I invite anyone who believes the admin's allegations against Garcia to read this article.

[Seymour Flops]

Respect for the constitutional rights of US residents in not grandstanding. It's a foundational principle on which the country depends.

This isn't Grandstanding?

He look like his human rights are being violated?

Did they talk in English or Spanish?

 

[berg80]

This isn't Grandstanding?

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He look like his human rights are being violated?

Did they talk in English or Spanish?

"The USSC is not going to get caught up in the political grandstanding some of the lower courts are engaging in."

FYI, Van Hollen is a senator, not a judge. Neither are grandstanding.

 

[berg80]

He look like his human rights are being violated?

Are you refuting the conditions in CECOT prisons that have been widely reported?

 

[Seymour Flops]

"The USSC is not going to get caught up in the political grandstanding some of the lower courts are engaging in."

FYI, Van Hollen is a senator, not a judge. Neither are grandstanding.

So going down to El Salvador to visit the wife-beating terrorist gang member was not grandstanding?

But, yes. Praise Allah, the lower courts are not yet sunk so low as to make a trip like Senator Van Hollen made.

Still, they have sunk so low as to issue orders that they know are unenforceable and not able to be complied with except at the cost of the safety of everyone Kilmar might come in contact with, especially domestically.

 

[Luckyone]

Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What Do We Know?​

On April 24, 2019—after nearly a month in custody—Abrego Garcia was taken to his removal hearing before Immigration Judge Elizabeth A. Kessler. His then-attorney, Chicas, applied for his release on bail. ICE opposed the application, arguing that Abrego Garcia presented a danger to the community because local police had identified him as a “verified” active gang member.

“I attended his bond hearing,” Jennifer writes in her declaration, “and was shocked when the government said he should stay detained because Kilmar is an MS-13 gang member. Kilmar is not and has never been a gang member. I’m certain of that.”

The allegation appears to stem from two documents that were introduced before Judge Kessler: a federal I-213 form (Record of Deportable/Inadmissible Alien), filled out by ICE, and a form generated by the Prince George’s Police Department, called a Gang Field Interview Sheet (GFIS). The latter had been entered into the Prince George’s Police Department database at 6:47 p.m. on March 28, 2019—about four hours after police met Abrego Garcia for the first time—according to Abrego Garcia’s recent complaint.

The government has not introduced either the I-213 or GFIS form in its defense of Abrego Garcia’s recent legal proceedings. The descriptions of those documents provided here are based on characterizations of them provided by Kessler in her ruling and Abrego Garcia’s current attorney in his complaint.

Apparently relying on the assertions of the I-213 form, which, in turn, apparently relied on the assertions of the GFIS, Kessler wrote: “The Respondent was arrested in the company of other ranking gang members and was confirmed to be a ranking member of the MS-13 gang by a proven and reliable source.” There is no factual evidence to support that conclusion.

But Kessler—even while crediting the government’s claim of gang membership—acknowledged that the two documents were, in at least one respect, glaringly “at odds” with one another. The federal I-213 form claimed that Abrego Garcia had been detained “in connection with a murder investigation,” while the GFIS form said he and the others had been arrested because they were “loitering outside of a Home Depot,” as Kessler wrote.

Kessler found that both documents were admissible in immigration court, notwithstanding the objection of Abrego Garcia’s then-attorney, Chicas, who protested that he’d not been permitted to cross-examine the detective whose accusations seemed to underlie both.

Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What Do We Know?

The allegation seems to stem from double hearsay in a document authored by a later suspended police detective.

www.lawfaremedia.org

I copied and pasted as much of the article as I think board rules allow for. There is more content worth reading.

Everyone can draw their own opinions. But at least they will be based on the facts. Not the spin the admin and RWM have put on the story.

As an aside, IMO, Judge Kessler she be disbarred for her grotesquely incompetent handling of Garcia's case.

Here are the facts about Abrego Garcia

25 Facts About Kilmar Abrego Garcia​

Having said that, our justice system does not allow someone to be found guilty of a crime without due process. As such, Trump had no right to do what he did NO MATTER WHAT the truth is (or is not)

 

[berg80]

So going down to El Salvador to visit the wife-beating terrorist gang member

If you are going to keep lying about Garcia, who has not been convicted of a crime, there's no point in continuing.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If you are going to keep lying about Garcia, who has not been convicted of a crime, there's no point in continuing.

