Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians

[Shusha]

It is a specific subgroup engaging in a specific activity which in their view is repopulating ... lands they feel was promised to them (and which serves the political purpose of securing Area C for Israel).

Not at all different from Arab Palestinian descendants wishing to repopulate land which they feel was promised to them and which serves the political purpose of securing Area C and Israel "proper" for Arab Palestine.

The difference is that the international community tends to support the one while demonizing the other. It tends to see the Arab Palestinian descendants as having a Right to Return while Jewish descendants have no Right of Re-settlement. I think its inherent in your response.

What if we all saw both the Arab Palestinian descendants AND the Jewish descendants as equally having the Right to Return and Re-settle?

 

[rylah]

What does that have to with the fact they aren’t all Muslim, that the Christians call themselves and identify as Palestinian but you insist on referring to them all as Arab Muslims?

Language -Arabic
Nation - Arabic
Legislation - Sharia.

Questions?

There are a hell of a lot of Arab speaking Christians.

Is there a constructive point anywhere in that post?
I answered You question directly, these are basic official facts of all of the Palestinian governments.
I fail to see how this insistence changes anything, enlighten me.

I find it interesting that she constantly refers to Arab Muslims. Not Palestinians.

I want to point out why I find the term Arab Muslims offensive when talking about Palestinians. It is a subtle and deliberate way of denying them their identity.

I find the term "Palestinian" offensive as well, it is a result of a deliberate attempt to erase Jewish history and identity. The correct term is "Arab- Israeli conflict".

 

[rylah]

What if we all saw both the Arab Palestinian descendants AND the Jewish descendants as equally having the Right to Return and Re-settle?

You'd see on the 1st day a half of the middle east population abandoning their countries for Israel begging for citizenship. And the other half then next day.

It's like I've met this Algerian in Germany who claimed he was a Palestinian because his brother moved to Gaza 2 years prior to that. All Arabs potentially have 'Palestinian' cousins somewhere...Qatar and Egypt come to mind.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ P F Tinmore, Sixties Fan, et al,

Contrary to popular belief there is a basic flaw here. "The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is not a treaty, so it does not directly create legal obligations for countries." While it is contained in the International Bill of Right (the UDHR, the ICCPR, the ICESCR) → even that did not go into force until 23 March 1976. That is a decade after the 1967 Six-Day War. For the all the various documents on "rights" of all categories, see the UN Human Rights Commission's list.

Your basic Human Rights Documents are:

• International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) and
  
• International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR).
  
• Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination 1965
  
• Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women 1979
  
• Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment 1984
  
• Convention on the Rights of the Child 1989
  
• Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities 2006

The very best list of "Rights" I have ever seen outlined was published by the Austrailian Human Right Commission:

• Human Rights: Right by Right

The right to return does not depend on why they left. It is irrelevant. If they were forced out, studying abroad, on a business trip, or whatever, they have the right to return to their homes.

(COMMENT)

No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.

That is different from:

Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

The first (ICCPR) is law and second (UDHR) is not. Do you see the difference?

This idea that the "Right of Return is "LAW" and places a binding obligation on Israel relative to the return of the refugees and descendants, is simply flawed. Although it has been repeated so much that people mistakenly believe that it is a law.

The law expresses the prohibition against refugees and descendants being "arbitrarily deprived of the right of return." The mere fact that they are sworn enemies of the Israelis is reason enough. It is why the Resolution says "Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date," is sufficient cause to deprive the right.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ P F Tinmore, Sixties Fan, et al,

Contrary to popular belief there is a basic flaw here. "The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is not a treaty, so it does not directly create legal obligations for countries." While it is contained in the International Bill of Right (the UDHR, the ICCPR, the ICESCR) → even that did not go into force until 23 March 1976. That is a decade after the 1967 Six-Day War. For the all the various documents on "rights" of all categories, see the UN Human Rights Commission's list.

Your basic Human Rights Documents are:

• International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) and
  
• International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR).
  
• Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination 1965
  
• Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women 1979
  
• Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment 1984
  
• Convention on the Rights of the Child 1989
  
• Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities 2006

The very best list of "Rights" I have ever seen outlined was published by the Austrailian Human Right Commission:

• Human Rights: Right by Right

The right to return does not depend on why they left. It is irrelevant. If they were forced out, studying abroad, on a business trip, or whatever, they have the right to return to their homes.

(COMMENT)

No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.

That is different from:

Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

The first (ICCPR) is law and second (UDHR) is not. Do you see the difference?

This idea that the "Right of Return is "LAW" and places a binding obligation on Israel relative to the return of the refugees and descendants, is simply flawed. Although it has been repeated so much that people mistakenly believe that it is a law.

The law expresses the prohibition against refugees and descendants being "arbitrarily deprived of the right of return." The mere fact that they are sworn enemies of the Israelis is reason enough. It is why the Resolution says "Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date," is sufficient cause to deprive the right.

