Roe overturned

[Stann]

When I was a kid I had large copies of The Declaration, The Constitution, and The Gettysburg Address on the walls in my room.

Yeah, I was a strange kid.

From the time I was 12 years old whenever I visit a place, I redesign it in my mind. I came up with some real wild ideas. I was a strange kid too. And that's when I started having outer body experiences too, I got a lot of my ideas from things I'd seen in the past present and future. I might have been one of the strangest kids ever.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Modern liberals don't see the country the way its creators did.

Watch and learn

 

[Stann]

Modern liberals don't see the country the way its creators did.

Watch and learn

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That's why we need a national vote on abortion, we have two extremes fighting over it for decades, it senseless. The majority of people support the woman's right to choose. There should be no laws on abortion and no need for the courts to interfere either.

 

[Cougarbear]

Then the new biased supreme Court ruling didn't mean anything either. Good I'm glad to know if Federal control is back and there's one standard for the United States.

Once again, your are confused. You tried to use a method of logic that is illogical, If A, then B; If B, then A is FALSE logic. Let me try again. The SCOTUS in 1973 created a new law in which they are not allowed to do. That's Congress's job. The word abortion nor any of it's tenants are not in the Bill of Rights. Even Ruth Ginsberg saw the error and new it would eventually be overturned. But, she didn't have the guts to do it. This was always a States Right's Issue and had two hundred years of precedence. What today's SCOTUS did was unravel the law that the 1973 court was not allowed to do and gave this back to the States who have the rights to do so. Women's rights has nothing to do with this nor the original 1973 debacle. Back then, it was about the rights of the physicians and not get in trouble for doing abortions when necessary. Like Bill Clinton said, abortion should be used sparingly.
Today, it's not 1973 medicine and science that we have. It's 2022 and the medicines and science and transportation abilities will work just fine for you baby killers to still kill millions of babies. Heck, 60% of abortions are done by taking a pill. I'm sure you'll figure out how to get the pills to women so they can kill their babies. Boy, Pharaoh of Egypt and Herod should be happy seeing the deaths of all the children. Your childish fits of rage are getting old. Move to Russia where they love to eliminate people that they believe won't help society.

 

[miketx]

James Madison's opinions might be interesting

lol, the guy "opinions" are what the constitution is based on.

 

[Cougarbear]

I've read that before and just did again. It is meaningless. Ruled constitutional is not the same thing as actually constitutional. The United States Constitution forbids it and neither the California Supreme Court nor UCLA socialist law professors can change the US Constitution. Democracy is not compatible with a republican form of government and their claim that democracy enhances the republican form of government is a lie.

That's your opinion. You are wrong in your belief as it's clear in the Constitution that elections of those who represent the people is democracy and part of a Constitutional Republic. Not Republican. Propositions in California can be squashed by the legislature and the California Supreme Court. So, you are being too narrow in your opinion, in my opinion.

 

[Stann]

Once again, your are confused. You tried to use a method of logic that is illogical, If A, then B; If B, then A is FALSE logic. Let me try again. The SCOTUS in 1973 created a new law in which they are not allowed to do. That's Congress's job. The word abortion nor any of it's tenants are not in the Bill of Rights. Even Ruth Ginsberg saw the error and new it would eventually be overturned. But, she didn't have the guts to do it. This was always a States Right's Issue and had two hundred years of precedence. What today's SCOTUS did was unravel the law that the 1973 court was not allowed to do and gave this back to the States who have the rights to do so. Women's rights has nothing to do with this nor the original 1973 debacle. Back then, it was about the rights of the physicians and not get in trouble for doing abortions when necessary. Like Bill Clinton said, abortion should be used sparingly.
Today, it's not 1973 medicine and science that we have. It's 2022 and the medicines and science and transportation abilities will work just fine for you baby killers to still kill millions of babies. Heck, 60% of abortions are done by taking a pill. I'm sure you'll figure out how to get the pills to women so they can kill their babies. Boy, Pharaoh of Egypt and Herod should be happy seeing the deaths of all the children. Your childish fits of rage are getting old. Move to Russia where they love to eliminate people that they believe won't help society.

All I remember about it was the states were making up such egregious abortion laws that women were killing themselves left and right so the federal government stepped in and ended all that. It was because of the failure of the states that the federal government stepped in. And now they're making abortion laws that are even more egregious. It makes no sense it's the federal government's going to have to step in all over again. States can't treat their citizens like this.

 

[Stann]

All I remember about it was the states were making up such egregious abortion laws that women were killing themselves left and right so the federal government stepped in and ended all that. It was because of the failure of the states that the federal government stepped in. And now they're making abortion laws that are even more egregious. It makes no sense it's the federal government's going to have to step in all over again. States can't treat their citizens like this.

One nation under GOD, and the only god they could agree on was the natural God because the states were always bickering with one another over their religious differences.

 

[Cougarbear]

All I remember about it was the states were making up such egregious abortion laws that women were killing themselves left and right so the federal government stepped in and ended all that. It was because of the failure of the states that the federal government stepped in. And now they're making abortion laws that are even more egregious. It makes no sense it's the federal government's going to have to step in all over again. States can't treat their citizens like this.

