Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians

[P F Tinmore]

The name may have changed but they are the same people.

You have inadvertently latched on to the truth of it. They ARE the same people. They are (as they admit) the same people as Jordanians and as Syrians. They deliberately adopted a new name to differentiate themselves from others in order to gain additional political recognition.

That deliberate act has transformed, over time, into a legitimate separate nationalism. No harm, no foul. The Jewish people have also, over time, transformed into a legitimate separate nationalism. No harm, no foul. Its hypocrisy to acknowledge one and not the other.

That deliberate act has transformed, over time, into a legitimate separate nationalism.

It didn't happen over time. Palestine became a separate nation in 1924.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There are a hell of a lot of Arab speaking Christians.

Is there a constructive point anywhere in that post?
I answered You question directly, these are basic official facts of all of the Palestinian governments.
I fail to see how this insistence changes anything, enlighten me.

I find it interesting that she constantly refers to Arab Muslims. Not Palestinians.

I want to point out why I find the term Arab Muslims offensive when talking about Palestinians. It is a subtle and deliberate way of denying them their identity.

I find the term "Palestinian" offensive as well, it is a result of a deliberate attempt to erase Jewish history and identity. The correct term is "Arab- Israeli conflict".

Really? So the only way Jewish identity can be validated is by destroying Palestinian identity? Really? You can’t have both?

Israel has always wanted to wipe Palestine off the map and Palestinians out of history.

You still see people on this board denying their existence.

 

[Lipush]

Please tell me you see the irony. You criticize those using the terminology you yourself use.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Note that this was not some drunken rant in a bar. Abbas delivered prepared remarks to an official session of the legislature of the Palestine Liberation Organization, of which he serves as chairman. (He is also chairman of the Palestinian Authority, in the 13th year of a four-year term, in addition to the head of the Fatah Party. Busy guy!)

Abbas’s address was so blatantly bigoted that even passionate supporters of the Palestinian cause acknowledged that he is an anti-Semite.

The New York Times, for example, reported that Abbas’s remarks were “laced with deeply anti-Semitic tropes.” Nickolay E. Mladenov, the United Nations’ special coordinator for the Middle East, said Abbas was “perpetuating conspiracy theories that fuel anti-Semitism.”

Americans for Peace Now charged that Abbas made “vile anti-Semitic statements.” J Street admitted that Abbas’s address “featured absurd anti-Semitic tropes and deeply offensive comments on the history of the Jewish people and Israel.”

But now that Abbas’s anti-Semitism has temporarily faded from the headlines, the Jewish ex-State Department crowd has returned to one of their favorite pastimes: demanding U.S. money for this lunatic.

(full article online)

More aid for anti-Semite Abbas?

 

[Sixties Fan]

From "Country cooperation strategy for WHO and the Occupied Palestinian Territory 2017–2020":

Palestinian public finances have depended on foreign aid to a significant extent over the past decade, albeit marked by large fluctuations and unpredictability. Despite increasing needs, aid for Palestine has declined, dropping 30% in 2015 from the previous year, resulting in a US$ 650 million budget gap reported in early 2016.17 Factors contributing to this gap include the global economic recession, an increase in humanitarian needs in other countries and regions, and donor “fatigue” or “occupation fatigue”, due in part to the lack of any progress towards any political resolution of the conflict. For some reason, even though the entire world has been cutting aid to Palestinians for years, only when Donald Trump does it are there dire headlines about how awful it is.

(full article online)

Way before Trump, the world was cutting aid to Palestinians (and no one complained) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

The people arguing against @UNRWA cuts in Jordan know that Jordan is Palestine - and a Palestinian state is bad news ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The name may have changed but they are the same people.

You have inadvertently latched on to the truth of it. They ARE the same people. They are (as they admit) the same people as Jordanians and as Syrians. They deliberately adopted a new name to differentiate themselves from others in order to gain additional political recognition.

