Right wingers: Would you support repealing all laws requiring business permits???

[Stephanie]

Ok. So....I suppose the overall answer from right wingers is: Yes, you SHOULD have to ask for permission from big daddy government before you are allowed to open a business.

Afterall, right wingers are all for being pro-business, small government, freedom, etc, etc........just as long as they can regulate what their locals are allowed to do with their business and bedroom.

good grief, you got all that from a few answers..
FAIL

 

[uscitizen]

Yep I would like to open a swine farm next door to you.

Or a strip joint next to your church?

That kind of thing is handled with zoning laws, moron.

Zoning laws are regulation. What about the topic don't you get?

Yep they require permits.

 

[bucs90]

Yes we should repeal all laws and just allow business owners to take peoples' money at gun point you know like the fucking government does

Well, thats basically how it works in Mexico and Afghanistan. Whatever group of private citizens (cartels, tribes) that has the most money and guns basically runs shit. Thats why the US and the rest of civilized Earth has tried to get stable, strong governments in place there. You know...to restore order. (Guess "re" store isn't appropriate as it was never there to begin with).

ROFL! You obviously know nothing about countries like Mexico. Starting a business down South is several orders of magnitude more difficult than it is in the U.S. It has nothing to do with laizzes faire. Furthermore, once you establish your business, a long line of petty government officials will be at your door with their hands out.

This is liberalism in action. Just consider the loans Obama gave out to his campaign donors like the Solyndra fiasco. It's what you endorse, not what libertarians endorse.

Thats if you decide to follow the law in Mexico. If you just ignore it....then whatever. Become friends with a cartel member, funnel him some cash, and those "petty govt officials" never show up, or worse, never show BACK up. Its chaotic down there. And yes, the govt and police corruption are so bad, it's hard to describe. Kinda makes our little system seem pretty darn efficient....surprisingly.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Michelangelo never had a permit or license

Seems like Capernicus needed one from the church though....

And are you absolutely sure Michelangelo did not have a permit from the church?

well im sure he just did not walk into the Sistine Chapel and start painting.....im sure Father Sarduci blessed him and had him say 5 Our Fathers and then let him proceed.....

 

[bucs90]

Zoning laws only tell you where you can locate your business. Licensing laws tell you whether you can run your business at all.

Of course. We all know that, I think. But should the govt be able to do either?

If you knew that then why did you attempt to equate the two?

In my opinion, they should both be abolished.

Because they do the same mission: try to regulate business and residential areas to a civil, efficient manner.

For example, having a gay porn theater open up next to your kids elementary school would be bad. So would opening a gun range behind your yard. Or a drive-through liquor store with beer in vending machines next to a high school and hotel.

Its not always easy to "If you dont like it just move". A civil, efficient society requires some governance.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Seems like Capernicus needed one from the church though....

And are you absolutely sure Michelangelo did not have a permit from the church?

He had permission from the Pope, but Michelangelo had no professional painters license

How do we know this?

Doctor Who said he knew Michael.....and he did not have a License.....

 

[copsnrobbers]

Liberal states have outlawed children from sidewalk lemonade stands.. It's sickening.
The EPA has grown into a money business.. They could give a shit about anything else.
Billions every year.. That's for starters.
Reasonable controls are a must. It's local, state and Federal governments obligation to create a strong economic environment not destroy it as they have so well. It's costing us dearly every day.
Government and quasi Government has become a detriment.

 

[uscitizen]

Well, thats basically how it works in Mexico and Afghanistan. Whatever group of private citizens (cartels, tribes) that has the most money and guns basically runs shit. Thats why the US and the rest of civilized Earth has tried to get stable, strong governments in place there. You know...to restore order. (Guess "re" store isn't appropriate as it was never there to begin with).

ROFL! You obviously know nothing about countries like Mexico. Starting a business down South is several orders of magnitude more difficult than it is in the U.S. It has nothing to do with laizzes faire. Furthermore, once you establish your business, a long line of petty government officials will be at your door with their hands out.

This is liberalism in action. Just consider the loans Obama gave out to his campaign donors like the Solyndra fiasco. It's what you endorse, not what libertarians endorse.

Thats if you decide to follow the law in Mexico. If you just ignore it....then whatever. Become friends with a cartel member, funnel him some cash, and those "petty govt officials" never show up, or worse, never show BACK up. Its chaotic down there. And yes, the govt and police corruption are so bad, it's hard to describe. Kinda makes our little system seem pretty darn efficient....surprisingly.

