Repubs are excellent at this sort of thing.

[berg80]

the thread STARTS with the OP being les than truthful.

A claim you have not substantiated. But it does afford you the opportunity to ignore the substance of the thread. Good for you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If you want to understand why Repubs are competitive in elections (besides gerrymandering) despite favoring unpopular policy positions on just about every major issue, this post provides an explanation. In a nutshell, it's their unmatched ability to exploit the public's ignorance and spread disinformation on wedge issues.

DEBUNKING LIES ABOUT BAIL REFORM

Ahead of the 2022 legislative session, there has been an increased appeal from those opposed to criminal legal reforms to change certain New York State laws, such as the pretrial reforms that went into effect in the first half of 2020. Those reforms prohibited cash bail for certain misdemeanors and nonviolent offenses, so that thousands of individuals – all of whom are considered innocent of their charges until proven otherwise – could take care of their families, keep their jobs, and work with their attorneys to prepare their cases.

The calls for rollbacks to bail reform claim these bail law changes have caused an increase in violent crime across the state, stoking public safety concerns about the law’s impact. However, a closer look shows that these claims are either based on no evidence or on faulty data.
Fact-Check: Lies About Crime & Bail Reform
Analysis: What’s Really Driving Crime in New York
https://www.timesunion.com/news/art...-bail-reform-is-to-blame-for-gun-16333386.php

Fact-checking claims bail reform is driving increase in violent crime

During a congressional hearing in late June, Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, suggested reforms eliminating cash bail could partially be to blame for the recent spike in crime. Graham asked FBI Director Christopher Wray if he believed “one of the reasons crime is on the rise is that certain jurisdictions have basically eliminated bail?”

“You catch them on Monday morning and they’re out on the streets Monday afternoon,” Graham said.

While Wray did not directly answer Graham’s question, he suggested that “one of the causes of the violent crime spike are certain kinds of prosecution practices,” adding that “there’s nothing more disheartening to a law enforcement officer to see somebody that you worked hard to arrest promptly back out committing a crime again.”

Facts First: There’s no clear evidence linking bail reforms – which have been in place for years in some cities – to the recent rise in violent crimes. In fact, the majority of cities that have seen increases in crime have not eliminated cash bail. Many variables have contributed to the increases Graham is referencing but CNN has seen no evidence to suggest that bail reform is a major factor.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/politics/bail-reform-violent-crime-fact-check

As is often the case, the foundation for the disinformation being spread about the connection between cashless bail and increased crime is created from another steaming pile of horse shyte.

Fact check: The GOP’s dishonesty-filled barrage of ‘defund the police’ attack ads

WashingtonCNN —
Republicans have been running ads around the country that use a variety of dishonest tactics to try to create the inaccurate impression that the Democratic candidates they are targeting support defunding the police.

Some of the Republican ads simply make things up. Other ads falsely describe bills the Democratic candidates have supported. Still other ads try guilt by association, noting that the candidates have supporters who have called to defund the police but not mentioning that the candidates themselves have rejected defunding the police.

One particularly egregious guilt-by-association ad accuses a Democrat of marching with a pro-defunding progressive group without providing evidence of the supposed marching and without noting that the event in question was a local “Fun Fest” that took place nearly three years before the group endorsed defunding.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html

In short, Repubs seized on an increase in crime all over the country during the pandemic to weave a duplicitous narrative combining falsehoods about cashless bail and "defund the police".........the mis-named idea that police violence could be mitigated by reallocating funds within police depts.........., to come up with the campaign slogan that Dems are soft on crime. In typical fashion, Dems have not created an effective counter narrative. In part because the simplistic messaging by Repubs requires complexity to refute.

Note to The Following: Attempts to dismiss the content of this post based on the sources used, without factual refutation, will be ignored.

In a nutshell, it's their unmatched ability to exploit the public's ignorance and spread disinformation on wedge issues.

Bail reform wouldn't be an issue if there weren't endless stories about horrific crimes committed by perps who were "arrested 12 times in the last year".

 

[berg80]

What I'm not seeing from The Following is push back on the proof I provided that Repubs are intentionally misrepresenting the impact of cashless bail. Like this.........

What role do local jails play in mass incarceration?