That deliberate act has transformed, over time, into a legitimate separate nationalism. No harm, no foul. The Jewish people have also, over time, transformed into a legitimate separate nationalism. No harm, no foul. Its hypocrisy to acknowledge one and not the other.

The very much cynical invention of the made-up people called "Palestinian" had much more to do than gaining recognition. It had to do with the reversal of public opinion in regards to power dynamics.

If one understands the conflict in it's true form -- ARAB vs. Jew, then it is easier to understand what has actually happened. By inventing a brand new people, Arab political strategists have changed the perception of that dynamic to JEW vs Palestinian in the hearts and minds of the benightedly unintelligent.

It is a sleight of hand crafted to create the false impression of the underdog so as to gain support from the uneducated portion of the world left.

 

[TNHarley]

"without regard to human suffering"

Palestinians = ******* terrorists... smh

other way around charlie.LOL. Israeli's- ******* terrorists.

I didnt even mention Israel. You always do this bullshit dude.
I dont give a **** about Israel either. Get off my nuts

 

[Coyote]

Is there a constructive point anywhere in that post?
I answered You question directly, these are basic official facts of all of the Palestinian governments.
I fail to see how this insistence changes anything, enlighten me.

I find it interesting that she constantly refers to Arab Muslims. Not Palestinians.

I want to point out why I find the term Arab Muslims offensive when talking about Palestinians. It is a subtle and deliberate way of denying them their identity.

I find the term "Palestinian" offensive as well, it is a result of a deliberate attempt to erase Jewish history and identity. The correct term is "Arab- Israeli conflict".

Really? So the only Jewish identity can be validated is by destroying Palestinian identity? Really? You can’t have both?

Jewish identity is filled with 3500 years of a unique civilization,
Palestinian identity is less than a 100 years.

One of them surely feels so in-confident...wonder who?

At one time Jewish identity was less than a hundred years. Did you know that? What is the arbritrary time line for identity? Why is it that many of those who condemn antisemitic rhetoric denying Jews their identity as a people turn around and deny the Palestinians theirs?

Is that the real reason there is so much cheering at the ending of aid...because that sid recognizes them as something else than just more "Arab Muslims"?

 

[rylah]

I find it interesting that she constantly refers to Arab Muslims. Not Palestinians.

I want to point out why I find the term Arab Muslims offensive when talking about Palestinians. It is a subtle and deliberate way of denying them their identity.

I find the term "Palestinian" offensive as well, it is a result of a deliberate attempt to erase Jewish history and identity. The correct term is "Arab- Israeli conflict".

Really? So the only Jewish identity can be validated is by destroying Palestinian identity? Really? You can’t have both?

Jewish identity is filled with 3500 years of a unique civilization,
Palestinian identity is less than a 100 years.

One of them surely feels so in-confident...wonder who?

At one time Jewish identity was less than a hundred years. Did you know that? What is the arbritrary time line for identity? Why is it that many of those who condemn antisemitic rhetoric denying Jews their identity as a people turn around and deny the Palestinians theirs?

Is that the real reason there is so much cheering at the ending of aid...because that sid recognizes them as something else than just more "Arab Muslims"?

This doesn't make any sense,
You're trying to compare a 3,500 y.o. nation, to a less-than-a-century old reactionary political entity.
One of them is without a doubt a real nation, the other - merely a fraudulent welfare organization.

If You want to discuss aid please do, focus on the numbers and leave Jews alone!

 

[Coyote]

I want to point out why I find the term Arab Muslims offensive when talking about Palestinians. It is a subtle and deliberate way of denying them their identity.

I find the term "Palestinian" offensive as well, it is a result of a deliberate attempt to erase Jewish history and identity. The correct term is "Arab- Israeli conflict".

Really? So the only Jewish identity can be validated is by destroying Palestinian identity? Really? You can’t have both?

Jewish identity is filled with 3500 years of a unique civilization,
Palestinian identity is less than a 100 years.

One of them surely feels so in-confident...wonder who?

