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Repubs are excellent at this sort of thing.

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In 2019 there were 7,571 inmate deaths in 500 jails across America. Of those deaths, 4,998 were inmates who had not been convicted of the charges for which were being held.
In 2019 there were 7,571 inmate deaths in 500 jails across America.

the height of the pandemic?

go figure

(guess that makes it Trumps fault?)
 

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Your posts are always about making unsubstantiated claims without offering a shred of evidence.

When you present opinion as supposed evidence, that's all your posts deserve as a response.

People feel unsafe, and rightly so. Criminals see bail reform as the powers that be giving them carte blanche to do what they wish.
 
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When you present opinion as supposed evidence, that's all your posts deserve as a response.
So............you haven't read my posts. Thanks for clearing things up.
 

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If you want to understand why Repubs are competitive in elections (besides gerrymandering) despite favoring unpopular policy positions on just about every major issue, this post provides an explanation. In a nutshell, it's their unmatched ability to exploit the public's ignorance and spread disinformation on wedge issues.

DEBUNKING LIES ABOUT BAIL REFORM

Ahead of the 2022 legislative session, there has been an increased appeal from those opposed to criminal legal reforms to change certain New York State laws, such as the pretrial reforms that went into effect in the first half of 2020. Those reforms prohibited cash bail for certain misdemeanors and nonviolent offenses, so that thousands of individuals – all of whom are considered innocent of their charges until proven otherwise – could take care of their families, keep their jobs, and work with their attorneys to prepare their cases.

The calls for rollbacks to bail reform claim these bail law changes have caused an increase in violent crime across the state, stoking public safety concerns about the law’s impact. However, a closer look shows that these claims are either based on no evidence or on faulty data.

Fact-Check: Lies About Crime & Bail Reform
Analysis: What’s Really Driving Crime in New York
https://www.timesunion.com/news/art...-bail-reform-is-to-blame-for-gun-16333386.php

Fact-checking claims bail reform is driving increase in violent crime

During a congressional hearing in late June, Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, suggested reforms eliminating cash bail could partially be to blame for the recent spike in crime. Graham asked FBI Director Christopher Wray if he believed “one of the reasons crime is on the rise is that certain jurisdictions have basically eliminated bail?”

“You catch them on Monday morning and they’re out on the streets Monday afternoon,” Graham said.

While Wray did not directly answer Graham’s question, he suggested that “one of the causes of the violent crime spike are certain kinds of prosecution practices,” adding that “there’s nothing more disheartening to a law enforcement officer to see somebody that you worked hard to arrest promptly back out committing a crime again.”

Facts First: There’s no clear evidence linking bail reforms – which have been in place for years in some cities – to the recent rise in violent crimes. In fact, the majority of cities that have seen increases in crime have not eliminated cash bail. Many variables have contributed to the increases Graham is referencing but CNN has seen no evidence to suggest that bail reform is a major factor.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/politics/bail-reform-violent-crime-fact-check

As is often the case, the foundation for the disinformation being spread about the connection between cashless bail and increased crime is created from another steaming pile of horse shyte.

Fact check: The GOP’s dishonesty-filled barrage of ‘defund the police’ attack ads

WashingtonCNN —
Republicans have been running ads around the country that use a variety of dishonest tactics to try to create the inaccurate impression that the Democratic candidates they are targeting support defunding the police.

Some of the Republican ads simply make things up. Other ads falsely describe bills the Democratic candidates have supported. Still other ads try guilt by association, noting that the candidates have supporters who have called to defund the police but not mentioning that the candidates themselves have rejected defunding the police.

One particularly egregious guilt-by-association ad accuses a Democrat of marching with a pro-defunding progressive group without providing evidence of the supposed marching and without noting that the event in question was a local “Fun Fest” that took place nearly three years before the group endorsed defunding.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html

In short, Repubs seized on an increase in crime all over the country during the pandemic to weave a duplicitous narrative combining falsehoods about cashless bail and "defund the police".........the mis-named idea that police violence could be mitigated by reallocating funds within police depts.........., to come up with the campaign slogan that Dems are soft on crime. In typical fashion, Dems have not created an effective counter narrative. In part because the simplistic messaging by Repubs requires complexity to refute.

