Revisiting The Congressional Resolution On Iraq

[Annie]

Pretty hard to claim 'not understanding' as so many of the democrats now are:

http://hnn.us/articles/1282.html

Congressional Resolution on Iraq (Passed by House and Senate October 2002)

Joint Resolution to Authorize the use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.

Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in `material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations' and urged the President `to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations' (Public Law 105-235);

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material an unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

Whereas members of al-Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688, and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949;

Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President `to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677';

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),' that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and `constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,' and that Congress, `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688';

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to `work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge' posed by Iraq and to `work for the necessary resolutions,' while also making clear that `the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable';

Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, Folks, this wasn't written by the administration!

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq'.

SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.

The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to

(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions applicable to Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and

(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

(c) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS-

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS.

(a) The President shall, at least once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the exercise of authority granted in section 3 and the status of planning for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are completed, including those actions described in section 7 of Public Law 105-338 (the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998).

(b) To the extent that the submission of any report described in subsection (a) coincides with the submission of any other report on matters relevant to this joint resolution otherwise required to be submitted to Congress pursuant to the reporting requirements of Public Law 93-148 (the Wap Xnwers Resolution), all such reports may be submitted as a single consolidated report to the Congress.

(c) To the extent that the information required by section 3 of Public Law 102-1 is included in the report required by this section, such report shall be considered as meeting the requirements of section 3 of Public Law 102-1.

 

[dilloduck]

Pretty hard to claim 'not understanding' as so many of the democrats now are:

http://hnn.us/articles/1282.html

They didn't know they had to actually read the whole thing. That moron Bush tricked them into voting for it.:blah2: :blah2: :blah2:

 

[trobinett]

They didn't know they had to actually read the whole thing. That moron Bush tricked them into voting for it.:blah2: :blah2: :blah2:

:clap1: :read: :duh3:

 

[Bullypulpit]

Now, if you'll read the UN resolutions regarding Iraq, none give the US authority to engage in military action outside the framework of the UN. And let's not forget the "...the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy..." rather than the policy to the facts and intel as is proper.

And we have the report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence with its report on the pre-war intel, which bears out the fact that Chimpy and Co overstated Iraq's military and WMD capacity and fabricated a relationship between Sadam Hussein and Osama bin Laden out of whole cloth. The emperor's new clothes are rapidly being revealed for the empty fabrications they truly are.

 

[dilloduck]

Now, if you'll read the UN resolutions regarding Iraq, none give the US authority to engage in military action outside the framework of the UN. And let's not forget the "...the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy..." rather than the policy to the facts and intel as is proper.

And we have the report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence with its report on the pre-war intel, which bears out the fact that Chimpy and Co overstated Iraq's military and WMD capacity and fabricated a relationship between Sadam Hussein and Osama bin Laden out of whole cloth. The emperor's new clothes are rapidly being revealed for the empty fabrications they truly are.

No one gives a rats ass ,bully. So what? You wanna impeach him? Go ahead!

 

[Annie]

Now, if you'll read the UN resolutions regarding Iraq, none give the US authority to engage in military action outside the framework of the UN. And let's not forget the "...the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy..." rather than the policy to the facts and intel as is proper.

And we have the report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence with its report on the pre-war intel, which bears out the fact that Chimpy and Co overstated Iraq's military and WMD capacity and fabricated a relationship between Sadam Hussein and Osama bin Laden out of whole cloth. The emperor's new clothes are rapidly being revealed for the empty fabrications they truly are.

Contrary to some quarters, the US, including the Congress, operate by the authority of the Constitution, with the power being derived from the people.
The people did NOT agree to the UN becoming the higher law.

As posted elsewhere, the Senate Select Committee, ignores information that has been released from the documents found in Iraq and transcibed. Can't have it both ways, Bully; you want truth or you want your truth?