At one time Jewish identity was less than a hundred years. Did you know that? What is the arbritrary time line for identity? Why is it that many of those who condemn antisemitic rhetoric denying Jews their identity as a people turn around and deny the Palestinians theirs?

Is that the real reason there is so much cheering at the ending of aid...because that sid recognizes them as something else than just more "Arab Muslims"?

This doesn't make any sense,
You're trying to compare a 3,500 y.o. nation, to a less-than-a-century old reactionary political entity.
One of them is without a doubt a real nation, the other - merely a fraudulent welfare organization.

If You want to discuss aid please do, focus on the numbers and leave Jews alone!

It makes total sense. Every group identity begins sometime. You are using judaisms age to deny newer groups their right to an identity. What is the (abritrary) starting point? 10 years? 50? 200? 1000?

I dont believe I am attacking Jews. Insisting that the Palestinians have a right to their identity does not mean that Jews do not. It is NOT a zero sum equation.

Or do you think it is impossible to recignize them both?

 

[Coyote]

So the Palestinians are nothing more than a "fraudulent welfare organization"?

Yay Team Israel... Not!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I find the term "Palestinian" offensive as well, it is a result of a deliberate attempt to erase Jewish history and identity. The correct term is "Arab- Israeli conflict".

Really? So the only Jewish identity can be validated is by destroying Palestinian identity? Really? You can’t have both?

Jewish identity is filled with 3500 years of a unique civilization,
Palestinian identity is less than a 100 years.

One of them surely feels so in-confident...wonder who?

At one time Jewish identity was less than a hundred years. Did you know that? What is the arbritrary time line for identity? Why is it that many of those who condemn antisemitic rhetoric denying Jews their identity as a people turn around and deny the Palestinians theirs?

Is that the real reason there is so much cheering at the ending of aid...because that sid recognizes them as something else than just more "Arab Muslims"?

This doesn't make any sense,
You're trying to compare a 3,500 y.o. nation, to a less-than-a-century old reactionary political entity.
One of them is without a doubt a real nation, the other - merely a fraudulent welfare organization.

If You want to discuss aid please do, focus on the numbers and leave Jews alone!

It makes total sense. Every group identity begins sometime. You are using judaisms age to deny newer groups their right to an identity. What is the (abritrary) starting point? 10 years? 50? 200? 1000?

I dont believe I am attacking Jews. Insisting that the Palestinians have a right to their identity does not mean that Jews do not. It is NOT a zero sum equation.

Or do you think it is impossible to recignize them both?

Jewish identity arose from a natural process and dates back 3500 years. "Palestinian" identity is only a few decades old, and instead of arising as a natural process, was an intentional invention fabricated for a cynical political purpose.

It takes a special kind of dishonesty to try to portray them as the same.

 

[Coyote]

Really? So the only Jewish identity can be validated is by destroying Palestinian identity? Really? You can’t have both?

Jewish identity is filled with 3500 years of a unique civilization,
Palestinian identity is less than a 100 years.

One of them surely feels so in-confident...wonder who?

At one time Jewish identity was less than a hundred years. Did you know that? What is the arbritrary time line for identity? Why is it that many of those who condemn antisemitic rhetoric denying Jews their identity as a people turn around and deny the Palestinians theirs?

Is that the real reason there is so much cheering at the ending of aid...because that sid recognizes them as something else than just more "Arab Muslims"?

This doesn't make any sense,
You're trying to compare a 3,500 y.o. nation, to a less-than-a-century old reactionary political entity.
One of them is without a doubt a real nation, the other - merely a fraudulent welfare organization.

If You want to discuss aid please do, focus on the numbers and leave Jews alone!

It makes total sense. Every group identity begins sometime. You are using judaisms age to deny newer groups their right to an identity. What is the (abritrary) starting point? 10 years? 50? 200? 1000?

I dont believe I am attacking Jews. Insisting that the Palestinians have a right to their identity does not mean that Jews do not. It is NOT a zero sum equation.

Or do you think it is impossible to recignize them both?