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You just provided Links from the most Left-Wing, elitist sites on earth.
 
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the height of the pandemic?

go figure

(guess that makes it Trumps fault?)
Your ineffectual blather does nothing to counter the point. Which is not the deaths in jail per se, but rather that about 60% of the people who died were in jail because they couldn't afford bail, not because they had been found guilty of a crime.
 

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That's how you roll, not me. Just be sure you don't offend your King, as all of your party well knows by now.
Demented Biden is our current King.
 
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Refute the facts presented of STFU.
You didn't present facts.
I work in 5 Towns and drive through 2 others, 3 of them minority.
You live in a nursing home looking out the window.
 

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So............you haven't read my posts. Thanks for clearing things up.

I read your posts, I scan you links, my conclusion is the same as before.

When you present yourselves as champions of the criminals, the criminals do what they do best and take advantage of the situation.
 
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I read your posts, I scan you links, my conclusion is the same as before.

When you present yourselves as champions of the criminals, the criminals do what they do best and take advantage of the situation.
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Nothing like letting other people do your supposed thinking for you, right berg?

baaaaaaaaaa,

You can reference bullshit social studies 101 theory all you want, the end result is cities are less safe, more people are fucked up, and normals are sick of being harrassed trying to do everyday activities.
 

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Nothing like letting other people do your supposed thinking for you, right berg?

baaaaaaaaaa,

You can reference bullshit social studies 101 theory all you want, the end result is cities are less safe, more people are fucked up, and normals are sick of being harrassed trying to do everyday activities.
Again… this is about misdemeanors and non violent crimes
 

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Note to The Following: Attempts to dismiss the content of this post based on the sources used, without factual refutation, will be ignored.

Translation: I have my opinions, and facts wont' deter my stance.
 

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Again… this is about misdemeanors and non violent crimes

Crime is crime. when people feel unsafe they feel unsafe.

50 people invading a store and taking as much shit as they can may be "non violent" but I am sure anyone trying to stop them would get a violent response.

Intimidation of this type doesn't cross the line to actual violence, but it sure makes people scared of their well being.

That, and eventually the stores they rely on will shut down.
 

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If you want to understand why Repubs are competitive in elections (besides gerrymandering) despite favoring unpopular policy positions on just about every major issue, this post provides an explanation. In a nutshell, it's their unmatched ability to exploit the public's ignorance and spread disinformation on wedge issues.

DEBUNKING LIES ABOUT BAIL REFORM

Ahead of the 2022 legislative session, there has been an increased appeal from those opposed to criminal legal reforms to change certain New York State laws, such as the pretrial reforms that went into effect in the first half of 2020. Those reforms prohibited cash bail for certain misdemeanors and nonviolent offenses, so that thousands of individuals – all of whom are considered innocent of their charges until proven otherwise – could take care of their families, keep their jobs, and work with their attorneys to prepare their cases.

The calls for rollbacks to bail reform claim these bail law changes have caused an increase in violent crime across the state, stoking public safety concerns about the law’s impact. However, a closer look shows that these claims are either based on no evidence or on faulty data.

Fact-Check: Lies About Crime & Bail Reform
Analysis: What’s Really Driving Crime in New York
https://www.timesunion.com/news/art...-bail-reform-is-to-blame-for-gun-16333386.php

Fact-checking claims bail reform is driving increase in violent crime

During a congressional hearing in late June, Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, suggested reforms eliminating cash bail could partially be to blame for the recent spike in crime. Graham asked FBI Director Christopher Wray if he believed “one of the reasons crime is on the rise is that certain jurisdictions have basically eliminated bail?”