There are 700,000 people in jail on any given day, and there are 1.2 million people in prison. What is overlooked is the number of people who are admitted to jail annually, which is roughly around 10 million jail admissions. Another important distinction between the jail population and the prison population is that, of the people who are held in jail, about two-thirds of them are being held pretrial. That means they haven’t been convicted of a crime and they’re innocent unless they’re proven to be guilty.

Roughly 75 percent of those individuals are there for what we would consider less-serious nonviolent offenses. Then you start to look at the racial and ethnic disparities, and that’s also quite alarming — people of color are overrepresented in the jail population three to four times what they are in the population.

Local jails are helping drive America’s mass incarceration problem

The majority of people sitting in local jails haven’t been convicted of a crime.

www.vox.com

 

[berg80]

In a nutshell, it's their unmatched ability to exploit the public's ignorance and spread disinformation on wedge issues.

Bail reform wouldn't be an issue if there weren't endless stories about horrific crimes committed by perps who were "arrested 12 times in the last year".

That contention is unsupported by the facts. But thanks for proving my point that misinformation is having an effect on what voters believe.

 

[hadit]

If you want to understand why Repubs are competitive in elections (besides gerrymandering) despite favoring unpopular policy positions on just about every major issue, this post provides an explanation. In a nutshell, it's their unmatched ability to exploit the public's ignorance and spread disinformation on wedge issues.

DEBUNKING LIES ABOUT BAIL REFORM

Ahead of the 2022 legislative session, there has been an increased appeal from those opposed to criminal legal reforms to change certain New York State laws, such as the pretrial reforms that went into effect in the first half of 2020. Those reforms prohibited cash bail for certain misdemeanors and nonviolent offenses, so that thousands of individuals – all of whom are considered innocent of their charges until proven otherwise – could take care of their families, keep their jobs, and work with their attorneys to prepare their cases.

The calls for rollbacks to bail reform claim these bail law changes have caused an increase in violent crime across the state, stoking public safety concerns about the law’s impact. However, a closer look shows that these claims are either based on no evidence or on faulty data.
Fact-Check: Lies About Crime & Bail Reform
Analysis: What’s Really Driving Crime in New York
https://www.timesunion.com/news/art...-bail-reform-is-to-blame-for-gun-16333386.php

Fact-checking claims bail reform is driving increase in violent crime

During a congressional hearing in late June, Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, suggested reforms eliminating cash bail could partially be to blame for the recent spike in crime. Graham asked FBI Director Christopher Wray if he believed “one of the reasons crime is on the rise is that certain jurisdictions have basically eliminated bail?”

“You catch them on Monday morning and they’re out on the streets Monday afternoon,” Graham said.

While Wray did not directly answer Graham’s question, he suggested that “one of the causes of the violent crime spike are certain kinds of prosecution practices,” adding that “there’s nothing more disheartening to a law enforcement officer to see somebody that you worked hard to arrest promptly back out committing a crime again.”

Facts First: There’s no clear evidence linking bail reforms – which have been in place for years in some cities – to the recent rise in violent crimes. In fact, the majority of cities that have seen increases in crime have not eliminated cash bail. Many variables have contributed to the increases Graham is referencing but CNN has seen no evidence to suggest that bail reform is a major factor.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/politics/bail-reform-violent-crime-fact-check

As is often the case, the foundation for the disinformation being spread about the connection between cashless bail and increased crime is created from another steaming pile of horse shyte.

Fact check: The GOP’s dishonesty-filled barrage of ‘defund the police’ attack ads

WashingtonCNN —
Republicans have been running ads around the country that use a variety of dishonest tactics to try to create the inaccurate impression that the Democratic candidates they are targeting support defunding the police.

Some of the Republican ads simply make things up. Other ads falsely describe bills the Democratic candidates have supported. Still other ads try guilt by association, noting that the candidates have supporters who have called to defund the police but not mentioning that the candidates themselves have rejected defunding the police.

One particularly egregious guilt-by-association ad accuses a Democrat of marching with a pro-defunding progressive group without providing evidence of the supposed marching and without noting that the event in question was a local “Fun Fest” that took place nearly three years before the group endorsed defunding.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html

In short, Repubs seized on an increase in crime all over the country during the pandemic to weave a duplicitous narrative combining falsehoods about cashless bail and "defund the police".........the mis-named idea that police violence could be mitigated by reallocating funds within police depts.........., to come up with the campaign slogan that Dems are soft on crime. In typical fashion, Dems have not created an effective counter narrative. In part because the simplistic messaging by Repubs requires complexity to refute.

