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[postman]

Politician's wife Lucy Connolly jailed for race hate post

Lucy Connolly, wife of West Northamptonshire councillor Raymond Connolly, is jailed for 31 months.

www.bbc.co.uk

"The wife of a Conservative councillor has been jailed for 31 months after calling for hotels housing asylum seekers to be set on fire."

Again, calling for violence against people.

Do your research instead of listening to what you're told. Most of the arrests are for people advocating violence against people. Some aren't, but I doubt any of them got put in prison for it.

86 47 mean anything to you?

 

[postman]

Actually, I was in the process of getting lots of examples but you ended up proving my point all on your own. Good job.

There are certain elements of society that believe "offensive" speech IS advocating violence. They're able to twist the facts and skew the truth in such a manner as to suggest that regular speech is "dangerous." That's the point I'm attempting to make (to no avail).

This is where the problem comes from. You can take a room full of people, and tell them all the same thing. Some will ignore it, Some will think it's just talk. But sometimes one person in the room thinks its some kind of call to action.
And the speech is judged on what it provoked, and not what it actually said.

Even the "reasonable person" test fails, if you aren't addressing reasonable people.

 

[SaxonJackson]

This is where the problem comes from. You can take a room full of people, and tell them all the same thing. Some will ignore it, Some will think it's just talk. But sometimes one person in the room thinks its some kind of call to action.
And the speech is judged on what it provoked, and not what it actually said.

Even the "reasonable person" test fails, if you aren't addressing reasonable people.

Good post. I don't believe opinions and perspectives should be controlled by whomever is in power on a particular day. Unless and until an actual crime is committed, speech should be left alone. Even speech we disagree with.

I've never cared for Alex Jones. I did listen to him back in the 90s and I think he had some good things to say. He awakened me to the "Bohemian Grove" elites and some other rarely discussed facts but he could also be a total lunatic at times. I don't agree with his assessment of Sandy Hook but I believe he had the right to speak his mind on the subject. The moment he got severely punished for speaking his mind, the door was opened for ALL of us to be punished for speaking ours.

That's a dangerous or precarious place to be here in America -- a Constitutional Republic. Once the 1st Amendment crumbles, the rest is soon to collapse along with it.

 

[postman]

Good post. I don't believe opinions and perspectives should be controlled by whomever is in power on a particular day. Unless and until an actual crime is committed, speech should be left alone. Even speech we disagree with.

I've never cared for Alex Jones. I did listen to him back in the 90s and I think he had some good things to say. He awakened me to the "Bohemian Grove" elites and some other rarely discussed facts but he could also be a total lunatic at times. I don't agree with his assessment of Sandy Hook but I believe he had the right to speak his mind on the subject. The moment he got severely punished for speaking his mind, the door was opened for ALL of us to be punished for speaking ours.

That's a dangerous or precarious place to be here in America -- a Constitutional Republic. Once the 1st Amendment crumbles, the rest is soon to collapse along with it.

Free speech is something that should be based on "intent" and not on the actual language, because of both the inexactness English can have, like the same word, meaning opposite things, or having several possible meanings.

You have the danger that seemingly innocent words can be the trigger to a violent act. Just as often as violent words can be ignored completely. So the standard by which words are judged rings of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.