Repubs are excellent at this sort of thing.

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If you want to understand why Repubs are competitive in elections (besides gerrymandering) despite favoring unpopular policy positions on just about every major issue, this post provides an explanation. In a nutshell, it's their unmatched ability to exploit the public's ignorance and spread disinformation on wedge issues.

DEBUNKING LIES ABOUT BAIL REFORM

Ahead of the 2022 legislative session, there has been an increased appeal from those opposed to criminal legal reforms to change certain New York State laws, such as the pretrial reforms that went into effect in the first half of 2020. Those reforms prohibited cash bail for certain misdemeanors and nonviolent offenses, so that thousands of individuals – all of whom are considered innocent of their charges until proven otherwise – could take care of their families, keep their jobs, and work with their attorneys to prepare their cases.

The calls for rollbacks to bail reform claim these bail law changes have caused an increase in violent crime across the state, stoking public safety concerns about the law’s impact. However, a closer look shows that these claims are either based on no evidence or on faulty data.

Fact-Check: Lies About Crime & Bail Reform
Analysis: What’s Really Driving Crime in New York
https://www.timesunion.com/news/art...-bail-reform-is-to-blame-for-gun-16333386.php

Fact-checking claims bail reform is driving increase in violent crime

During a congressional hearing in late June, Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, suggested reforms eliminating cash bail could partially be to blame for the recent spike in crime. Graham asked FBI Director Christopher Wray if he believed “one of the reasons crime is on the rise is that certain jurisdictions have basically eliminated bail?”

“You catch them on Monday morning and they’re out on the streets Monday afternoon,” Graham said.

While Wray did not directly answer Graham’s question, he suggested that “one of the causes of the violent crime spike are certain kinds of prosecution practices,” adding that “there’s nothing more disheartening to a law enforcement officer to see somebody that you worked hard to arrest promptly back out committing a crime again.”

Facts First: There’s no clear evidence linking bail reforms – which have been in place for years in some cities – to the recent rise in violent crimes. In fact, the majority of cities that have seen increases in crime have not eliminated cash bail. Many variables have contributed to the increases Graham is referencing but CNN has seen no evidence to suggest that bail reform is a major factor.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/politics/bail-reform-violent-crime-fact-check

As is often the case, the foundation for the disinformation being spread about the connection between cashless bail and increased crime is created from another steaming pile of horse shyte.

Fact check: The GOP’s dishonesty-filled barrage of ‘defund the police’ attack ads

WashingtonCNN —
Republicans have been running ads around the country that use a variety of dishonest tactics to try to create the inaccurate impression that the Democratic candidates they are targeting support defunding the police.

Some of the Republican ads simply make things up. Other ads falsely describe bills the Democratic candidates have supported. Still other ads try guilt by association, noting that the candidates have supporters who have called to defund the police but not mentioning that the candidates themselves have rejected defunding the police.

One particularly egregious guilt-by-association ad accuses a Democrat of marching with a pro-defunding progressive group without providing evidence of the supposed marching and without noting that the event in question was a local “Fun Fest” that took place nearly three years before the group endorsed defunding.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html

In short, Repubs seized on an increase in crime all over the country during the pandemic to weave a duplicitous narrative combining falsehoods about cashless bail and "defund the police".........the mis-named idea that police violence could be mitigated by reallocating funds within police depts.........., to come up with the campaign slogan that Dems are soft on crime. In typical fashion, Dems have not created an effective counter narrative. In part because the simplistic messaging by Repubs requires complexity to refute.

Note to The Following: Attempts to dismiss the content of this post based on the sources used, without factual refutation, will be ignored.
 
If you want to understand why Repubs are competitive in elections (besides gerrymandering) despite favoring unpopular policy positions on just about every major issue, this post provides an explanation. In a nutshell, it's their unmatched ability to exploit the public's ignorance and spread disinformation on wedge issues.

DEBUNKING LIES ABOUT BAIL REFORM

Ahead of the 2022 legislative session, there has been an increased appeal from those opposed to criminal legal reforms to change certain New York State laws, such as the pretrial reforms that went into effect in the first half of 2020. Those reforms prohibited cash bail for certain misdemeanors and nonviolent offenses, so that thousands of individuals – all of whom are considered innocent of their charges until proven otherwise – could take care of their families, keep their jobs, and work with their attorneys to prepare their cases.

The calls for rollbacks to bail reform claim these bail law changes have caused an increase in violent crime across the state, stoking public safety concerns about the law’s impact. However, a closer look shows that these claims are either based on no evidence or on faulty data.