 

[Gunny]

Now, if you'll read the UN resolutions regarding Iraq, none give the US authority to engage in military action outside the framework of the UN. And let's not forget the "...the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy..." rather than the policy to the facts and intel as is proper.

And we have the report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence with its report on the pre-war intel, which bears out the fact that Chimpy and Co overstated Iraq's military and WMD capacity and fabricated a relationship between Sadam Hussein and Osama bin Laden out of whole cloth. The emperor's new clothes are rapidly being revealed for the empty fabrications they truly are.

The US is not beholden to the UN for authority to do anything.

For the fifteenth-billion time, pretty much every nation in the world's intelligence had the same asessment of Iraq's military capability.

If you read what is actually written, the document does not suppose a relationship between Saddam and OBL. Let's review:

Whereas members of al-Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq

That statement is backed by fact.

The emperor's new clothes are rapidly being revealed for the empty fabrications they truly are.

Maybe you better look for a backup outfit.

 

[Abbey Normal]

The US is not beholden to the UN for authority to do anything.

Not yet, anyway. I fear this may become the case if the Dems get back in control.

For the fifteenth-billion time, pretty much every nation in the world's intelligence had the same asessment of Iraq's military capability.
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AMEN, Gunny. I have mentioned this too. The truth is dismissed because it doesn't fit their agenda.

 

[GeeWhiz]

Kathianne, did you start this thread to stir up an orgy of wargasms amongst your kind?

Iraq revisted

Bush Sr and Saddam

August 25, 1988 Iraq gasses Kurds near Turkish border.

October 2, 1989 President Bush Sr signs National Security Directive 26 calling for closer ties to Iraq.

October 31, 1989 Baker call Yueter to urge him to approve additional loan guarantees for Iraq.

January 1990 Investigations discover $3 billion dollars in unauthorized BNL loans to Iraq.

January 17, 1990 Bush Sr waives the embargo placed by Congress on Eximbank credits to Iraq.


Bush SR and Cheney the Back Stabbers

On August 2, 1990 the Iraqi army entered Kuwait. A couple of days earlier, Saddam conferred with April Glaspie, America's Ambassador to Iraq and told her that he was going to enter Kuwait, and she told him that it was all fine by her bosses.

When she came back to the United States her bosses changed their minds, so she changed hers.

Saddam, had secretly taped the conversation he had with April Glaspie, so when she denied that it had ever taken place, Saddam sent a copy of the tape to the NY Times. MS Glaspie was embarrassed but Cheney and Bush Sr carried on like Glaspie tape didn't exist. Saddam and the People of the United States are about to be had.

If Saddam had been buying weapons from U.S. weapons makers, Bush Sr and Cheney would have waved by by to Kuwait. But Saddam didn't have any money, he was in debt, he couldn't purchase U.S made weapons like Israel can, which is to bad because Bush Sr and Cheney's foreign polciy has always been this: to all bad guys we say, killing of any kind is a okay when you buy weapons of mass destruction USA made.

Is it really the need to promote respect for the independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of states that motivated Bush Sr and Cheney to urge this war against Iraq? is that really the reason?

The United States faxed resolution 661 to the members of the United Nations. Resolution 661 amounted to a sanction to be applied to Iraq whether Iraq pulled out of Kuwait or not.

Bush Sr and Cheney never used diplomacy first and force as a last resort. In the first Gulf War, 125,000 troops was being deployed within days after the news about Kuwait was heard around the world.

Bush Sr and Cheney pulled off something that has never been done in the history of the United Nation, which is they bullied Resolution 665 in the United Nation. What 665 means is that for the first time in the history of the United Nations a resolution was adopted that authorizes the use of force to ensure compliance with an embargo, in this case an embargo against Iraq.

What is the violation that Bush Sr and Cheney committed? It stems from the fact that a decision has been made to apply measures that involve the use of force and that this has been done without first establishing that the steps taken so far within the context of Resolution 661 are inadequate and have been proven to be so. This action was taken not by invoking Article 42 of the Charter as is legally required.