“You catch them on Monday morning and they’re out on the streets Monday afternoon,” Graham said.

While Wray did not directly answer Graham’s question, he suggested that “one of the causes of the violent crime spike are certain kinds of prosecution practices,” adding that “there’s nothing more disheartening to a law enforcement officer to see somebody that you worked hard to arrest promptly back out committing a crime again.”

Facts First: There’s no clear evidence linking bail reforms – which have been in place for years in some cities – to the recent rise in violent crimes. In fact, the majority of cities that have seen increases in crime have not eliminated cash bail. Many variables have contributed to the increases Graham is referencing but CNN has seen no evidence to suggest that bail reform is a major factor.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/politics/bail-reform-violent-crime-fact-check

As is often the case, the foundation for the disinformation being spread about the connection between cashless bail and increased crime is created from another steaming pile of horse shyte.

Fact check: The GOP’s dishonesty-filled barrage of ‘defund the police’ attack ads

WashingtonCNN —
Republicans have been running ads around the country that use a variety of dishonest tactics to try to create the inaccurate impression that the Democratic candidates they are targeting support defunding the police.

Some of the Republican ads simply make things up. Other ads falsely describe bills the Democratic candidates have supported. Still other ads try guilt by association, noting that the candidates have supporters who have called to defund the police but not mentioning that the candidates themselves have rejected defunding the police.

One particularly egregious guilt-by-association ad accuses a Democrat of marching with a pro-defunding progressive group without providing evidence of the supposed marching and without noting that the event in question was a local “Fun Fest” that took place nearly three years before the group endorsed defunding.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html

In short, Repubs seized on an increase in crime all over the country during the pandemic to weave a duplicitous narrative combining falsehoods about cashless bail and "defund the police".........the mis-named idea that police violence could be mitigated by reallocating funds within police depts.........., to come up with the campaign slogan that Dems are soft on crime. In typical fashion, Dems have not created an effective counter narrative. In part because the simplistic messaging by Repubs requires complexity to refute.

Note to The Following: Attempts to dismiss the content of this post based on the sources used, without factual refutation, will be ignored.
Defund The Police! Release all the criminals
Then invite a prostitute to your house who hits you in the head with a hammer when you don't pay him what he asked for.

You libtards are a bunch of geniuses.
 

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Crime is crime. when people feel unsafe they feel unsafe.

50 people invading a store and taking as much shit as they can may be "non violent" but I am sure anyone trying to stop them would get a violent response.

Intimidation of this type doesn't cross the line to actual violence, but it sure makes people scared of their well being.

That, and eventually the stores they rely on will shut down.
So it’s about feelings and not facts


Ohhj
 
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You can reference bullshit social studies 101 theory all you want,
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Crime is crime. when people feel unsafe they feel unsafe.
Crime: Red Delusions About Purple Reality

Americans aren’t wrong to be concerned about crime. Nationwide, violent crime rose substantially in 2020; we don’t have complete data yet, but murders appear to have risen further in 2021, although they seem to be declining again.

Nobody knows for sure what caused the surge — just as nobody knows for sure what caused the epic decline in crime from 1990 to the mid-2010s, about which more shortly. But given the timing, the social and psychological effects of the pandemic are the most likely culprit, with a possible secondary role for the damage to police-community relations caused by the murder of George Floyd.

While the crime surge was real, however, the perception that it was all about big cities run by Democrats is false. This was a purple crime wave, with murder rates rising at roughly the same rate in Trump-voting red states and Biden-voting blue states. Homicides rose sharply in both urban and rural areas. And if we look at levels rather than rates of change, both homicides and violent crime as a whole are generally higher in red states.

So why do so many people believe otherwise? Before we get to politically motivated disinformation, let’s talk about some other factors that might have skewed perceptions.