Fact-Check: Lies About Crime & Bail Reform
Analysis: What’s Really Driving Crime in New York
https://www.timesunion.com/news/art...-bail-reform-is-to-blame-for-gun-16333386.php

Fact-checking claims bail reform is driving increase in violent crime

During a congressional hearing in late June, Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, suggested reforms eliminating cash bail could partially be to blame for the recent spike in crime. Graham asked FBI Director Christopher Wray if he believed “one of the reasons crime is on the rise is that certain jurisdictions have basically eliminated bail?”

“You catch them on Monday morning and they’re out on the streets Monday afternoon,” Graham said.

While Wray did not directly answer Graham’s question, he suggested that “one of the causes of the violent crime spike are certain kinds of prosecution practices,” adding that “there’s nothing more disheartening to a law enforcement officer to see somebody that you worked hard to arrest promptly back out committing a crime again.”

Facts First: There’s no clear evidence linking bail reforms – which have been in place for years in some cities – to the recent rise in violent crimes. In fact, the majority of cities that have seen increases in crime have not eliminated cash bail. Many variables have contributed to the increases Graham is referencing but CNN has seen no evidence to suggest that bail reform is a major factor.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/politics/bail-reform-violent-crime-fact-check

As is often the case, the foundation for the disinformation being spread about the connection between cashless bail and increased crime is created from another steaming pile of horse shyte.

Fact check: The GOP’s dishonesty-filled barrage of ‘defund the police’ attack ads

WashingtonCNN —
Republicans have been running ads around the country that use a variety of dishonest tactics to try to create the inaccurate impression that the Democratic candidates they are targeting support defunding the police.

Some of the Republican ads simply make things up. Other ads falsely describe bills the Democratic candidates have supported. Still other ads try guilt by association, noting that the candidates have supporters who have called to defund the police but not mentioning that the candidates themselves have rejected defunding the police.

One particularly egregious guilt-by-association ad accuses a Democrat of marching with a pro-defunding progressive group without providing evidence of the supposed marching and without noting that the event in question was a local “Fun Fest” that took place nearly three years before the group endorsed defunding.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html

In short, Repubs seized on an increase in crime all over the country during the pandemic to weave a duplicitous narrative combining falsehoods about cashless bail and "defund the police".........the mis-named idea that police violence could be mitigated by reallocating funds within police depts.........., to come up with the campaign slogan that Dems are soft on crime. In typical fashion, Dems have not created an effective counter narrative. In part because the simplistic messaging by Repubs requires complexity to refute.

Note to The Following: Attempts to dismiss the content of this post based on the sources used, without factual refutation, will be ignored.
If I still lived in an urban area, I would move out of it. Fifty years ago, going to a sporting event had minimal security and you could bring in a lot of food and drink without alcohol to the stadiums. The stadiums are like semi prisons now on how to enter them. Political agendas caused this. And frankly if the same ways still existed today as from back then with the attitudes we have, there would be mass exterminations of fans in those stadiums. this is what I do not forgive from lifetime politicians like Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Harry Reid before he died a second time and many others. They destroyed us.
 
One wonders if things would be different had a clever ad man for the Dems come up with the catchy term, "Repubs want to defund healthcare."
 
If I still lived in an urban area, I would move out of it. Fifty years ago, going to a sporting event had minimal security and you could bring in a lot of food and drink without alcohol to the stadiums. The stadiums are like semi prisons now on how to enter them. Political agendas caused this.
Political agendas or terrorist acts? I would argue most fans at sporting events feel safer knowing fellow attendees have been screened for guns, or worse.
 
One wonders if things would be different had a clever ad man for the Dems come up with the catchy term, "Repubs want to defund healthcare."


W and homO socialized health care


And then socialized health care mandated MFV
 
Wait so the whole "cash bail" reform thing only deals with certain misdemeanors and non-violent offenders?

No kidding.

It sounded like it was for murderers and rapists!

I wonder why the GOP tried to make it sound that way...
 
If you want to understand why Repubs are competitive in elections (besides gerrymandering) despite favoring unpopular policy positions on just about every major issue, this post provides an explanation. In a nutshell, it's their unmatched ability to exploit the public's ignorance and spread disinformation on wedge issues.