Cheney and Bush Sr violation is a deceitful and unlawful reinterpretation of the UN Charter.

What set a lot of people off against Saddam was an emotional pitch by a lady about Iraqi soldiers ripping babies out of incubators and smashing their heads against a wall. After the war it was revealed that this lady was a Kuwait movie actress. The entire scam was put together by an Advertising Agency.

Why does Kuwait exits? Kuwait was part of Iraq's Basra Province until 1899 when Britain redrew its boundaries, divided it from Iraq and declared Kuwait it's colony. That's right folks Kuwait is not even a legitimate country. Like the fact says it was part of Iraq's Basra Province until it was ripped off by the Brits, Why did the Brits rip it off? hint: it's the oil stupid, that's why that movie Syrianna has got all those rightwing screwballs going to the doctors to get the panties out of the a hole.

Both Sr and Cheney went on to make big bucks working for military contractors, which brings the question, "To the People of the United States, why did you ignore Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex?"

Along comes Junior. Cheney has found himself a new bitch, one that has a trigger finger just like Daddy. Just like the first Gulf War, Junior and Cheney lies to the public about Iraq's relationship to 911 and Al. But unlike Gulf War I, Junior and Cheney couldn't get the United Nation to play along with "wargasm anyone?". Not to worry just ignore the United Nation and lie to the people of the United States about Iraq's oldy moldy weapons and take all that money out of the ignorant taxpayers and put it all in the War Profitter's pocket.

America you got clowned twice. You know what that means. Shame on you. It also means don't listen to rightwing revisionist ie Kathianne.

 

[Gunny]

Not yet, anyway. I fear this may become the case if the Dems get back in control.



AMEN, Gunny. I have mentioned this too. The truth is dismissed because it doesn't fit their agenda.

PRIOR TO the invasion of Iraq, and subsequent information, most of the world, to include Clinton and his administration, HAD TO operate on the premise that Saddam posessed and was willing to use WMDs -- he setting that precedent by actually doing so against the Kurds and Iran.

At the time of invasion, more than a few tons of bio and chemical weapons ingredients were and still are unaccounted for.

In 1991, The Iraqi Army was pretty well-equipped with NBC protective gear -- this I saw firsthand. The only person in the region to use chemical weapons was Saddam. If he did not posess them nor intend to use them, what was the gear for?

Saddam led UN Inspectors on wild goose chases for no reason? If he wasn't hiding anything, the point to that would be WHAT? To provke the US into kicking his ass? Makes sense to me.

Saddam encroached into the "No Fly Zones" and fired on US aircraft continually.

Saddam turned as much of the "Oil for Food" money as he could into cash and lived quite the opulent lifestyle while the people of Iraq suffered, and his demonic whelps ran amock terrorizing the populace.

Saddam financially supported Hezbollah. Documented fact.

al Zarqawi had an AQ training camp in Iraq. Documented fact.

Saddam Hussein attempted to have the President of the US assassinated. Documented fact.

A reasonable mind would see the combined offenses as violations of every UN Resolution, and more importantly, the conditions of the cease-fire that kept us from steamrolling his butt in 91.

IMO, he should have been dealt with in 93 when a very functional and new bio weapons lab was discovered. You know, to make that "stuff" he didn't have.

The left's argument is pure garbage, revisionist, and boils down to nothing more than throwing dirt on Bush and/or his administration.

 

[Annie]

LOL! So many non-related things to respond to a Congressional Resolution? You seem to have many problems with our form of government. I notice you address 'America', aren't you American?

 

[Gunny]

Kathianne, did you start this thread to stir up an orgy of wargasms amongst your kind?

Iraq revisted

Bush Sr and Saddam

August 25, 1988 Iraq gasses Kurds near Turkish border.

October 2, 1989 President Bush Sr signs National Security Directive 26 calling for closer ties to Iraq.

October 31, 1989 Baker call Yueter to urge him to approve additional loan guarantees for Iraq.