Jewish identity arose from a natural process and dates back 3500 years. "Palestinian" identity is only a few decades old, and instead of arising as a natural process, was an intentional invention fabricated for a cynical political purpose.

It takes a special kind of dishonesty to try to portray them as the same.

You are not the judge of who is or is not allowed an identity. Regardless of how it came about it is their identity now and those who try to deny it are no different than those who deny the Jewish identity. Why is it do damn important for some to deny anothers identity?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

So the Palestinians are nothing more than a "fraudulent welfare organization"?

!

No, of course not.

They are also a terrorist juggernaut, a child-abusing machine with cradle to grave indoctrination into genocidal antisemitism and a well-oiled propaganda empire with operatives working discussion groups throughout the net

The fact that it is all so lucrative for them is just a sidebar.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Jewish identity is filled with 3500 years of a unique civilization,
Palestinian identity is less than a 100 years.

One of them surely feels so in-confident...wonder who?

At one time Jewish identity was less than a hundred years. Did you know that? What is the arbritrary time line for identity? Why is it that many of those who condemn antisemitic rhetoric denying Jews their identity as a people turn around and deny the Palestinians theirs?

Is that the real reason there is so much cheering at the ending of aid...because that sid recognizes them as something else than just more "Arab Muslims"?

This doesn't make any sense,
You're trying to compare a 3,500 y.o. nation, to a less-than-a-century old reactionary political entity.
One of them is without a doubt a real nation, the other - merely a fraudulent welfare organization.

If You want to discuss aid please do, focus on the numbers and leave Jews alone!

It makes total sense. Every group identity begins sometime. You are using judaisms age to deny newer groups their right to an identity. What is the (abritrary) starting point? 10 years? 50? 200? 1000?

I dont believe I am attacking Jews. Insisting that the Palestinians have a right to their identity does not mean that Jews do not. It is NOT a zero sum equation.

Or do you think it is impossible to recignize them both?

Jewish identity arose from a natural process and dates back 3500 years. "Palestinian" identity is only a few decades old, and instead of arising as a natural process, was an intentional invention fabricated for a cynical political purpose.

It takes a special kind of dishonesty to try to portray them as the same.

You are not the judge of who is or is not allowed an identity. Regardless of how it came about it is their identity now and those who try to deny it are no different than those who deny the Jewish identity. Why is it do damn important for some to deny anothers identity?

I said nothing about being ALLOWED an identity.

I simply addressed the patent dishonesty inherent in the crafting of this propagandistic illusion that they are in any way similar.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I find the term "Palestinian" offensive as well, it is a result of a deliberate attempt to erase Jewish history and identity. The correct term is "Arab- Israeli conflict".

Really? So the only Jewish identity can be validated is by destroying Palestinian identity? Really? You can’t have both?

Jewish identity is filled with 3500 years of a unique civilization,
Palestinian identity is less than a 100 years.

One of them surely feels so in-confident...wonder who?

At one time Jewish identity was less than a hundred years. Did you know that? What is the arbritrary time line for identity? Why is it that many of those who condemn antisemitic rhetoric denying Jews their identity as a people turn around and deny the Palestinians theirs?

Is that the real reason there is so much cheering at the ending of aid...because that sid recognizes them as something else than just more "Arab Muslims"?

This doesn't make any sense,
You're trying to compare a 3,500 y.o. nation, to a less-than-a-century old reactionary political entity.
One of them is without a doubt a real nation, the other - merely a fraudulent welfare organization.

If You want to discuss aid please do, focus on the numbers and leave Jews alone!

It makes total sense. Every group identity begins sometime. You are using judaisms age to deny newer groups their right to an identity. What is the (abritrary) starting point? 10 years? 50? 200? 1000?

I dont believe I am attacking Jews. Insisting that the Palestinians have a right to their identity does not mean that Jews do not. It is NOT a zero sum equation.

Or do you think it is impossible to recignize them both?

The arbitrary point is 1964, the year Arafat with the help of the KGB created the Palestinian National Identity.