Yep do away with regs and such here and we could have the same thing.

 

[bripat9643]

Well, thats basically how it works in Mexico and Afghanistan. Whatever group of private citizens (cartels, tribes) that has the most money and guns basically runs shit. Thats why the US and the rest of civilized Earth has tried to get stable, strong governments in place there. You know...to restore order. (Guess "re" store isn't appropriate as it was never there to begin with).

ROFL! You obviously know nothing about countries like Mexico. Starting a business down South is several orders of magnitude more difficult than it is in the U.S. It has nothing to do with laizzes faire. Furthermore, once you establish your business, a long line of petty government officials will be at your door with their hands out.

This is liberalism in action. Just consider the loans Obama gave out to his campaign donors like the Solyndra fiasco. It's what you endorse, not what libertarians endorse.

Thats if you decide to follow the law in Mexico. If you just ignore it....then whatever. Become friends with a cartel member, funnel him some cash, and those "petty govt officials" never show up, or worse, never show BACK up. Its chaotic down there. And yes, the govt and police corruption are so bad, it's hard to describe. Kinda makes our little system seem pretty darn efficient....surprisingly.

Becoming a member of organized crime is not an example of how laizzes faire government works. Your example doesn't apply. It's not an example of limited government regulation. If you're trying to justify big government, Mexico isn't a good case study for you because the government in Mexico runs everything.

 

[bripat9643]

Yep do away with regs and such here and we could have the same thing.

Wrong. Mexico has endless government regulations.

 

[SniperFire]

That kind of thing is handled with zoning laws, moron.

Oh..........so right wingers think the GOVERNMENT should be able to tell us, the US citizens, where we can and cant build a home or business? Its OUR LAND, not the government's, right? So if you want to open a private business....say, a shooting range, or gym, in a building on your land.....the government should be able to tell you "NO sir, we have zoned that for residential, not commercial"???

Wow. You right wingers love government all of a sudden

That's actually a libertarian position, not a conservative position. However, for your information, the city of Houston has no zoning laws. You will find that hog farms are not located near residential areas. The main reason being that the land is too expensive. Businesses are generally located on major thoroughfares because those locations are good for business. Residential areas are generally not good areas to locate a business. If a business moved into a residential area and caused the residents a lot of distress, those residents could sue for damages. That's how things are handled under a libertarian scheme. People settle disputes among themselves through the courts. They don't resort to some corrupt government bureaucracy to make decisions for them

LOL. A fucking free-for-all in lieu of basic planning and zoning.

Nothing is 'handled' under a Libertarian scheme, which is why it is foolish mental-masturbation to discuss it in context of running government.

 

[bucs90]

ROFL! You obviously know nothing about countries like Mexico. Starting a business down South is several orders of magnitude more difficult than it is in the U.S. It has nothing to do with laizzes faire. Furthermore, once you establish your business, a long line of petty government officials will be at your door with their hands out.

This is liberalism in action. Just consider the loans Obama gave out to his campaign donors like the Solyndra fiasco. It's what you endorse, not what libertarians endorse.

Thats if you decide to follow the law in Mexico. If you just ignore it....then whatever. Become friends with a cartel member, funnel him some cash, and those "petty govt officials" never show up, or worse, never show BACK up. Its chaotic down there. And yes, the govt and police corruption are so bad, it's hard to describe. Kinda makes our little system seem pretty darn efficient....surprisingly.

Becoming a member of organized crime is not an example of how laizzes faire government works. Your example doesn't apply. It's not an example of limited government regulation. If you're trying to justify big government, Mexico isn't a good case study for you because the government in Mexico runs everything.

HAHA WOW!! I had to read that twice. "The govt in Mexico runs everything".

I have a few drug cartels that may beg to differ.

 

[Mustang]

ROFL! You obviously know nothing about countries like Mexico. Starting a business down South is several orders of magnitude more difficult than it is in the U.S. It has nothing to do with laizzes faire. Furthermore, once you establish your business, a long line of petty government officials will be at your door with their hands out.

This is liberalism in action. Just consider the loans Obama gave out to his campaign donors like the Solyndra fiasco. It's what you endorse, not what libertarians endorse.

