? GHOUL.

Your delusions that some psychopath wanting to kill their own healthy offspring just for the hell of it make you a ghoul .

Roe v Wade substituted viability in lieu of a live birth requirement for equal protection and ruled that state interest could begin in 3rd trimester and could proscribed abortion from that point onward .

The sanctimonious psychopaths who adhere to an egocentric myopia of anthropocentric delusion that hue mammon life is to be religiously dictated from conception were also too deceitful to understand Roe v Wade and they insidiously usurped us constitution as traitors with a scotus that has committed sedition .

 

[NotfooledbyW]

NFBW2208020859

CarsomyrPlusSix220802-#4,156 “Your kid's body is not your body. You are not "deprived control over your own body" when you are not allowed to attack and kill someone else.”

NFBW: I have fathered two kids, a third by marriage. They are all adult women now, but still my kids. Not a one of them had or have someone else’s oxygenated blood coursing it’s way throughout their circulatory systems now or when they were little kids.

How can terminating a pregnancy ding and be “killing someone else” when the part of the woman’s body being terminated has the woman’s blood keeping circulating through it? The fetus cannot be someone else until it is capable of oxygenating its own blood as born humans do.

are you CarsomyrPlusSix a Christian of any sort? END2208020859

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Not a one of them had or have someone else’s oxygenated blood coursing it’s way throughout their circulatory systems now or when they were little kids.

No, they didn't, including when they were little kids in the womb. They had their own blood coursing through their own circulatory systems.

The fetus cannot be someone else until it is capable of oxygenating its own blood as born humans do.

Arbitrary, and incorrect. Parents need to provide for their sons and daughters.

are you CarsomyrPlusSix a Christian of any sort? END2208020859

Irrelevant, but no.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No, they didn't, including when they were little kids in the womb. They had their own blood coursing through their own circulatory system

NFBW: what preborn fetal cells and tissue do you know that oxygenates it’s own blood? END2308020906