Republicans offer fraudulent tax reform, the alleged FairTax

[johnwk]

And Neal Boortz, when trying to sell the fairtax book on his talk show, would cut off any caller who would challenge him as to what the alleged fairtax would actually do. The truth is his book misrepresents what the actual legislation would do.

 

[johnwk]

/----/ "that would, if adopted, strengthen and enlarge the federal government's taxing authority"
If it actually did that, then demoicRATs would line up to vote for it.

What part of your anatomy do you use for thinking? If the Democrat Pary Leadership lined up to vote for the "fairtax", commonsense thinking people would realize it's not intended to be good for the people, but rather, it would further enslave them and enlarge the power of government.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Have you studied H.R.25 (the legislative language of the FairTax Act) 2023-24? I have, and if adopted it:

creates an entirely new tax, a 23 percent tax on articles of consumption, and on “taxable property”;

creates two new tax collecting agencies, an “Excise Tax Bureau” and the “Sales Tax Bureau", in addition to keeping the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms alive, which will also be collecting taxes.

Imposes the new 23% “FairTax” on American citizens and businesses while Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes on “incomes” remains fully intact;

requires taxpayers to file Fair Tax returns twelve times a year;

requires ordinary working people to register with government in order to exercise a fundamental right of mankind . . . selling the property each has in their own labor;

requires ordinary people to become tax collectors for government;

requires taxpayers to keep whatever records Congress may dream up;

allows Congress to lay and collect countless “excise taxes” which members of Congress may dream up, and are calculated from profits, gains and other incomes;

and creates a new entitlement, the “Family Consumption Allowance” [a monthly government check sent to every “qualified family” in the U.S.] that would become another political partisan wedge-issue used during election time to buy votes.


Why on earth would any politician, regardless of their political party affiliation, support this rope-a-dope proposal which enlarges and strengthens the federal government’s iron taxing grip around their constituents’ necks?

Well you don't have to worry about it since it will never go through.

I don't care for the bill myself, but I like the idea of having more people pay income taxes that never have in the past.

My idea would be to have a consumption tax to cover deficit spending. Let's say 5 cents on dollar. If Congress spends more than that, we up the tax to 7 cents on the dollar. Up it again, and the consumption tax once again increases.

IMO we have two problems right now: people don't give a shit about congressional spending and pork because it doesn't affect their lives one bit, and politicians that are pushing us towards bankruptcy faster and faster every year. If we all had to pay for the spending, that would change a lot of attitudes about how our Congress spends.

That's what I'd love to see done.

 

[Indeependent]

The Bill sucks.

 

[Cellblock2429]

What part of your anatomy do you use for thinking? If the Democrat Pary Leadership lined up to vote for the "fairtax", commonsense thinking people would realize it's not intended to be good for the people, but rather, it would further enslave them and enlarge the power of government.

/——-/ May I have some ranch dressing with that word salad?

 

[johnwk]

Well you don't have to worry about it since it will never go through.

I don't care for the bill myself, but I like the idea of having more people pay income taxes that never have in the past.

My idea would be to have a consumption tax to cover deficit spending. Let's say 5 cents on dollar. If Congress spends more than that, we up the tax to 7 cents on the dollar. Up it again, and the consumption tax once again increases.

IMO we have two problems right now: people don't give a shit about congressional spending and pork because it doesn't affect their lives one bit, and politicians that are pushing us towards bankruptcy faster and faster every year. If we all had to pay for the spending, that would change a lot of attitudes about how our Congress spends.

That's what I'd love to see done.

You never answered the question:

Why on earth would any politician, especially "conservative" Republicans, support this rope-a-dope proposal which enlarges and strengthens the federal government’s iron fisted taxing grip around their constituents’ necks?

 

[Cellblock2429]

You never answered the question:

Why on earth would any politician, especially "conservative" Republicans, support this rope-a-dope proposal which enlarges and strengthens the federal government’s iron fisted taxing grip around their constituents’ necks?

/——/ Obviously, it’s a good law, and you libs would see your stranglehold on the tax code vaporize.

 

[johnwk]

/——/ Obviously, it’s a good law, and you libs would see your stranglehold on the tax code vaporize.

