Republicans introduce joint resolution proposing Congress Term Limit Amendment

[Marener]

And there we go. It's not rights you are concerned with, it's progressive policies and bullshit that you care about.

And you showed that you don’t care about original intent, or the text of laws either.

Conservative jurisprudence has no principles. It’s Calvinball.

 

[martybegan]

And you showed that you don’t care about original intent, or the text of laws either.

Conservative jurisprudence has no principles. It’s Calvinball.

Says the guy who thinks women can have penises, and not prosecuting criminals reduces crime.

 

[Marener]

Says the guy who thinks women can have penises, and not prosecuting criminals reduces crime.

You aren’t textualists because you came up with excuses to ignore the text of the law.

You claim to be originalists, but when you don’t like the original intent, you make up your own.

There’s no principles here. Conservative judges just say whatever they want to get the outcome they want.

 

[martybegan]

You aren’t textualists because you came up with excuses to ignore the text of the law.

You claim to be originalists, but when you don’t like the original intent, you make up your own.

There’s no principles here. Conservative judges just say whatever they want to get the outcome they want.

Where have I ignored the text of the Constitution?

Where have I done that?

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Marener]

Where have I ignored the text of the Constitution?

Where have I done that?

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Well, the first half of the 2nd amendment for one. The made up “major questions” doctrine ignores the text of laws. It’s the idea that the law says it’s okay, but the judges don’t think it’s right so they stop it.

What’s a major question? Whatever the conservative judges say it is. There’s no rules.

 

[martybegan]

Well, the first half of the 2nd amendment for one. The made up “major questions” doctrine ignores the text of laws. It’s the idea that the law says it’s okay, but the judges don’t think it’s right so they stop it.

What’s a major question? Whatever the conservative judges say it is. There’s no rules.

The first half is about the right of the States to keep militias, the 2nd is about the people's right to keep and bear arms. It doesn't say the people have to be in those militias to have the RKBA.

The rest of your post is drivel.

 

[dblack]

I doubt that it will go anywhere, but this is the right way to do things.

MSN



They make it a 7 year delay to avoid any ex post facto implications.

Personally I would allow 12 years in congress, but this is a good start.

So at any given time, up to half of Congress will be lame ducks. Not sure how that helps.

Term limits are a band-aid - that will ultimately limit the quality of our representation, not enhance it. We very obviously have a problem with entrenched power in DC, but the solution is to undo all the structural barriers that Ds and Rs have erected to protect their power.

 

[jwoodie]

So at any given time, up to half of Congress will be lame ducks. Not sure how that helps.

Term limits are a band-aid - that will ultimately limit the quality of our representation, not enhance it. We very obviously have a problem with entrenched power in DC, but the solution is to undo all the structural barriers that Ds and Rs have erected to protect their power.

A band-aid is better than nothing. Do you really believe that the quality of our representation could go any lower?

 

[dblack]

A band-aid is better than nothing. Do you really believe that the quality of our representation could go any lower?

Unfortunately, yes. Term limits will attract unhinged populists with nothing to lose.

 

[TimFitz]

Next time read the fucking article. This is a resolution PROPOSING an Amendment you dumb fuck.

So? It’s a play to the right wing audience. Entertainment over real policy.

 

[martybegan]

So at any given time, up to half of Congress will be lame ducks. Not sure how that helps.

Term limits are a band-aid - that will ultimately limit the quality of our representation, not enhance it. We very obviously have a problem with entrenched power in DC, but the solution is to undo all the structural barriers that Ds and Rs have erected to protect their power.

It's the fix I agree with at this point.

Demands of perfection when presented with good enough are ivory tower wishful thinking.

 

[martybegan]

So? It’s a play to the right wing audience. Entertainment over real policy.

It's the right way to start the ball rolling, and doesn't excuse the fact you didn't even read the TITLE of the article properly.

Now go peg Biden while getting dildo'ed by Kamala.

 

[Marener]

The first half is about the right of the States to keep militias, the 2nd is about the people's right to keep and bear arms. It doesn't say the people have to be in those militias to have the RKBA.

The rest of your post is drivel.

Just two random unconnected thoughts next to each other in the same sentence.

Any other dumb ass illogical things you want people to believe?

 

[dblack]

It's the fix I agree with at this point.