National identities are created by the people themselves, through decades, centuries, millenniums of being as one.

The Palestinians are ONE with the rest of the Arab and Muslim world.

There is nothing different about them, and they even say so.

I am all for the Arabs to have an Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, Lebanese, etc, identity. And yes, they achieved it by invading and assimilating some of the indigenous culture into theirs.

What cannot be accepted is what the Arab Palestinians, and many other Arabs and Muslims aim to achieve, which is the destruction of the State of Israel and sending all Jews away from their homeland, period.

The second has already been achieved by Jews not being allowed to reside in TransJordan or Gaza. They could not reside in Judea and Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem for 19 years. Or Hebron from 1929 to 1967.

Arabs, themselves were confused. They were one evening Jordanians, the next day Palestinians in 1967.

So, they ask, what are they? Since when?
They wanted to be Syrian, and part of Greater Syria.
Arafat decided they would call themselves Palestinians (why not take the identity, since the Jews threw it away? )

But what makes a Palestinian?
So far, their main identity is hatred of Israel, its destruction and killing or making the Jews go away.

That is their school curriculum, that is what they hear on a daily basis.

THAT is their identity, nationality.

Seriously????


There are thousands of tribes, nations and countries in the world and NOT ONE identifies itself by the alleged loss and occupation the Palestinians have crafted their Nationality into since 1964.

And there will never, ever be another one.

They receive the most aid than any other people. Why should they?

Why should a people whose identity was created as a way against another people be given the amount of money and help they keep receiving, in order to keep trying to destroy those people, that country?

Yes, the world is upside down, but the Arab/Muslim/Palestinian world is exactly where it is supposed to be.
Opposing Jewish sovereignty of any piece of Muslim conquered land.....at any cost.

It does not cost the Arab leaders anything. They keep gaining more and more money, more and more wealth. The people are the ones to pay, because they pay both ways.

In the education they get, and in the way they are used to achieve what their leaders want them to achieve.

So, let us keep on giving them money, and more money. The EU, Iran, Qatar and others definitely intend to continue their help.

Help the education of hatred. The education of helplessness and hopelessness.

I am astounded that Tibetans, and many others have not copied this idea.

Wait, they do not get Millions and Millions for rockets, weapons, and an education of hatred towards they people who are actually occupying their land and not allowing them to be sovereign of their own destiny.


Who are the Palestinians?
And why do they deserve to get Billions which they abuse and misuse in their need to destroy a country and a people?

 

[Coyote]

Really? So the only Jewish identity can be validated is by destroying Palestinian identity? Really? You can’t have both?

Jewish identity is filled with 3500 years of a unique civilization,
Palestinian identity is less than a 100 years.

One of them surely feels so in-confident...wonder who?

At one time Jewish identity was less than a hundred years. Did you know that? What is the arbritrary time line for identity? Why is it that many of those who condemn antisemitic rhetoric denying Jews their identity as a people turn around and deny the Palestinians theirs?

Is that the real reason there is so much cheering at the ending of aid...because that sid recognizes them as something else than just more "Arab Muslims"?

This doesn't make any sense,
You're trying to compare a 3,500 y.o. nation, to a less-than-a-century old reactionary political entity.
One of them is without a doubt a real nation, the other - merely a fraudulent welfare organization.

If You want to discuss aid please do, focus on the numbers and leave Jews alone!

It makes total sense. Every group identity begins sometime. You are using judaisms age to deny newer groups their right to an identity. What is the (abritrary) starting point? 10 years? 50? 200? 1000?

I dont believe I am attacking Jews. Insisting that the Palestinians have a right to their identity does not mean that Jews do not. It is NOT a zero sum equation.

Or do you think it is impossible to recignize them both?

The arbitrary point is 1964, the year Arafat with the help of the KGB created the Palestinian National Identity.

National identities are created by the people themselves, through decades, centuries, millenniums of being as one.

The Palestinians are ONE with the rest of the Arab and Muslim world.

