Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

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Because under the ROE ruling it doesn’t end the life of a human being - that is absurd.

It ends the life of a human created by GOD That he hopes to have a personal relationship with according to Catholic doctrine - I’m not Catholic- are you.

In the real world abortion is literally intended to terminate a pregnancy, prevent birth and terminate a human life. Your denial of this is your admission that you know abortion is wrong. Apparently you believe that if abortion did end a human life that you wouldn't support abortion. Why else would you keep denying the obvious. Mothers don't cry after abortions because they had some tissue removed.

 

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No, they don't. That's because it's absurd.

Ummmm... yes, every single embryology textbook ever published does teach that a new genetically distinct human being comes into existence after fertilization.

See?

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

“Although it is customary to divide human development into prenatal and postnatal periods, it is important to realize that birth is merely a dramatic event during development resulting in a change in environment.”

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology fifth edition, Moore and Persaud, 1993, Saunders Company, page 1

“It should always be remembered that many organs are still not completely developed by full-term and birth should be regarded only as an incident in the whole developmental process.”

F Beck Human Embryology, Blackwell Scientific Publications, 1985 page vi

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

“Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.”

Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012)

“[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”

Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.

“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization… is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.”

Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Miller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.”

Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”
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James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“In fusing together, the male and female gametes produce a fertilized single cell, the zygote, which is the start of a new individual.”

Rand McNally, Atlas of the Body (New York: Rand McNally, 1980) 139, 144

“The formation, maturation and meeting of a male and female sex cell are all preliminary to their actual union into a combined cell, or zygote, which definitely marks the beginning of a new individual. The penetration of the ovum by the spermatozoon, and the coming together and pooling of their respective nuclei, constitutes the process of fertilization.”

Leslie Brainerd Arey, “Developmental Anatomy” seventh edition space (Philadelphia: Saunders, 1974), 55

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

“A zygote (a single fertilized egg cell) represents the onset of pregnancy and the genesis of new life.”

Turner, J.S., and Helms, D.B., Lifespan Developmental, 2nd ed., CBS College Publishing (Holt, Rhinehart, Winston), 1983, page 53

“Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)… The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.”

Carlson, Bruce M. Patten’s Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3

“Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism…. At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun…. The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life.”

Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand’s Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, [at conception] the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974

“The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote.”

Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Human Embryology, 3rd ed. Bradley M. Patten, (New York: McGraw Hill, 1968), 43.

“In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. … Fertilization takes place in the oviduct … resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point… This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development.”

Essentials of Human Embryology, William J. Larsen, (New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998), 1-17.

“Fertilization is an important landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed… Fertilization is the procession of events that begins when a spermatozoon makes contact with a secondary oocyte or its investments… The zygote … is a unicellular embryo..”

Human Embryology & Teratology, Ronan R. O’Rahilly, Fabiola Muller, (New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996), 5-55.

“[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Because it's not a religious debate. It's a debate upon when a new genetically distinct human being comes into existence and when rights convey to new genetically distinct human beings.

The DNA of a living human zygote leaves a zygote scientifically being a living human zygote. DNA evidence does not create a human being. Your science changes nothing since I learned that life begin at conception over half a century ago. I married my girlfriend and mother and ended up raising two perfect women who have given us grand kids and a couple of great grandkids..


I have no religion - what about you.

 

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The DNA of a living human zygote leaves a zygote scientifically being a living human zygote. DNA evidence does not create a human being. Your science changes nothing since I learned that life begin at conception over half a century ago. I married my girlfriend and mother and ended up raising two perfect women who have given us grand kids and a couple of great grandkids..


I have no religion - what about you.

I’m not sure you meant exactly what you wrote.

 

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The same can be said about a sperm cell, showing just how stupid your claim is.

Got anything other than your endless repetitions of "BECAUSE I SAY SO!". Of course not. It's all any pro-lifer has ever had. It defies biology, logic and history, yet they still cling to it.

Sperm and unfertilized eggs are not new genetically distinct human beings, dummy. So, no. The same cannot be said about a sperm cell.