What is obvious, considering your above unsubstantiated assertion is, you have never read and studied H.R.25 (the legislative language of the FairTax Act) 2023-24

If you really want to see our federal government's stranglehold on the tax code vaporize, you would support the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which actually accomplishes what the FairTax advertises but wouldn't accomplish.

 

[johnwk]

The Bill sucks.

Unfortunately, those who have not read and studied the Bill, are its most ardent supporters. Go figure.

 

[Cellblock2429]

What is obvious, considering your above unsubstantiated assertion is, you have never read and studied H.R.25 (the legislative language of the FairTax Act) 2023-24

If you really want to see our federal government's stranglehold on the tax code vaporize, you would support the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which actually accomplishes what the FairTax advertises but wouldn't accomplish.

/——/ Once again, when you propose a bill you add extra provisions that will never see the light of day, but are negotiating tools you can leverage to get it passed. It’s how negotiations work.

 

[johnwk]

/——/ Once again, when you propose a bill you add extra provisions that will never see the light of day, but are negotiating tools you can leverage to get it passed. It’s how negotiations work.

Thank you for inadvertently confirming you never read the bill, and really don't know what's in it.

 

[johnwk]

Once again, the “FairTax” is misrepresented. This time by Adam Hardy,​

Money.com, author of the following article:​

MSN

Adam Hardy, author of the article, asserts:

"However, the act proposes much more than dismantling the IRS, and the framework has been around for decades. In its current iteration, the Fair Tax Act would get rid of every type of current federal tax — including payroll, self-employment, estate, death and corporate taxes — and replace them with a nationwide 23% retail tax that happens at the checkout counter for new goods and services."

The truth is, the FairTax does not “. . . get rid of every type of current federal tax — .”

For example, under the alleged FairTax, the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, subtitle E (relating to alcohol, tobacco, and certain other excise taxes) is simply redesignated as subtitle C and will still be collected by the newly created “Excise Tax Bureau”, while the newly created “Sales Tax Bureau” will be collecting the new 23 percent tax on articles of consumption and upon “taxable property” which is also taxed under the alleged FairTax.

I know it takes time to dig through the weasel wording of the alleged FairTax Act, but those who report on it, should take the time to study it before making inaccurate statements concerning it.

Had Adam Hardy done his job and studied the Bill, he would have found “SEC. 302. ADMINISTRATION OF OTHER FEDERAL TAXES”…

(a) IN GENERAL. — Section 7801 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to the authority of the Department of the Treasury) is amended by adding at the end the following:

“(d) EXCISE TAX BUREAU. — There shall be in the Department of the Treasury an Excise Tax Bureau to administer those excise taxes not administered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

“(e) SALES TAX BUREAU. — There shall be in the Department of the Treasury a Sales Tax Bureau to administer the national sales tax in those States where it is required pursuant to section 404, and to discharge other Federal duties and powers relating to the national sales tax (including those required by sections 402, 403, and 405). The Office of Revenue Allocation shall be within the Sales Tax Bureau."

As I previously pointed out, contrary to Adam Hardy’s assertion, the FairTax does not “. . . get rid of every type of current federal tax — .”​

JWK

We are here today and gone tomorrow, but what is most important is what we do in-between and is what our children will inherit and remember us by.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Once again, the “FairTax” is misrepresented. This time by Adam Hardy,​

Money.com, author of the following article:​

MSN

Adam Hardy, author of the article, asserts:

"However, the act proposes much more than dismantling the IRS, and the framework has been around for decades. In its current iteration, the Fair Tax Act would get rid of every type of current federal tax — including payroll, self-employment, estate, death and corporate taxes — and replace them with a nationwide 23% retail tax that happens at the checkout counter for new goods and services."

The truth is, the FairTax does not “. . . get rid of every type of current federal tax — .”

For example, under the alleged FairTax, the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, subtitle E (relating to alcohol, tobacco, and certain other excise taxes) is simply redesignated as subtitle C and will still be collected by the newly created “Excise Tax Bureau”, while the newly created “Sales Tax Bureau” will be collecting the new 23 percent tax on articles of consumption and upon “taxable property” which is also taxed under the alleged FairTax.

I know it takes time to dig through the weasel wording of the alleged FairTax Act, but those who report on it, should take the time to study it before making inaccurate statements concerning it.