There is nothing different about them, and they even say so.

I am all for the Arabs to have an Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, Lebanese, etc, identity. And yes, they achieved it by invading and assimilating some of the indigenous culture into theirs.

What cannot be accepted is what the Arab Palestinians, and many other Arabs and Muslims aim to achieve, which is the destruction of the State of Israel and sending all Jews away from their homeland, period.

The second has already been achieved by Jews not being allowed to reside in TransJordan or Gaza. They could not reside in Judea and Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem for 19 years. Or Hebron from 1929 to 1967.

Arabs, themselves were confused. They were one evening Jordanians, the next day Palestinians in 1967.

So, they ask, what are they? Since when?
They wanted to be Syrian, and part of Greater Syria.
Arafat decided they would call themselves Palestinians (why not take the identity, since the Jews threw it away? )

But what makes a Palestinian?
So far, their main identity is hatred of Israel, its destruction and killing or making the Jews go away.

That is their school curriculum, that is what they hear on a daily basis.

THAT is their identity, nationality.

Seriously????


There are thousands of tribes, nations and countries in the world and NOT ONE identifies itself by the alleged loss and occupation the Palestinians have crafted their Nationality into since 1964.

And there will never, ever be another one.

They receive the most aid than any other people. Why should they?

Why should a people whose identity was created as a way against another people be given the amount of money and help they keep receiving, in order to keep trying to destroy those people, that country?

Yes, the world is upside down, but the Arab/Muslim/Palestinian world is exactly where it is supposed to be.
Opposing Jewish sovereignty of any piece of Muslim conquered land.....at any cost.

It does not cost the Arab leaders anything. They keep gaining more and more money, more and more wealth. The people are the ones to pay, because they pay both ways.

In the education they get, and in the way they are used to achieve what their leaders want them to achieve.

So, let us keep on giving them money, and more money. The EU, Iran, Qatar and others definitely intend to continue their help.

Help the education of hatred. The education of helplessness and hopelessness.

I am astounded that Tibetans, and many others have not copied this idea.

Wait, they do not get Millions and Millions for rockets, weapons, and an education of hatred towards they people who are actually occupying their land and not allowing them to be sovereign of their own destiny.


Who are the Palestinians?
And why do they deserve to get Billions which they abuse and misuse in their need to destroy a country and a people?

The Palestinians get aid in the millions.

The Israelis get aid in the billions

Why?

And what difference does it make if a people created a national identity in AD 1964 or BC 1964?

Why is it so important to deny them their identity?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Jewish identity is filled with 3500 years of a unique civilization,
Palestinian identity is less than a 100 years.

One of them surely feels so in-confident...wonder who?

At one time Jewish identity was less than a hundred years. Did you know that? What is the arbritrary time line for identity? Why is it that many of those who condemn antisemitic rhetoric denying Jews their identity as a people turn around and deny the Palestinians theirs?

Is that the real reason there is so much cheering at the ending of aid...because that sid recognizes them as something else than just more "Arab Muslims"?

This doesn't make any sense,
You're trying to compare a 3,500 y.o. nation, to a less-than-a-century old reactionary political entity.
One of them is without a doubt a real nation, the other - merely a fraudulent welfare organization.

If You want to discuss aid please do, focus on the numbers and leave Jews alone!

It makes total sense. Every group identity begins sometime. You are using judaisms age to deny newer groups their right to an identity. What is the (abritrary) starting point? 10 years? 50? 200? 1000?

I dont believe I am attacking Jews. Insisting that the Palestinians have a right to their identity does not mean that Jews do not. It is NOT a zero sum equation.

Or do you think it is impossible to recignize them both?

The arbitrary point is 1964, the year Arafat with the help of the KGB created the Palestinian National Identity.

National identities are created by the people themselves, through decades, centuries, millenniums of being as one.

The Palestinians are ONE with the rest of the Arab and Muslim world.

There is nothing different about them, and they even say so.

