Right-Wing Challenge: Fair Income Tax For The Top 50% vs Bottom 50%

[progressive hunter]

So you want families that qualify for food stamps to pay the same tax rate as Elon Musk?
To generate enough revenue the tax rate would need to be about 25% to 30%.
So take 25% off the income of a minimum wage bread winner? They'd just go on Welfare,

if youre going to make shit up I said its best you keep your dick skinners off the keyboard,,

if you want to ask what I prefer I would happily answer that,,

 

[d0gbreath]

Fair tax, flat tax, no tax, doesn't matter. The country's debts and revenues will always be carried on the backs of the middle class. It's designed that way. Edit: It's going to stay that way too. The first 3 honorable mentions are snowballs in hell. Talked about, but ain't happening.

 

[progressive hunter]

Fair tax, flat tax, no tax, doesn't matter. The country's debts and revenues will always be carried on the backs of the middle class. It's designed that way.

and yet its the wealthy that are paying majority of it,,

 

[jc456]

Your system would have poorer starve to death while still working...

The rich will still find loopholes (they always do)...

The real question is, What kind of society do you want?
Do you want a place where society looks after their weakest and most vulnerable OR where your chance to succeed is better than most if you work hard?

At the moment the US lags behind US in both of those criteria.
A large part US is convinced

• The weakest and most vulnerable are all scammers and cheating the system
• US rewards hard work (it doesn't, is 27th in world in Economic Social Mobility)

Global Social Mobility Index - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

US has been bullshitted by people with money that the best way for you to get rich is to allow the rich to keep more of their money and pay less tax...

keeping dependent poor is to the democrat advantage, so their plans will always be built to put a thumb on poor so they stay dependent. One cannot manufacture enough money. It is logistically undoable.

So the actual democrat plan is to con everyone into giving away all their money to make everyone dependent. Just know that.

 

[jc456]

and yet its the wealthy that are paying majority of it,,

here's the reality of the communisms plan. Playing out in NYC at this very moment.



Here's what the democrats won't tell their base and they still keep voting them into office.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Because the top half has about $200T in wealth and the bottom half almost none.

that supposes that there are good/valid/solid reasons for not treating everyone equally...something most folks suspect is what really lies behind the actions of faux compassionate white liberals who do in fact want to tax the begeezus out of the wealthy folks, collect their money and claim they are headed out to distribute it to the "bottom half" whom they are lucky to have from time immemorial into infinity or they would have to get jobs themselves and help with the tax burden...btw, how much is almost none?

 

[struth]

Here is the challenge and it is based on next year's budget.

You need to raise about $2.4T in personal income taxes just to be $2.0T short of next year's expenses (Trump's plan) in a way that allows people to also live a life.

How do you raise your $2.4T from income taxes between the two halves of earners? Bottom half and top half.

Today we get 98% from the top 50% as it is circled in red on the chart to the right but as you can see they earn almost all the income and certainly 100% of the discretionary income after you put bare bones living expenses against $23k vs 137k.

What is "fair" to you?

I predict a long line of right-wingers suggesting we take $200B from people making $23K still leaving a $1.6T deficit without regard to how one would live. But maybe they will surprise me with some thoughtful reflection on income tax burdens and living with low means.

GO!

Trump 2026 Budget
$7T in Expenses

$2.4T of Income Tax
$1.7T of Payroll Tax
$0.5T of Corporate Tax
$0.5T of Excise and Tariffs
$5.2T of Revenue

$1.8T Deficit


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How does the federal tax system affect low-income households?

taxpolicycenter.org

Cut taxes

Add to the tax base

 

[progressive hunter]

Cut taxes

Add to the tax base

cut taxs and cut spending and allow families to have just one parent working like it should be,,

isnt it interesting that womens suffrage and the femmenazi movement started right after the implementation of the income tax??

its almost like the bankers wanted more people working and paying taxs,,

 

[kyzr]

if youre going to make shit up I said its best you keep your dick skinners off the keyboard,,
if you want to ask what I prefer I would happily answer that,,

Stop whining and prove me wrong.
A flat tax means Musk and billionaires pay the same tax rate as the people on food stamps.