You're calling his wife a liar?

 

[berg80]

You're calling his wife a liar?

Did she say he was convicted of a crime?

“After surviving domestic violence in a previous relationship, I acted out of caution following a disagreement with Kilmar by seeking a civil protective order, in case things escalated. Things did not escalate, and I decided not to follow through with the civil court process. We were able to work through the situation privately as a family, including by going to counseling,” Jennifer Vasquez Sura said in a statement to multiple outlets on Wednesday.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5255035-abrego-garcias-wife-statement-domestic-violence-protective-order/

Your record of being wrong about everything...........all the time.........remains intact.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Garcia was correctly deported.

AG Releases Police Records Detailing Garcia’s Criminal History

Garcia isn’t a “Maryland man,” he’s a member of MS-13 and an illegal, who is now back in his native country of El Salvador where he belongs.

thefederalist.com

Democrats prefer criminals, that's all.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You may be surprised to learn I don't think you'd get much of an argument on that opinion from those of us on the Left. As long as a court makes the determination as to whether the person has engaged in criminal conduct. Not a feckless moron like Tom Homan.

You may be surprised to learn I don't think you'd get much of an argument on that opinion from those of us on the Left.

That's all we got from the left during the feckless Biden/Harris failure.

As long as a court makes the determination as to whether the person has engaged in criminal conduct.

Entered the US without permission. Buh Bye.

 

[Lesh]

If you are going to keep lying about Garcia, who has not been convicted of a crime, there's no point in continuing.

You're catching on. Seymour is not a serious person. He's a lying Trump sycophant

 

[Lesh]

Garcia was correctly deported.

AG Releases Police Records Detailing Garcia’s Criminal History

Garcia isn’t a “Maryland man,” he’s a member of MS-13 and an illegal, who is now back in his native country of El Salvador where he belongs.

thefederalist.com

Democrats prefer criminals, that's all.

Well yeah...except for that court order that protected him from deportation to El Salvador...which is where he was deported to.

That would make that deportation....what's that word?

Oh yeah....illegal

 

[WEATHER53]

Is Van Hollen in custody?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Well yeah...except for that court order that protected him from deportation to El Salvador...which is where he was deported to.

That would make that deportation....what's that word?

Oh yeah....illegal

You run with that. It's a real winner.

 

[Lesh]

You run with that. It's a real winner.

It’s reality

You don’t like reality

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It’s reality

You don’t like reality

There is reality and democrat reality. In democrat reality hanging the next election on bringing El Salvadoran gang bangers to this country is a good idea. I support that. Not filling the country with drug dealing, human traffickers who like to beat women. But on democrats hinging the next election on the issue. Go go. Make this the 2026 central issue.

 

[Lesh]

There is reality and democrat reality. In democrat reality hanging the next election on bringing El Salvadoran gang bangers to this country is a good idea. I support that. Not filling the country with drug dealing, human traffickers who like to beat women. But on democrats hinging the next election on the issue. Go go. Make this the 2026 central issue.

Read this slowly

A court (I presume you know what that is) ruled in 2019 that Garcia could not be deported to El Salvador.

That’s fact.

You know where he was deported to right?

That makes that deportation ILLEGAL

 

[kyzr]

Read this slowly
A court (I presume you know what that is) ruled in 2019 that Garcia could not be deported to El Salvador. That’s fact.
You know where he was deported to right?
That makes that deportation ILLEGAL

True. But it is also a FACT that the reason the judge gave for not deporting him back to El Salvador is because of a RIVAL GANG, not because of the government. He is a citizen of El Salvador, he is safe in a very secure prison. He is home.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Read this slowly

A court (I presume you know what that is) ruled in 2019 that Garcia could not be deported to El Salvador.

That’s fact.

You know where he was deported to right?

That makes that deportation ILLEGAL

Looks like a real vote getter.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

True. But it is also a FACT that the reason the judge gave for not deporting him back to El Salvador is because of a RIVAL GANG, not because of the government. He is a citizen of El Salvador, he is safe in a very secure prison. He is home.

Since he was worried about a rival gang, it was an admission of gang membership. But this is going to be the centerpiece of democrat election strategy. Good.