Had Adam Hardy done his job and studied the Bill, he would have found “SEC. 302. ADMINISTRATION OF OTHER FEDERAL TAXES”…

(a) IN GENERAL. — Section 7801 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to the authority of the Department of the Treasury) is amended by adding at the end the following:

“(d) EXCISE TAX BUREAU. — There shall be in the Department of the Treasury an Excise Tax Bureau to administer those excise taxes not administered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

“(e) SALES TAX BUREAU. — There shall be in the Department of the Treasury a Sales Tax Bureau to administer the national sales tax in those States where it is required pursuant to section 404, and to discharge other Federal duties and powers relating to the national sales tax (including those required by sections 402, 403, and 405). The Office of Revenue Allocation shall be within the Sales Tax Bureau."

As I previously pointed out, contrary to Adan Hardy’s assertion, the FairTax does not “. . . get rid of every type of current federal tax — .”​

JWK

We are here today and gone tomorrow, but what is most important is what we do in-between and is what our children will inherit and remember us by.

/——-/ If libs hate it, then we know it’s good law.

 

[johnwk]

/——-/ If libs hate it, then we know it’s good law.

What part of your anatomy do you use for thinking? If the Democrat Pary Leadership lined up to vote for the "fairtax", commonsense thinking people would realize it's not intended to be good for the people, but rather, it would further enslave them and enlarge the power of government.

 

[Cellblock2429]

What part of your anatomy do you use for thinking? If the Democrat Pary Leadership lined up to vote for the "fairtax", commonsense thinking people would realize it's not intended to be good for the people, but rather, it would further enslave them and enlarge the power of government.

/——/ If that were true, then democRATs would support the bill. They don’t, which tells us it’s a very good bill.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Unfortunately, those who have not read and studied the Bill, are its most ardent supporters. Go figure.

/——-/,democRATs never read any of the spending bills they voted for. “We have to pass the bill to see what’s in it.” - Piglosi

 

[Pete7469]

It's just politics as usual since both parties do it. It's like the Inflation Reduction Act that increases inflation. To a politician it's all in the title not the effect.

That's the fact of the matter. No changes the republicrats need to make will go though without a 70+ GOP Senate, a Pinochet in the WH, a media without screeching bed wetters terrifying the population, and helicopters launching ANTIFA turds out into the Hudson Bay.
I liked what I used to hear about the Fair Tax from Neal Boortz 20 years ago, but I do not trust our current political whores to enact something that isn't worse than the shit sandwich we have now.

Hopefully Cthulhu wakes up soon and solves our problems for us. Then we can rely on strange women lying in ponds to hand out swords to the new government.
.

 

[Pete7469]

/——-/ If libs hate it, then we know it’s good law.

The thing is, they will insert shit in there to make it unpassable, or unworkable if the legislature and executive branches change hands and the GOP has all the votes it needs.

The bed wetting media will grossly misinform the public unless it's a bigger shittier sandwich, and the billionaire donor class will crash the economy if they get stuck paying more as a result.

 

[johnwk]

I liked what I used to hear about the Fair Tax from Neal Boortz 20 years ago, but I do not trust our current political whores to enact something that isn't worse than the shit sandwich we have now.

The problem with what Neal Boortz was saying about the Fair Tax 20 years ago, when he was selling his book so he could pay for his plane, was never in harmony with what the actual legislation would do. Boortz was more interested in selling his inventory than telling the people about the evil nature of the proposed legislation adopting the Fair Tax.

JWK

Today’s Fifth Column media ___ Neal Boortz, Rolling Stone, Hollywood, MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, WASHINGTON POST, ATLANTIC MAGAZINE, New York Daily News, Time, in addition to Facebook, Google, Apple, Politico, Snopes, Fact Check… ETC., and countless Yellow Journalists who are socialist revolutionaries ___ make Russia’s old Pravda, [an organ of the old Communist Party of the Soviet Union] look like propaganda amateurs.

 

[johnwk]

The thing is, they will insert shit in there to make it unpassable,

There already is enough shit in the alleged FairTax Act to make it worse than what we now have. And what we now have is one of the evilest systems of taxation created.

JWK

When Federal Reserve Notes were made a legal tender in violation of our Constitution, and a direct un-apportioned tax was imposed upon the people without their consent, America’s free enterprise, free market system was subjugated, and the tools of oppression were made available to some very immoral and nefariously evil people.