 

[struth]

cut taxs and cut spending and allow families to have just one parent working like it should be,,

isnt it interesting that womens suffrage started right after the implementation of the income tax??

its almost like the bankers wanted more people working and paying taxs,,

If women want to work they can and should SS and entitlements

Cutting spending isn’t gonna do it a lone to get back to that, you’ll have to do away with

 

[progressive hunter]

Stop whining and prove me wrong.
A flat tax means Musk and billionaires pay the same tax rate as the people on food stamps.

fair is fair,,

did you know most if not all people on SNAP dont pay any taxs because they get it all back and in some cases more than they pay in, if they even pay at all,,

I prefer no tax on income and we keep what we earned,,

 

[progressive hunter]

If women want to work they can and should SS and entitlements

Cutting spending isn’t gonna do it a lone to get back to that, you’ll have to do away with

how much do income taxs contribute to total revenue??

 

[kyzr]

and yet its the wealthy that are paying majority of it,,

Because they have about 9x the income of the bottom 50%

 

[progressive hunter]

Because they have about 9x the income of the bottom 50%

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so,,

thaat means they pay 9x the amount of the bottom 50%

 

[kyzr]

fair is fair,, did you know most if not all people on SNAP dont pay any taxes because they get it all back and in some cases more than they pay in, if they even pay at all,, I prefer no tax on income and we keep what we earned,,

SNAP recipients are very poor.

My group to go after is Welfare recipients, the lazy bunch who refuse to work. There needs to be a 2-yr lifetime limit.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Here is the challenge and it is based on next year's budget.

You need to raise about $2.4T in personal income taxes just to be $2.0T short of next year's expenses (Trump's plan) in a way that allows people to also live a life.

How do you raise your $2.4T from income taxes between the two halves of earners? Bottom half and top half.

Today we get 98% from the top 50% as it is circled in red on the chart to the right but as you can see they earn almost all the income and certainly 100% of the discretionary income after you put bare bones living expenses against $23k vs 137k.

What is "fair" to you?

I predict a long line of right-wingers suggesting we take $200B from people making $23K still leaving a $1.6T deficit without regard to how one would live. But maybe they will surprise me with some thoughtful reflection on income tax burdens and living with low means.

GO!

Trump 2026 Budget
$7T in Expenses

$2.4T of Income Tax
$1.7T of Payroll Tax
$0.5T of Corporate Tax
$0.5T of Excise and Tariffs
$5.2T of Revenue

$1.8T Deficit


View attachment 1229675

How does the federal tax system affect low-income households?

taxpolicycenter.org

Here is the challenge and it is based on next year's budget. Ewwwwwwwww, ahhhhhhhhhhh! Responding as I read, though I expect to chicken out of posting my response because left are so smart, and who can compete with that?

You need to raise about $2.4T in personal income taxes just to be $2.0T short of next year's expenses (Trump's plan) in a way that allows people to also live a life. Cool

How do you raise your $2.4T from income taxes between the two halves of earners? Bottom half and top half......Both just a little bit. Is this where we pretend the economey and budget are the same as it was pre-Reagan?

Today we get 98% from the top 50% as it is circled in red on the chart to the right but as you can see they earn almost all the income and certainly 100% of the discretionary income after you put bare bones living expenses against $23k vs 137k. Wow, amazing, they earn most of the income too. This is starting to ring like socialism.

What is "fair" to you? Wow, Socialism, how unpredictable, who could see that coming.

I predict This is called irony.

a long line of right-wingers suggesting we take $200B from people making $23K still leaving a $1.6T deficit without regard to how one would live. Wow, you really got us. Yeah, tax only the bottom 50%. Even better, how about raising taxes on just the brown and black people? Single women too, but only the nice looking ones - beats dating sites, make marriage normal again MNA.

But maybe they will surprise me with some thoughtful reflection on income tax burdens and living with low means. No way we can meet your level. I'm surprised you didn't mention impact on the economy producing less revenue, and how Democrats spend money so freely. What makes you think they're willing to pay down the debt with our money when they can't even agree to cut waste and expenses?

 

[progressive hunter]

SNAP recipients are very poor.
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My group to go after is Welfare recipients, the lazy bunch who refuse to work. There needs to be a 2-yr lifetime limit.

income taxs should be like business taxs,,

only tax whats left after all expenses are paid,,

 

[kyzr]

so,,that means they pay 9x the amount of the bottom 50%

So you want poor workers to pay the same tax rate as Elon Musk and billionaires. Most of us don't think like that.

 

[kyzr]

income taxes should be like business taxes,,
only tax whats left after all expenses are paid,,

I want to eliminate all deductions. Income is income.

 

[progressive hunter]

So you want poor workers to pay the same tax rate as Elon Musk and billionaires. Most of us don't think like that.

as I already said,,

I want people to keep 100% of what they earned,,