Most Respectfully,
R

The distinction between "his own country" and "home" is also relevant.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I want to point out why I find the term Arab Muslims offensive when talking about Palestinians. It is a subtle and deliberate way of denying them their identity.

The identity that is nothing but an intentional fabrication created in the middle of the 20th century for the purposes of propaganda -- that identity?
If this identity is so important, why did it not exist until a few decades ago?

 

[Tehon]

The identity that is nothing but an intentional fabrication created in the middle of the 20th century for the purposes of propaganda -- that identity?
If this identity is so important, why did it not exist until a few decades ago?

The identity is pertinent to their survival. That is why it is so important.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The identity is pertinent to their survival. That is why it is so important.

The made up identity has NOTHING to do with their survival.

Considering that the fabricated identity is built around a genocidal hatred of Jews, it is actually detrimental to their survival.

 

[Tehon]

The identity is pertinent to their survival. That is why it is so important.

The made up identity has NOTHING to do with their survival.

Considering that the fabricated identity is built around a genocidal hatred of Jews, it is actually detrimental to their survival.

Striving for recognition in the world has everything to do with survival.

 

[rylah]

The identity is pertinent to their survival. That is why it is so important.

The made up identity has NOTHING to do with their survival.

Considering that the fabricated identity is built around a genocidal hatred of Jews, it is actually detrimental to their survival.

Striving for recognition in the world has everything to do with survival.

A society that straps suicide vests on their children is interested in survival?
That's like running west looking for a sunrise.

 

[Tehon]

The identity is pertinent to their survival. That is why it is so important.

The made up identity has NOTHING to do with their survival.

Considering that the fabricated identity is built around a genocidal hatred of Jews, it is actually detrimental to their survival.

Striving for recognition in the world has everything to do with survival.

A society that straps suicide vests on their children is interested in survival?
That's like running west looking for a sunset.

It is an act of utter despair. It is also an act which strives for recognition.

 

[rylah]

The identity is pertinent to their survival. That is why it is so important.

The made up identity has NOTHING to do with their survival.

Considering that the fabricated identity is built around a genocidal hatred of Jews, it is actually detrimental to their survival.

Striving for recognition in the world has everything to do with survival.

A society that straps suicide vests on their children is interested in survival?
That's like running west looking for a sunset.

It is an act of utter despair. It is also an act which strives for recognition.

Your answer is pure despair and none sense.

If a society looks for recognition by sending their children on suicide missions,
then they deserve neither recognition nor reproductive organs.

 

[Tehon]

The identity is pertinent to their survival. That is why it is so important.

The made up identity has NOTHING to do with their survival.

Considering that the fabricated identity is built around a genocidal hatred of Jews, it is actually detrimental to their survival.

Striving for recognition in the world has everything to do with survival.

A society that straps suicide vests on their children is interested in survival?
That's like running west looking for a sunset.

It is an act of utter despair. It is also an act which strives for recognition.

Your answer is pure despair and apologetics.

If a society looks for recognition by sending their children on suicide missions,
they deserve neither recognition nor reproductive organs.

I can't imagine what drives a people to do that. The conditions imposed on them must be abhorrent. But we know this to be the case, don't we. Still I can't even imagine.

 

[rylah]

The made up identity has NOTHING to do with their survival.

Considering that the fabricated identity is built around a genocidal hatred of Jews, it is actually detrimental to their survival.

Striving for recognition in the world has everything to do with survival.

A society that straps suicide vests on their children is interested in survival?
That's like running west looking for a sunset.

It is an act of utter despair. It is also an act which strives for recognition.

Your answer is pure despair and apologetics.

If a society looks for recognition by sending their children on suicide missions,
they deserve neither recognition nor reproductive organs.

I can't imagine what drives a people to do that. The conditions imposed on them must be abhorrent. But we know this to be the case, don't we. Still I can't even imagine.

Happens all over the middle east where Arab tribalism is alive and killing.
Suicide extortions are not the smartest way to "survive"...should I explain this on the fingers?

 

[Tehon]

Striving for recognition in the world has everything to do with survival.

A society that straps suicide vests on their children is interested in survival?
That's like running west looking for a sunset.

It is an act of utter despair. It is also an act which strives for recognition.

Your answer is pure despair and apologetics.

If a society looks for recognition by sending their children on suicide missions,
they deserve neither recognition nor reproductive organs.

I can't imagine what drives a people to do that. The conditions imposed on them must be abhorrent. But we know this to be the case, don't we. Still I can't even imagine.

Happens all over the middle east where Arab tribalism is alive and killing.
I suggest You ask a professional how they deal with suicide extortion.

Humans have an uncanny ability to adept to the most appalling conditions. I can see that from both sides of the divide. Mentally, the Jewish State is ******* twisted.

 

[rylah]

A society that straps suicide vests on their children is interested in survival?
That's like running west looking for a sunset.

It is an act of utter despair. It is also an act which strives for recognition.

Your answer is pure despair and apologetics.

If a society looks for recognition by sending their children on suicide missions,
they deserve neither recognition nor reproductive organs.