I am all for the Arabs to have an Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, Lebanese, etc, identity. And yes, they achieved it by invading and assimilating some of the indigenous culture into theirs.

What cannot be accepted is what the Arab Palestinians, and many other Arabs and Muslims aim to achieve, which is the destruction of the State of Israel and sending all Jews away from their homeland, period.

The second has already been achieved by Jews not being allowed to reside in TransJordan or Gaza. They could not reside in Judea and Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem for 19 years. Or Hebron from 1929 to 1967.

Arabs, themselves were confused. They were one evening Jordanians, the next day Palestinians in 1967.

So, they ask, what are they? Since when?
They wanted to be Syrian, and part of Greater Syria.
Arafat decided they would call themselves Palestinians (why not take the identity, since the Jews threw it away? )

But what makes a Palestinian?
So far, their main identity is hatred of Israel, its destruction and killing or making the Jews go away.

That is their school curriculum, that is what they hear on a daily basis.

THAT is their identity, nationality.

Seriously????


There are thousands of tribes, nations and countries in the world and NOT ONE identifies itself by the alleged loss and occupation the Palestinians have crafted their Nationality into since 1964.

And there will never, ever be another one.

They receive the most aid than any other people. Why should they?

Why should a people whose identity was created as a way against another people be given the amount of money and help they keep receiving, in order to keep trying to destroy those people, that country?

Yes, the world is upside down, but the Arab/Muslim/Palestinian world is exactly where it is supposed to be.
Opposing Jewish sovereignty of any piece of Muslim conquered land.....at any cost.

It does not cost the Arab leaders anything. They keep gaining more and more money, more and more wealth. The people are the ones to pay, because they pay both ways.

In the education they get, and in the way they are used to achieve what their leaders want them to achieve.

So, let us keep on giving them money, and more money. The EU, Iran, Qatar and others definitely intend to continue their help.

Help the education of hatred. The education of helplessness and hopelessness.

I am astounded that Tibetans, and many others have not copied this idea.

Wait, they do not get Millions and Millions for rockets, weapons, and an education of hatred towards they people who are actually occupying their land and not allowing them to be sovereign of their own destiny.


Who are the Palestinians?
And why do they deserve to get Billions which they abuse and misuse in their need to destroy a country and a people?

The Palestinians get aid in the millions.

The Israelis get aid in the billions

Why?

And what difference does it make if a people created a national identity in AD 1964 or BC 1964?

Why is it so important to deny them their identity?

1) Palestinians have received aid in the Billions as well.
What have they done with it all of these decades?

2) One does not go to Moscow and create a people with the KGB in order to destroy another people.

3) THEY deny it themselves.

Arab Historian Admits there is No Palestinian People





When they put their weapons down, and stop yelling "Kill the Jews", and "Death to Israel", then and ONLY then, they will be Palestinians.

Right now, they are nothing but a weapon against Israel. Have been since 1920 when the Husseini Clan whipped them into a frenzy to attack Jews.

Give up all of that, and receiving aid to the people who need it will not be seen as a waste and as a grotesque gesture meant to show how those who are aiding them are more than willing to see Israel disappear from the map. And the Jews with it.

 

[flacaltenn]

The Palestinians get aid in the millions.

The Israelis get aid in the billions

Why?

Think I explained this to you.. Israel needs a missile defense system so that they can RESTRAIN their responses to missiles coming out of Gaza. It's a good deal. AND -- it cost $BILLs. Saves lives and conflict.

Similarly, Israel has an Air Force and actual military and THAT balancing presence saves conflict in the region
and keeps the larger conflicts from occurring. Not cheap. Any of that takes $Bills.

That's why...

I don't like pressuring the Palis into a Jared Kushner peace pact any more than you do. Because FORCING them into a unity government is a sorry ass plan doomed to fail..

But that's been the faulty logic behind US policy on peace here for 3 Admins now... It's the Two State solution that only 43% of Palestinians in Israel still favor.. THAT'S the problem. US foreign policy on this has sucked since Jimmy Carter.