January 1990 Investigations discover $3 billion dollars in unauthorized BNL loans to Iraq.

January 17, 1990 Bush Sr waives the embargo placed by Congress on Eximbank credits to Iraq.


Bush SR and Cheney the Back Stabbers

On August 2, 1990 the Iraqi army entered Kuwait. A couple of days earlier, Saddam conferred with April Glaspie, America's Ambassador to Iraq and told her that he was going to enter Kuwait, and she told him that it was all fine by her bosses.

When she came back to the United States her bosses changed their minds, so she changed hers.

Saddam, had secretly taped the conversation he had with April Glaspie, so when she denied that it had ever taken place, Saddam sent a copy of the tape to the NY Times. MS Glaspie was embarrassed but Cheney and Bush Sr carried on like Glaspie tape didn't exist. Saddam and the People of the United States are about to be had.

If Saddam had been buying weapons from U.S. weapons makers, Bush Sr and Cheney would have waved by by to Kuwait. But Saddam didn't have any money, he was in debt, he couldn't purchase U.S made weapons like Israel can, which is to bad because Bush Sr and Cheney's foreign polciy has always been this: to all bad guys we say, killing of any kind is a okay when you buy weapons of mass destruction USA made.

Is it really the need to promote respect for the independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of states that motivated Bush Sr and Cheney to urge this war against Iraq? is that really the reason?

The United States faxed resolution 661 to the members of the United Nations. Resolution 661 amounted to a sanction to be applied to Iraq whether Iraq pulled out of Kuwait or not.

Bush Sr and Cheney never used diplomacy first and force as a last resort. In the first Gulf War, 125,000 troops was being deployed within days after the news about Kuwait was heard around the world.

Bush Sr and Cheney pulled off something that has never been done in the history of the United Nation, which is they bullied Resolution 665 in the United Nation. What 665 means is that for the first time in the history of the United Nations a resolution was adopted that authorizes the use of force to ensure compliance with an embargo, in this case an embargo against Iraq.

What is the violation that Bush Sr and Cheney committed? It stems from the fact that a decision has been made to apply measures that involve the use of force and that this has been done without first establishing that the steps taken so far within the context of Resolution 661 are inadequate and have been proven to be so. This action was taken not by invoking Article 42 of the Charter as is legally required.

Cheney and Bush Sr violation is a deceitful and unlawful reinterpretation of the UN Charter.

What set a lot of people off against Saddam was an emotional pitch by a lady about Iraqi soldiers ripping babies out of incubators and smashing their heads against a wall. After the war it was revealed that this lady was a Kuwait movie actress. The entire scam was put together by an Advertising Agency.

Why does Kuwait exits? Kuwait was part of Iraq's Basra Province until 1899 when Britain redrew its boundaries, divided it from Iraq and declared Kuwait it's colony. That's right folks Kuwait is not even a legitimate country. Like the fact says it was part of Iraq's Basra Province until it was ripped off by the Brits, Why did the Brits rip it off? hint: it's the oil stupid, that's why that movie Syrianna has got all those rightwing screwballs going to the doctors to get the panties out of the a hole.

Both Sr and Cheney went on to make big bucks working for military contractors, which brings the question, "To the People of the United States, why did you ignore Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex?"

Along comes Junior. Cheney has found himself a new bitch, one that has a trigger finger just like Daddy. Just like the first Gulf War, Junior and Cheney lies to the public about Iraq's relationship to 911 and Al. But unlike Gulf War I, Junior and Cheney couldn't get the United Nation to play along with "wargasm anyone?". Not to worry just ignore the United Nation and lie to the people of the United States about Iraq's oldy moldy weapons and take all that money out of the ignorant taxpayers and put it all in the War Profitter's pocket.

America you got clowned twice. You know what that means. Shame on you. It also means don't listen to rightwing revisionist ie Kathianne.