Opinion | Crime: Red Delusions About Purple Reality
 

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If you want to understand why Repubs are competitive in elections (besides gerrymandering) despite favoring unpopular policy positions on just about every major issue, this post provides an explanation. In a nutshell, it's their unmatched ability to exploit the public's ignorance and spread disinformation on wedge issues.

DEBUNKING LIES ABOUT BAIL REFORM

Ahead of the 2022 legislative session, there has been an increased appeal from those opposed to criminal legal reforms to change certain New York State laws, such as the pretrial reforms that went into effect in the first half of 2020. Those reforms prohibited cash bail for certain misdemeanors and nonviolent offenses, so that thousands of individuals – all of whom are considered innocent of their charges until proven otherwise – could take care of their families, keep their jobs, and work with their attorneys to prepare their cases.

The calls for rollbacks to bail reform claim these bail law changes have caused an increase in violent crime across the state, stoking public safety concerns about the law’s impact. However, a closer look shows that these claims are either based on no evidence or on faulty data.

Fact-Check: Lies About Crime & Bail Reform
Analysis: What’s Really Driving Crime in New York
https://www.timesunion.com/news/art...-bail-reform-is-to-blame-for-gun-16333386.php

Fact-checking claims bail reform is driving increase in violent crime

During a congressional hearing in late June, Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, suggested reforms eliminating cash bail could partially be to blame for the recent spike in crime. Graham asked FBI Director Christopher Wray if he believed “one of the reasons crime is on the rise is that certain jurisdictions have basically eliminated bail?”

“You catch them on Monday morning and they’re out on the streets Monday afternoon,” Graham said.

While Wray did not directly answer Graham’s question, he suggested that “one of the causes of the violent crime spike are certain kinds of prosecution practices,” adding that “there’s nothing more disheartening to a law enforcement officer to see somebody that you worked hard to arrest promptly back out committing a crime again.”

Facts First: There’s no clear evidence linking bail reforms – which have been in place for years in some cities – to the recent rise in violent crimes. In fact, the majority of cities that have seen increases in crime have not eliminated cash bail. Many variables have contributed to the increases Graham is referencing but CNN has seen no evidence to suggest that bail reform is a major factor.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/politics/bail-reform-violent-crime-fact-check

As is often the case, the foundation for the disinformation being spread about the connection between cashless bail and increased crime is created from another steaming pile of horse shyte.

Fact check: The GOP’s dishonesty-filled barrage of ‘defund the police’ attack ads

WashingtonCNN —
Republicans have been running ads around the country that use a variety of dishonest tactics to try to create the inaccurate impression that the Democratic candidates they are targeting support defunding the police.

Some of the Republican ads simply make things up. Other ads falsely describe bills the Democratic candidates have supported. Still other ads try guilt by association, noting that the candidates have supporters who have called to defund the police but not mentioning that the candidates themselves have rejected defunding the police.

One particularly egregious guilt-by-association ad accuses a Democrat of marching with a pro-defunding progressive group without providing evidence of the supposed marching and without noting that the event in question was a local “Fun Fest” that took place nearly three years before the group endorsed defunding.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html

In short, Repubs seized on an increase in crime all over the country during the pandemic to weave a duplicitous narrative combining falsehoods about cashless bail and "defund the police".........the mis-named idea that police violence could be mitigated by reallocating funds within police depts.........., to come up with the campaign slogan that Dems are soft on crime. In typical fashion, Dems have not created an effective counter narrative. In part because the simplistic messaging by Repubs requires complexity to refute.

Note to The Following: Attempts to dismiss the content of this post based on the sources used, without factual refutation, will be ignored.
You liberals got your way and it's turned into a giant steaming pile of manure, Berg! Crime is out of control in Democratically controlled cities across the nation and now you want to blame the "messaging" that's being done?
You're about to have your asses handed to you and you deserve every lost seat!
 

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So it’s about feelings and not facts


Ohhj

Just like the midterms are gonna be about feelings.

How are you going to feel if the Dems lose the senate?
 

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