Thats if you decide to follow the law in Mexico. If you just ignore it....then whatever. Become friends with a cartel member, funnel him some cash, and those "petty govt officials" never show up, or worse, never show BACK up. Its chaotic down there. And yes, the govt and police corruption are so bad, it's hard to describe. Kinda makes our little system seem pretty darn efficient....surprisingly.

Yep do away with regs and such here and we could have the same thing.

And what's up with all those driving and traffic regulations? People certainly are smart enough to know how to drive in accordance with road and traffic conditions without the gov't butting in to take away or freedoms.

 

[bripat9643]

Of course. We all know that, I think. But should the govt be able to do either?

If you knew that then why did you attempt to equate the two?

In my opinion, they should both be abolished.

Because they do the same mission: try to regulate business and residential areas to a civil, efficient manner.

For example, having a gay porn theater open up next to your kids elementary school would be bad. So would opening a gun range behind your yard. Or a drive-through liquor store with beer in vending machines next to a high school and hotel.

Its not always easy to "If you dont like it just move". A civil, efficient society requires some governance.

I've never heard of a gay porn theater. Most porn theaters have disappeared because the internet has made them obsolete. Furthermore, why would anyone put a theater of any kind in a residential area?

Also, why would a gun range open in a residential neighborhood? Like any other business, gun ranges want to be highly visible to potential customers. That means locating on major thoroughfares. That where gun ranges are typically located. Even if they did open in a residential neighborhood, the locals have little to fear. You can't hear a thing from outside the building, and bullets can't penetrate the walls. I've been in gun ranges that were located right between to busy stores. If shoppers have nothing to fear, then why would anyone in a residential area?

As for the liquor store example, I doubt you'll find any libertarians who think it should be legal to sell alcohol to minors. I've seen many liquor stores located quite near schools. Society hasn't collapsed as a result.

A civil society requires police to prevent criminals from mugging, killing or robbing you, a military to protect you from foreign invaders and a court system.

That's all the government it requires.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yep I would like to open a swine farm next door to you.

Or a strip joint next to your church?

You do understand there is a difference between a business permit and zoning, don't you?

No there isn't. Its the govt telling you what you can open, and where you can open it. Same basket of oranges.

Do you support the govt having that power over the private sector?

Zoning laws tell you what you can do with your land. Permits are what the government use to control your business. While, ultimately, they are bot the government interfering with your choices, they are different choices.

 

[blackhawk]

Pretty simple question here. Almost every city and county has laws requiring you to get a business permit to...well, open and operate a business.

Right wingers: I ask you, being ideologically consistent, would you support your local city or county repealing this law? So anyone could open a business without a business permit??

Surely you would NOT support the idea that in our great country, one must GET THE GOVERNMENTS PERMISSION to simply open a business. Right?

Should our government be THAT powerful? To be able to grant, or withold, permission to simply open a beloved private sector business?

I suspect, if you are ideologically consistent, you'll begin to rally the local governments to repeal all laws requiring a business permit.

Considering I have never heard any Republican suggest that your question is highly moronic and earns the rating of.

 

[SniperFire]

If you knew that then why did you attempt to equate the two?

In my opinion, they should both be abolished.

Because they do the same mission: try to regulate business and residential areas to a civil, efficient manner.

For example, having a gay porn theater open up next to your kids elementary school would be bad. So would opening a gun range behind your yard. Or a drive-through liquor store with beer in vending machines next to a high school and hotel.

Its not always easy to "If you dont like it just move". A civil, efficient society requires some governance.

I've never heard of a gay porn theater. Most porn theaters have disappeared because the internet has made them obsolete. Furthermore, why would anyone put a theater of any kind in a residential area?

Also, why would a gun range open in a residential neighborhood? Like any other business, gun ranges want their high visibility to their customers. That means locating on major thoroughfares. That where gun ranges are typically located. Even if they did open in a residential neighborhood, the locals have little to fear. You can't hear a thing from outside the building, and bullets can't penetrate the walls. I've been in gun ranges that were located right between to busy stores. If shoppers have nothing to fear, then why would anyone in a residential area?

As for the liquor store example, I doubt you'll find any libertarians who think it should be legal to sell alcohol to minors. I've seen many liquor stores located quite near schools. Society hasn't collapsed as a result.

A civil society requires police to prevent criminals from mugging, killing or robbing you, a military to protect you from foreign invaders and a court system.

That's all the government it requires.

I am on a City Planning Commission. We are all quite pro-business and quite conservative. We just denied a mixed use softball training facility in an industrial park building which
had manufacturing in the front. Why? Well, most every city would do the same thing so that little kids don't get run over by commercial vehicles.