No, shame on YOU. You are a liar. We sat over there building up forces from August until Feb, while diplomacy -- repeated demands for Saddam to withdraw -- failed.

As usual, your bullshit allegations are based on nothing more than your hatred for the President, or anything else conservative or Republican.

 

[GeeWhiz]

LOL! So many non-related things to respond to a Congressional Resolution?

You are not all to bright are you Kathianne? the following is from your post:

Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President `to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677'


Notice where it says Resolution 661 and 665? I was giving everyone background about the true nature of those resolutions. Didn't you notice the following statement from my post:

What is the violation that Bush Sr and Cheney committed? It stems from the fact that a decision has been made to apply measures that involve the use of force and that this has been done without first establishing that the steps taken so far within the context of Resolution 661 are inadequate and have been proven to be so. This action was taken not by invoking Article 42 of the Charter as is legally required.

Cheney and Bush Sr violation is a deceitful and unlawful reinterpretation of the UN Charter.

 

[Annie]

You are not all to bright are you Kathianne?

Perhaps not, though far ahead of you in the intelligence, not too mention commonsense departments.

the following is from your post:

Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President `to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677'


Notice where it says Resolution 661 and 665? I was giving everyone background about the true nature of those resolutions. Didn't you notice the following statement from my post:

What is the violation that Bush Sr and Cheney committed? It stems from the fact that a decision has been made to apply measures that involve the use of force and that this has been done without first establishing that the steps taken so far within the context of Resolution 661 are inadequate and have been proven to be so. This action was taken not by invoking Article 42 of the Charter as is legally required.

Cheney and Bush Sr violation is a deceitful and unlawful reinterpretation of the UN Charter.

It appears you became mired down in the whereas's:

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
Whether or not is implied, the UN gets around to it...
(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

(c) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS-

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

 

[Gunny]

You are not all to bright are you Kathianne? the following is from your post:

Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President `to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677'


Notice where it says Resolution 661 and 665? I was giving everyone background about the true nature of those resolutions. Didn't you notice the following statement from my post:

What is the violation that Bush Sr and Cheney committed? It stems from the fact that a decision has been made to apply measures that involve the use of force and that this has been done without first establishing that the steps taken so far within the context of Resolution 661 are inadequate and have been proven to be so. This action was taken not by invoking Article 42 of the Charter as is legally required.

Cheney and Bush Sr violation is a deceitful and unlawful reinterpretation of the UN Charter.

Let me draw you a picture with the big, fat crayons that perhaps your extremely limited intellect can digest:

The US agreed to a ceasefire with Iraq providing Saddam Hussein comply with any and all terms of that ceasefire agreement, and any and all UN Resolutions. Saddam probably violated three of the terms drving home.

A ceasefire is exactly what the word defines -- a cessation of military aggression. It is NOT a peace treaty. A ceasefire puts a war on hold, it does not necessarily end hostilities.

The US reserved the right to unilaterally or as part of a coalition resume hostilities if Saddam breached the terms of the ceasefire and/or UN resolution at any time they chose, and in a manner of their choosing.

There is absolutely NOTHING unlawful about Bush choosing to resume hostilities in face of Saddam's continual, 13 year defiance and noncompliance of the terms of the ceasefire and/or any UN resolutions. In fact, had the UN and/or President Clinton addressed the issue in a timely manner rather than turn a blind eye to it, the issue would have been resloved long before President Bush took office.

In other words, your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on, so if anyone around isn't very bright, it would be the nimrod talking out his ass with no real clue as to what the Hell is going on in the world. Since you're a little slow on the uptake, that would be YOU.

 

[GeeWhiz]

Perhaps not, though far ahead of you in the intelligence, not too mention commonsense departments.

It appears you became mired down in the whereas's:

Kathianne,

661 is an embargo based on Article 41. According to Article 41 it has to be first established that the emargo did not work.

Bush Sr and Cheney never presented a report indicating these measures are inadequate or that the embargo is not being complied with.