And, there is your mistake. The part of the "Federal Government" that stepped in did not have the authority under the Constitution to do so. That should have been done by each state. No one said the country and Constitution were and are perfect. Just the best in the world and that's why we have been the best country for liberty and freedom for the world. Again, with the many changes in technology and science, you won't see the deaths you were talking about.
We have scoured the Seattle Times and other newspapers and have found thirteen reported fatalities between 1945 and 1969. - When Abortion was Illegal (and Deadly): Seattle's Maternal Death Toll - Seattle Civil Rights and Labor History Project
They also said that there were more but that's the problem, you can't say women were killing themselves left and right. You don't hae the proof. There were women who died. There are women today who die while giving birth. Should women stop having babies altogether because of your insane beliefs? Seems like that's what you are advocating for.

 

[Stann]

And, there is your mistake. The part of the "Federal Government" that stepped in did not have the authority under the Constitution to do so. That should have been done by each state. No one said the country and Constitution were and are perfect. Just the best in the world and that's why we have been the best country for liberty and freedom for the world. Again, with the many changes in technology and science, you won't see the deaths you were talking about.
We have scoured the Seattle Times and other newspapers and have found thirteen reported fatalities between 1945 and 1969. - When Abortion was Illegal (and Deadly): Seattle's Maternal Death Toll - Seattle Civil Rights and Labor History Project
They also said that there were more but that's the problem, you can't say women were killing themselves left and right. You don't hae the proof. There were women who died. There are women today who die while giving birth. Should women stop having babies altogether because of your insane beliefs? Seems like that's what you are advocating for.

When's Southern States refused to segregate and were abusing blacks the federal government stepped in this is no different. States are now abusing women in the worst possible way basically making them slaves, not just second class citizens and slaves. The federal government can and must stop this insanity.

 

[eagle1462010]

When's Southern States refused to segregate and were abusing blacks the federal government stepped in this is no different. States are now abusing women in the worst possible way basically making them slaves, not just second class citizens and slaves. The federal government can and must stop this insanity.

 

[BlindBoo]

That's why we need a national vote on abortion, we have two extremes fighting over it for decades, it senseless. The majority of people support the woman's right to choose. There should be no laws on abortion and no need for the courts to interfere either.

There is no such thing as a national vote in the USA.

 

[Stann]

There is no such thing as a national vote in the USA.

Okay national referendum whatever you want to call it.

 

[Stann]

Okay national referendum whatever you want to call it.

That would be we the people and our one nation.

 

[beagle9]

I have gay friends and relatives, some in same sex marriages and relationships. I love and respect all of them, and if you are gay it matters not to me. No one on the 6 side of the SC decision on Roe said anything about taking it to other issues. If one or more of them tried it would fail.

I have been trying to understand why abortion is the number one issue with the dems and libs, I think you explained it. you are scared that it will be taken to other settled issues like gay marriage. You are wrong, but I understand your fear.

As I said earlier, society as a whole decides these issues, either by vote or actions. But we could live in China or North Korea where one person dictates how the rest must live. Be happy that we are free to debate these things without fear of prison or death.

With any freedom's or granted rights outside of the constitution given, then of course you do know that if those freedom's or rights begin to morph into something that begins to deteriorate the nation's cultural harmonies, societal norms, communities, moral's and agreed upon standard's, then a revisiting of those specific rights granted is always a potential if the people can't handle what they've been granted outside of the constitution in a trial so to speak or they intentionally abuse the rights granted, otherwise by using them to abuse other's in which was not suppose to happen...

So if the people begin to abuse those rights granted, and especially in order to abuse and destroy their fellow citizens with them, then a revisiting of those rights will be looked at in order to limit the abuse and destructiveness after what was granted begins to be used in order to abuse other's with.

It's up to the people to do all things decent and in order, and in moderation... It best to regulate themselves before other's are forced to regulate their actions for them. Don't you agree ??

 

[Unkotare]

When's Southern States refused to segregate and were abusing blacks the federal government stepped in this is no different. States are now abusing women in the worst possible way basically making them slaves, not just second class citizens and slaves. The federal government can and must stop this insanity.

???????

 

[beagle9]

Hopefully back to legal abortions

Abortions haven't been made illegal, now in some state's they might be made illegal, but not in all states.

 

[Stann]

???????

If the other side can call a fetus an unborn child to try to engage an irresponsible emotional response to abortion. Then you can expect this type of response from the other side when states are talking about putting prisoner leg monitors on women that are pregnant to keep track of them make sure they're not going out of state to have an abortion. That's total insanity.

 

[Stann]

If the other side can call a fetus an unborn child to try to engage an irresponsible emotional response to abortion. Then you can expect this type of response from the other side when states are talking about putting prisoner leg monitors on women that are pregnant to keep track of them make sure they're not going out of state to have an abortion. That's total insanity.

There are only two differences between that scenario and slavery. The shackles slaves war were made of metal, today's ate electronic and largely plastic. Slaves were physically and mentally abused, women today are just being mentally abused by the states that have introduced these barbaric punitive measures against women.

 

[Unkotare]

If the other side can call a fetus an unborn child ....

Because that is TRUE.