Why don't we just let people have at it and do whatever they want? Well, public safety issues aside, the City / individuals would in office would be sued blind for negligence by letting the scenario unfold.


Your brainless narco-Libertarian theory is a pathetic joke in the real world, which is why it is not practiced anywhere on the globe.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Pretty simple question here. Almost every city and county has laws requiring you to get a business permit to...well, open and operate a business.

Right wingers: I ask you, being ideologically consistent, would you support your local city or county repealing this law? So anyone could open a business without a business permit??

Surely you would NOT support the idea that in our great country, one must GET THE GOVERNMENTS PERMISSION to simply open a business. Right?

Should our government be THAT powerful? To be able to grant, or withold, permission to simply open a beloved private sector business?

I suspect, if you are ideologically consistent, you'll begin to rally the local governments to repeal all laws requiring a business permit.

Ever wonder why earthquakes don't kill 300,000 people in America?

but that has nothing to do with opening up a business......thats building construction codes.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Pretty simple question here. Almost every city and county has laws requiring you to get a business permit to...well, open and operate a business.

Right wingers: I ask you, being ideologically consistent, would you support your local city or county repealing this law? So anyone could open a business without a business permit??

Surely you would NOT support the idea that in our great country, one must GET THE GOVERNMENTS PERMISSION to simply open a business. Right?

Should our government be THAT powerful? To be able to grant, or withold, permission to simply open a beloved private sector business?

I suspect, if you are ideologically consistent, you'll begin to rally the local governments to repeal all laws requiring a business permit.

Ever wonder why earthquakes don't kill 300,000 people in America?

Um, because the last big earthquake was in 1905

The Richmond VA earthquake this past summer make my building in NYC rock about 2 inches...had it been a bigger earthquake...

7.3 back in 92 Frank.....that felt pretty dam big to me.....6.7 in 94....that one shook pretty good too....

 

[bucs90]

Because they do the same mission: try to regulate business and residential areas to a civil, efficient manner.

For example, having a gay porn theater open up next to your kids elementary school would be bad. So would opening a gun range behind your yard. Or a drive-through liquor store with beer in vending machines next to a high school and hotel.

Its not always easy to "If you dont like it just move". A civil, efficient society requires some governance.

I've never heard of a gay porn theater. Most porn theaters have disappeared because the internet has made them obsolete. Furthermore, why would anyone put a theater of any kind in a residential area?

Also, why would a gun range open in a residential neighborhood? Like any other business, gun ranges want their high visibility to their customers. That means locating on major thoroughfares. That where gun ranges are typically located. Even if they did open in a residential neighborhood, the locals have little to fear. You can't hear a thing from outside the building, and bullets can't penetrate the walls. I've been in gun ranges that were located right between to busy stores. If shoppers have nothing to fear, then why would anyone in a residential area?

As for the liquor store example, I doubt you'll find any libertarians who think it should be legal to sell alcohol to minors. I've seen many liquor stores located quite near schools. Society hasn't collapsed as a result.

A civil society requires police to prevent criminals from mugging, killing or robbing you, a military to protect you from foreign invaders and a court system.

That's all the government it requires.

I am on a City Planning Commission. We are all quite pro-business and quite conservative. We just denied a mixed use softball training facility in an industrial park building which
had manufacturing in the front. Why? Well, most every city would do the same thing so that little kids don't get run over by commercial vehicles.

Why don't we just let people have at it and do whatever they want? Well, public safety issues aside, the City / individuals would in office would be sued blind for negligence by letting the scenario unfold.


Your brainless narco-Libertarian theory is a pathetic joke in the real world, which is why it is not practiced anywhere on the globe.

Well said. While we've had our differences, we've both seen govt from the inside: You as a planning commission member, me as a police officer. Sometimes, the public doesnt see the "why" of government. They only see what they want to be pissed about. Or, as some have said, the better job a government does, the less it's people think they need them. The bubble of safety and prosperity our people live under has spoiled them a bit, but thats good that our country, states and cities are so great. I just hate when people get so (whats the word)....committed to a belief of being anti-govt that they start advocating getting rid of the parts of government that are truly needed and truly do good for us.

Without city planning folks.....many of our towns would be chaotic. At some point, individuals have to come together in the same room, brainstorm, and figure out how to make it run smoothly. Thats what govt is.