Demands of perfection when presented with good enough are ivory tower wishful thinking.

Maybe.

I just don't see the value of kicking people out of Congress if we don't fix the broken electoral system. If we can't elect better, what's the point of kicking the bums out?

 

[Nobody911]

Arguments against congressional term limits are here:

1. Destabilization of Congress: Term limits could lead to a constant influx of inexperienced members, resulting in ineffective governance and legislative instability, as new lawmakers may struggle to navigate complex policy issues and relationships[1][2].

2. Voter Choice Reduction: Imposing term limits restricts voters' ability to choose their representatives, undermining democratic principles. Voters should have the right to re-elect effective lawmakers[2][3].

3. Loss of Expertise: Experienced legislators possess valuable knowledge and skills essential for effective policymaking. Term limits would prematurely remove capable lawmakers, leading to a decrease in legislative effectiveness[1][2].

4. Increased Influence of Special Interests: With more turnover, special interests may gain greater influence over inexperienced lawmakers, exacerbating the existing problems of lobbying and corruption[2][4].

sources:
[1] Congressional Term Limits | Pros, Cons, Debate, Arguments, Democracy, & American politics | Britannica
[2] Five reasons to oppose congressional term limits
[3] Term Limits: The Only Way to Clean Up Congress
[4]
[5] https://heinonline.org/hol-cgi-bin/get_pdf.cgi?handle=hein.journals/hjlpp16&section=22

Previous attempts to implement congressional term limits have failed due to several key factors:

1. Institutional Resistance: Proposals often face significant hurdles within Congress, being referred to committees that are not supportive, particularly those led by members who benefit from the current seniority system[1][3].

2. Lack of Political Support: Few lawmakers have pledged support for term limits, resulting in insufficient backing to advance proposals through the legislative process[1][2].

3. Constitutional Challenges: Courts have ruled against certain forms of term limits, deeming them unconstitutional, which has hindered their implementation[1][4].

4. Opposition from Career Politicians: Many incumbents resist term limits as they would lose power and influence, leading to minimal advocacy for such measures[1][2].

sources:
[1]
[2] Term Limits: The Only Way to Clean Up Congress
[3] https://www.wtamu.edu/webres/File/A...riminal Justice/PBJ/2009/1n1/1n1_06Rausch.pdf
[4] Five reasons to oppose congressional term limits
[5] WHY TERM LIMITS - U.S. Term Limits
[6] https://ecommons.udayton.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1582&context=udlr
[7] https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/...9477/ButcherJordan.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

 

[martybegan]

Just two random unconnected thoughts next to each other in the same sentence.

Any other dumb ass illogical things you want people to believe?

They are related, but nothing in the 2nd amendment says the People's RKBA is predicated on being part of a Milita.

Its implication is that the RKBA is NESSASARY for the States to be able to keep militias. All the 2nd amendment does is prevent the federal government from interfering in either.

And the 14th amendment then incorporates this preventing the States from interfering in it as well.

 

[Marener]

They are related, but nothing in the 2nd amendment says the People's RKBA is predicated on being part of a Milita.

Its implication is that the RKBA is NESSASARY for the States to be able to keep militias. All the 2nd amendment does is prevent the federal government from interfering in either.

And the 14th amendment then incorporates this preventing the States from interfering in it as well.

It indicates the purpose or intent.

But you don’t like that so you invented your own intent.

 

[martybegan]

It indicates the purpose or intent.

But you don’t like that so you invented your own intent.

that was the intent. You want to ignore the 2nd part because you want the State governments to be able to ban gun ownership.

What you should be advocating is repealing the 2nd amendment.

 

[Independent thinker]

I doubt that it will go anywhere, but this is the right way to do things.

MSN



They make it a 7 year delay to avoid any ex post facto implications.

Personally I would allow 12 years in congress, but this is a good start.

Like a lot of leftist policies which don't work becasue they weren't thought through all the way, I don't think term limits is the panacea many on the right think it would be. It sounds good on paper but I don't think it would work out as intended.

 

[martybegan]

Like a lot of leftist policies which don't work becasue they weren't thought through all the way, I don't think term limits is the panacea many on the right think it would be. It sounds good on paper but I don't think it would work out as intended.

It's better than the current situation we have now. I'd rather risk loss of experience than continue people making 50 year careers over being a representative or a Senator.