DEBUNKING LIES ABOUT BAIL REFORM

Ahead of the 2022 legislative session, there has been an increased appeal from those opposed to criminal legal reforms to change certain New York State laws, such as the pretrial reforms that went into effect in the first half of 2020. Those reforms prohibited cash bail for certain misdemeanors and nonviolent offenses, so that thousands of individuals – all of whom are considered innocent of their charges until proven otherwise – could take care of their families, keep their jobs, and work with their attorneys to prepare their cases.

The calls for rollbacks to bail reform claim these bail law changes have caused an increase in violent crime across the state, stoking public safety concerns about the law’s impact. However, a closer look shows that these claims are either based on no evidence or on faulty data.

Fact-Check: Lies About Crime & Bail Reform
Analysis: What’s Really Driving Crime in New York
https://www.timesunion.com/news/art...-bail-reform-is-to-blame-for-gun-16333386.php

Fact-checking claims bail reform is driving increase in violent crime

During a congressional hearing in late June, Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, suggested reforms eliminating cash bail could partially be to blame for the recent spike in crime. Graham asked FBI Director Christopher Wray if he believed “one of the reasons crime is on the rise is that certain jurisdictions have basically eliminated bail?”

“You catch them on Monday morning and they’re out on the streets Monday afternoon,” Graham said.

While Wray did not directly answer Graham’s question, he suggested that “one of the causes of the violent crime spike are certain kinds of prosecution practices,” adding that “there’s nothing more disheartening to a law enforcement officer to see somebody that you worked hard to arrest promptly back out committing a crime again.”

Facts First: There’s no clear evidence linking bail reforms – which have been in place for years in some cities – to the recent rise in violent crimes. In fact, the majority of cities that have seen increases in crime have not eliminated cash bail. Many variables have contributed to the increases Graham is referencing but CNN has seen no evidence to suggest that bail reform is a major factor.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/politics/bail-reform-violent-crime-fact-check

As is often the case, the foundation for the disinformation being spread about the connection between cashless bail and increased crime is created from another steaming pile of horse shyte.

Fact check: The GOP’s dishonesty-filled barrage of ‘defund the police’ attack ads

WashingtonCNN —
Republicans have been running ads around the country that use a variety of dishonest tactics to try to create the inaccurate impression that the Democratic candidates they are targeting support defunding the police.

Some of the Republican ads simply make things up. Other ads falsely describe bills the Democratic candidates have supported. Still other ads try guilt by association, noting that the candidates have supporters who have called to defund the police but not mentioning that the candidates themselves have rejected defunding the police.

One particularly egregious guilt-by-association ad accuses a Democrat of marching with a pro-defunding progressive group without providing evidence of the supposed marching and without noting that the event in question was a local “Fun Fest” that took place nearly three years before the group endorsed defunding.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html

In short, Repubs seized on an increase in crime all over the country during the pandemic to weave a duplicitous narrative combining falsehoods about cashless bail and "defund the police".........the mis-named idea that police violence could be mitigated by reallocating funds within police depts.........., to come up with the campaign slogan that Dems are soft on crime. In typical fashion, Dems have not created an effective counter narrative. In part because the simplistic messaging by Repubs requires complexity to refute.

Note to The Following: Attempts to dismiss the content of this post based on the sources used, without factual refutation, will be ignored.
If you want to understand why Repubs are competitive in elections (besides gerrymandering)
are you foolish enough to believe that only Republicans use gerrymandering to gain an advantage?
 
This thread is not about gerrymandering

Piss poor deflection


First line in the OP" "If you want to understand why Repubs are competitive in elections (besides gerrymandering)"
 
Piss poor deflection


First line in the OP" "If you want to understand why Repubs are competitive in elections (besides gerrymandering)"
Piss poor attempt at distraction. "besides gerrymandering" takes that out of THIS discussion.

THIS thread is about the fact that Republicans are "being less than truthful" about issues like cash bail.

If you want to talk about gerrymandering you ought to start a thread on it
 
Piss poor attempt at distraction. "besides gerrymandering" takes that out of THIS discussion.

THIS thread is about the fact that Republicans are "being less than truthful" about issues like cash bail.

If you want to talk about gerrymandering you ought to start a thread on it
THIS thread is about the fact that Republicans are "being less than truthful"


Moron

the thread STARTS with the OP being les than truthful.

why pay attention to anything he wrote after that?
 
You are attempting pathetic spin like the pathetic hack you are.

It's the typical progressive hubris "People are too dumb to realize how awesome our ideas are"
That's not what the thread is about. But you already knew that. You don't want to talk about what the thread actually asserts. I know why.
 

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