Note to The Following: Attempts to dismiss the content of this post based on the sources used, without factual refutation, will be ignored.

When democrats run ads claiming the SC outlawed abortion, they're not in a good position to complain about lies. Face reality, you're describing an election season and most voters are simply not paying attention, which is why so many of them end up mistakenly voting democrat.

 

[berg80]

Try Googling and then reading.........

The Harmful and Lasting Effects of Pretrial Detention​

 

[berg80]

When democrats run ads claiming the SC outlawed abortion, they're not in a good position to complain about lies.

I don't have time to verify every claim made so please provide proof.

 

[berg80]

Notably............

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie defends bail reform

Bail reform news from Masachusetts to Arizona.

www.cleveland.com

 

[berg80]

State bail reform and coronavirus-related releases from city jails are not driving this year’s surge in shootings, the NYPD’s own data shows — despite the insistence of department brass to the contrary.

“It’s bail reform. It’s COVID. It’s emptying out prisons,” Commissioner Dermot Shea — who’s credited with developing the department’s data-driven policing model — said as he attempted last week to explain the troubling rise in gun violence across the city.

While the surge in gunplay is undeniable, a Post analysis of department data found that most people released under the criminal justice reforms or amid the pandemic had no known ties to the bloodshed — with criminal justice experts saying the cops should focus on the flow of illegal guns into the city instead of playing the “blame game.”

NYPD’s own stats debunk claims of bail reform leading to spike in gun violence

State bail reform and coronavirus-related releases from city jails are not driving this year’s surge in shootings, the NYPD’s own data shows — despite the insistence of department brass…

nypost.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That contention is unsupported by the facts. But thanks for proving my point that misinformation is having an effect on what voters believe.

I see those stories every day. Is the liberal press lying about the criminal records of criminals?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Try Googling and then reading.........

The Harmful and Lasting Effects of Pretrial Detention​

Thanks for the link.

I didn't see, "the criminal can't commit more crimes while they are detained".

 

[berg80]

A federally mandated change in the misdemeanor bail policy of Harris County, Texas, has resulted in fewer low-level offenders in jail and improved public safety, according to a new study.

The bail reforms in the county that includes Houston, ordered five years ago as part of a consent decree, have resulted in a 13% increase in people released within the first 24 hours of a misdemeanor arrest and a 6% decrease in new prosecutions over the three years following arrest, indicating that releasing these defendants doesn’t increase recidivism, according to the study by the Quattrone Center for the Fair Administration of Justice at the University of Pennsylvania.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[berg80]

I see those stories every day. Is the liberal press lying about the criminal records of criminals?

Are there anecdotal stories about people out on bail committing another crime? Yes. Is there evidence bail reform has caused an increase in crime? No.

 

[martybegan]

That's not what the thread is about. But you already knew that. You don't want to talk about what the thread actually asserts. I know why.

Your threads are always about parroting SJW tropes, presenting opinion pieces as fact, and denying reality like a good little SJW lemming.

 

[berg80]

Machine Bias​

There’s software used across the country to predict future criminals. And it’s biased against blacks.​

Machine Bias

There’s software used across the country to predict future criminals. And it’s biased against blacks.

www.propublica.org

 

[berg80]

Your threads are always about parroting SJW tropes, presenting opinion pieces as fact, and denying reality like a good little SJW lemming.

Your posts are always about making unsubstantiated claims without offering a shred of evidence.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

When did the Democrats ever stop gerrymandering?
The Democrats gerrymandered Texas for the 140 years that they controlled the state legislator.

 

[Auld Phart]

No.

How Republicans Use Redistricting to Their Advantage

Read the latest Data Dive.

www.democracydocket.com

How Democrats learned to stop worrying and love the gerrymander

Republicans tilted the House map. Democrats are clawing their way back.

www.vox.com

 

[berg80]

In 2019 there were 7,571 inmate deaths in 500 jails across America. Of those deaths, 4,998 were inmates who had not been convicted of the charges for which were being held.

Dying Inside: The Hidden Crisis in America’s Jails

A Reuters investigation documents deaths in jails across the U.S., showing how lax oversight and poor healthcare have put thousands in peril.

www.reuters.com

 

[Auld Phart]

When did the Democrats ever stop gerrymandering?
The Democrats gerrymandered Texas for the 140 years that they controlled the state legislator.

They CREATED gerrymandering