I can't imagine what drives a people to do that. The conditions imposed on them must be abhorrent. But we know this to be the case, don't we. Still I can't even imagine.

Happens all over the middle east where Arab tribalism is alive and killing.
I suggest You ask a professional how they deal with suicide extortion.

Humans have an uncanny ability to adept to the most appalling conditions. I can see that from both sides of the divide. Mentally, the Jewish State is ******* twisted.

You suggest suicide serves recognition and survival, but Jews are the twisted ones?
Try to at least make some sense...

 

[Tehon]

It is an act of utter despair. It is also an act which strives for recognition.

Your answer is pure despair and apologetics.

If a society looks for recognition by sending their children on suicide missions,
they deserve neither recognition nor reproductive organs.

I can't imagine what drives a people to do that. The conditions imposed on them must be abhorrent. But we know this to be the case, don't we. Still I can't even imagine.

Happens all over the middle east where Arab tribalism is alive and killing.
I suggest You ask a professional how they deal with suicide extortion.

Humans have an uncanny ability to adept to the most appalling conditions. I can see that from both sides of the divide. Mentally, the Jewish State is ******* twisted.

You suggest suicide serves recognition and survival, but Jews are the twisted ones?
Are planning on at least making some sense?

Jews are those that are imposing the conditions that lead to a people taking such drastic measures. It makes perfect sense. I can't imagine the levels of self deception running through the minds of Israeli citizens.

 

[rylah]

Your answer is pure despair and apologetics.

If a society looks for recognition by sending their children on suicide missions,
they deserve neither recognition nor reproductive organs.

I can't imagine what drives a people to do that. The conditions imposed on them must be abhorrent. But we know this to be the case, don't we. Still I can't even imagine.

Happens all over the middle east where Arab tribalism is alive and killing.
I suggest You ask a professional how they deal with suicide extortion.

Humans have an uncanny ability to adept to the most appalling conditions. I can see that from both sides of the divide. Mentally, the Jewish State is ******* twisted.

You suggest suicide serves recognition and survival, but Jews are the twisted ones?
Are planning on at least making some sense?

Jews are those that are imposing the conditions that lead to a people taking such drastic measures. It makes perfect sense. I can't imagine the levels of self deception running through the minds of Israeli citizens.

Yes and suicidal patients tend to blame the doctors for all mental problems.
Just another vivid case of how antisemitism is irrational.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians
※→ P F Tinmore, Sixties Fan, et al,

Contrary to popular belief there is a basic flaw here. "The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is not a treaty, so it does not directly create legal obligations for countries." While it is contained in the International Bill of Right (the UDHR, the ICCPR, the ICESCR) → even that did not go into force until 23 March 1976. That is a decade after the 1967 Six-Day War. For the all the various documents on "rights" of all categories, see the UN Human Rights Commission's list.

Your basic Human Rights Documents are:

• International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) and
  
• International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR).
  
• Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination 1965
  
• Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women 1979
  
• Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment 1984
  
• Convention on the Rights of the Child 1989
  
• Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities 2006

The very best list of "Rights" I have ever seen outlined was published by the Austrailian Human Right Commission:

• Human Rights: Right by Right

The right to return does not depend on why they left. It is irrelevant. If they were forced out, studying abroad, on a business trip, or whatever, they have the right to return to their homes.

(COMMENT)

No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.

That is different from:

Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

The first (ICCPR) is law and second (UDHR) is not. Do you see the difference?

This idea that the "Right of Return is "LAW" and places a binding obligation on Israel relative to the return of the refugees and descendants, is simply flawed. Although it has been repeated so much that people mistakenly believe that it is a law.

The law expresses the prohibition against refugees and descendants being "arbitrarily deprived of the right of return." The mere fact that they are sworn enemies of the Israelis is reason enough. It is why the Resolution says "Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date," is sufficient cause to deprive the right.

Most Respectfully,
R

The law expresses the prohibition against refugees and descendants being "arbitrarily deprived of the right of return." The mere fact that they are sworn enemies of the Israelis is reason enough.

The reason that the Palestinians are so called sworn enemies of the Israelis is because they are not allowed to go back home.

 

[rylah]

No Reward for Terrorism: Australia Ends Aid to Palestinian Authority

The Palestinian Authority will no longer received direct financial aid from Australia because donations could increase the self-governing body’s ability to financially reward terrorist violence.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said Monday that funding to a World Bank’s trust fund was cut after she wrote to the Palestinian Authority in late May seeking assurance that Australian funding was not being handed directly to the families of deceased terrorists.

Palestinian Media Watch said the amount of money allocated by the PA for payments to terrorists jailed in Israel in 2017 rose 13 percent to $158 million — compared to $135 million in 2016.

During the same time frame, disbursements for family members of dead terrorists increased by 4 percent — to $197 million from $183 million.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said such payments are in conflict with Australian values and while she was confident no money already given had been misused the time had come to make a change.