 

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The DNA of a living human zygote leaves a zygote scientifically being a living human zygote. DNA evidence does not create a human being. Your science changes nothing since I learned that life begin at conception over half a century ago. I married my girlfriend and mother and ended up raising two perfect women who have given us grand kids and a couple of great grandkids..


I have no religion - what about you.

DNA is evidence of a new person. Does it disturb you that abortion terminates a human life?

My religion is truth.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

n the real world abortion is literally intended to terminate a pregnancy, prevent birth and terminate a human life

I’m not sure you meant exactly what you wrote

I didn’t write girlfriend and her mother If that is what concerns you.

My girlfriend was an expectant mother when we got married. She still is a mother. Learn to read

 

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I didn’t write girlfriend and her mother If that is what concerns you.

My girlfriend was an expectant mother when we got married. She still is a mother. Learn to read

You wrote what you wrote. And I know, because I quoted it verbatim.

Learn to write correctly.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Why do you keep citing these ding as if there define a a livin human zygote as a living human being

zygote is the beginning of a new human being.

This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning

the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

 

[NotfooledbyW]

You wrote what you wrote. And I know, because I quoted it verbatim.

What wrong with it then?

 

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Why do you keep citing these ding as if there define a a livin human zygote as a living human being

zygote is the beginning of a new human being.

This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning

the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

You would be much better off stating that abortion ends a human life and you still support a woman's right to choose an abortion than you would making such a blatantly dishonest argument that abortion isn't ending a human life. As much as you wish it weren't alive and human, that's exactly what it is and that's exactly how science has categorized it. All you are really admitting by making such a dishonest argument is that if abortion did end a human life it would be wrong and illegal. You are literally shooting yourself in the foot. It's a mistake but it's your mistake to make.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

DNA is evidence of a new person.

But it’s not a new person when terminated under ROE - Your scientists all say it’s a beginning … not a result.

 

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What wrong with it then?

It’s illiterate or at least ungrammatical and unclear. Read literally, it says that you married both your girlfriend and your mother. (That would be bigamy and possibly incestuous.)

I had assumed you intended to say “and mother [of your child or children].”

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I’m not sure you meant exactly what you wrote.

I married my girlfriend and mother and ended up raising two perfect women who have given us grand kids and a couple of great grandkids..

if you read it literally that I married two different people one being my mother and they gave us grandkids then my mother would be having great great great grandkids

Bottom LINE You are an AHOLE

 

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I married my girlfriend and mother and ended up raising two perfect women who have given us grand kids and a couple of great grandkids..

if you read it literally that I married two different people one being my mother and they gave us grandkids then my mother would be having great great great grandkids

Bottom LINE You are an AHOLE

No. The bottom line is that you are ungrammatical and have no sense of humor.

But your defense of your poor writing skills is funny.

Oh and you’ve always been an asshole.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

You would be much better off stating that abortion ends a human life

Then I would be lying. I don’t lie. it ends the continued development of cells that could become a human life at some point.

 

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But it’s not a new person when terminated under ROE - Your scientists all say it’s a beginning … not a result.

Legal rulings don't alter the physical world. DNA says it is a new person. The scientifically defined characteristics of living things says it's alive. Abortion by design is intended to end that life. These are the facts. If your sensibility is offended to end a human life you shouldn't support abortion at all because that's exactly what abortion does. It ends a human life.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Oh and you’ve always been an asshole.

You are a liar. Always = “at all times”
you have not seen and heard everything I’ve done my entire live so you cannot say that. We’ve established you are a liar.

Grammar wise you should have said “from what I’ve seen@ you are an asshole. - So from what I’ve seen you are a lying assailed.

 

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Then I would be lying. I don’t lie. it ends the continued development of cells that could become a human life at some point.

Hitler denied the humanness of Jews and slave owners denied the humanness of slaves. Why? Because it's easier to kill them if they aren't perceived to be human. This is your problem. If you acknowledge the humanness of life in the womb then it's harder for you to support killing them.

 

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Then I would be lying.

The only honest argument for abortion is to acknowledge that abortion ends a human life but that the rights of the mother outweighs the rights of the child. That's an honest argument. The argument you are making is dishonest.