Resolution 665, establishes a de facto naval blockade of Iraq. But such measure can only be adopted only on the basis of Article 42 of the Charter, which authorizes the use of force.

Bush Sr and Cheney's decision is not based on Article 42, this not only undermines its validity, but is a violation of the Charter itelf.

661 was voted on in August 2, A mere 25 days passed when Bush Sr and Cheney introduced 665. Again 665 is a violation of Charter 42

 

[GeeWhiz]

No, shame on YOU. You are a liar. We sat over there building up forces from August until Feb, while diplomacy -- repeated demands for Saddam to withdraw -- failed.

As usual, your bullshit allegations are based on nothing more than your hatred for the President, or anything else conservative or Republican.

GunnyL,

July 17-18 1990 Saddam accuses Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates of flooding the international oil market and driving prices down, thus costing Iraq $14 billion in lost oil revenue. He also accuses Kuwait of stealing $2.4 billion in Iraq oil from wells in the Rumalia oil field along the disputed border between the two countries.

Earlier Kuwait rejects Iraqi claims to the island of Bubiyan and Warbah at the head of the Arab Persian Gulf; control of these islands would give Iraq easy access to the sea.

July 25 U.S. ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie meets with Saddam and explains, "We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait...


Cheney and Bush Sr lied by pretending the Glaspie Saddam meeting never took place, because of that to many people died anunnecessary death.

Along comes Junior. Cheney and Junior lied our soldiers died.

 

[Annie]

Kathianne,

661 is an embargo based on Article 41. According to Article 41 it has to be first established that the emargo did not work.

Bush Sr and Cheney never presented a report indicating these measures are inadequate or that the embargo is not being complied with.

Resolution 665, establishes a de facto naval blockade of Iraq. But such measure can only be adopted only on the basis of Article 42 of the Charter, which authorizes the use of force.

Bush Sr and Cheney's decision is not based on Article 42, this not only undermines its validity, but is a violation of the Charter itelf.

Again, the US President/US Congress, will decide for the American people if and when they will invoke the War Powers Act, they must uphold the compact of the people and the government that is implicit in the Constitution. They decide when the resolutions, acts, and the UN Charter itself have run their course.

 

[GeeWhiz]

Again, the US President/US Congress, will decide for the American people if and when they will invoke the War Powers Act, they must uphold the compact of the people and the government that is implicit in the Constitution. They decide when the resolutions, acts, and the UN Charter itself have run their course.

Kathianne,

Junior never asked Congress to declare war, which would have been the proper course according to the Supreme law of our land. It states in clear and concise language that only Congress has the power to declare war.

Junior violated the War Powers Act. In clear and concise language the War Power Act states the that Executive Branch must introduce an exit plan to the Legislative Branch. Junior never did this.

Neither the Legislative Branch or the Executive Branch served the people of the United States, they only served the military industrial complex, a complex Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell address.

As you are trying to claim we can ignore the United Nation, I would like to point out that according to the Supreme Law in our land, ie the United States Constitution, when our nation enters into an agreement, such as with the United Nation, than that aggreement becomes binding on our Nation same as if it were our own law. Junior violated his oath to office and he violated the laws written in the Supreme Law of our Land

 

[Bullypulpit]

Contrary to some quarters, the US, including the Congress, operate by the authority of the Constitution, with the power being derived from the people.
The people did NOT agree to the UN becoming the higher law.

As posted elsewhere, the Senate Select Committee, ignores information that has been released from the documents found in Iraq and transcibed. Can't have it both ways, Bully; you want truth or you want your truth?

None-the-less, America is a signatory to the UN charter.

As for those documents yuo refer to, their veracity is questionable at best. And given the sentiment of a majority of US citizens towards the occupation of Iraq (the war actually ended with Chimpy's "Mission Accomplished" speech in 2003), the Administration would have them front and center to try and bolster their sagging poll numbers. Nice try though.