Republicans have this strange double speak about socialism and how it is defined

[TRFjr]

Socialism only works in countries that don't know what true freedoms and liberties are they have lived under tyrannical rule by kings and dictators for so long its in their DNA to be controlled and told what to do they are distended to be dependents they know nothing else

All socialism does is cause dependency it solves nothing all it causes is a two class system those that are dependent and those they or dependent on
but hey thats what Europeans are accustom too lived like that for thousands of years its in their DNA the dependent surfs and the lords they become dependent on just the lords have been replaced by government the elitist socialist

 

[22lcidw]

An attempt to eradicate all poverty is part of the socialism magnetism. So far it has been found in mature nations that a combination of capitalism and socialist policies works with the most compassion. Problems arise because poverty is not eliminated. Any successes on the socialist side leads the politicians to bring more in. Especially if the capitalist side leaves an area. Our constitution does not say a word about any system. Its say a word about taxes. Taxes and a currency. At the time it was gold and silver backed. Fiat currency causes great growth. But it also causes great falls. We become indentured to the massive interest we pay on the principal. That is where the rich get richer for not doig much of anything. Imagine if a lot of that interest if we kept the fiat way went back into the economy. Whats a Rothschild to do?

 

[TRFjr]

Capitalism has brought more out of poverty then any economic system ever those are the undisputed fact
Socialism is a hindrance to capitalism so the least amount of socialist programs (hand outs) a country is required to have the more prosperous a country will be
A prefect society would be one no socialist programs would be required one which every one is able to support and take care of them selves and family no government dependency is required
that is what we as nations should be striving for not to get more and more dependent on government which is what you liberals want

 

[MAGAman]

Uh no they are socialist. Either way, Bernie’s platform is based off Nordic policies.

Here's what Bernie said.

 

[francoHFW]

So you are a racist who believes certain races are inferior? Got it.

From now on, you don't even need to post anything. We will just assume that you will call someone a racist.

.

Try quoting the actual argument....

 

[francoHFW]

It's coming so get used to it, perfect chump of the greedy idiot Rich GOP.

Over your dead body.

Another brainwashed functional moron totally Dead set against Great vacations living wage Healthcare daycare paid parental leave cheap college in training good infrastructure, ID card to end illegal immigration, and mainly against taxing the rich their fair share. Totally misinformed and proud of it....

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism only works in countries that don't know what true freedoms and liberties are they have lived under tyrannical rule by kings and dictators for so long its in their DNA to be controlled and told what to do they are distended to be dependents they know nothing else

All socialism does is cause dependency it solves nothing all it causes is a two class system those that are dependent and those they or dependent on
but hey thats what Europeans are accustom too lived like that for thousands of years its in their DNA the dependent surfs and the lords they become dependent on just the lords have been replaced by government the elitist socialist

Actually they don't take any crap from their masters like you people do. They demand the benefits they deserve and they demand that the rich pay their fair share. Here you let the greedy idiot GOP rich get away with murder and you don't know what is actually going on, you believe their garbage propaganda.

 

[georgephillip]

Socialism is the Republican name for almost everything that helps all the people:

"Senator Bernie Sanders, the only avowed socialist in the Presidential race, delivered a speech on Wednesday that presented his brand of democratic socialism as an unthreatening egalitarianism, in the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Martin Luther King, Jr.

"He called it 'the unfinished business of the New Deal' and recited an 'economic bill of rights' that included the right to a living wage, health care, a secure retirement, and a clean environment.

"'Socialism,' Sanders quoted President Harry Truman as saying, in 1952, ' is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years.

"'Socialism is what they called Social Security.'

"'Socialism is what they called farm-price supports.'

"'Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance.'

"'Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor.'

"'Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.'"

The Many, Tangled American Definitions of Socialism

The rich would never acquire their fortunes without government supplied welfare in the form of tax and trade policies.

Socialism for the rich and cut-throat capitalism for the rest.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here's where Capitalism's free market started:

Slavery has been around for 10,000 years, shit for brains.

Slavery has been around for 10,000 years, shit for brains.

Now you know where US Capitalists found their seed money, right Loon?

Slavery Made America

"...(B)y 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States.

"In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.

Cotton, slavery and capitalism - Econlib

 

[georgephillip]

Socialism is the Republican name for almost everything that helps all the people:

"Senator Bernie Sanders, the only avowed socialist in the Presidential race, delivered a speech on Wednesday that presented his brand of democratic socialism as an unthreatening egalitarianism, in the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Martin Luther King, Jr.

"He called it 'the unfinished business of the New Deal' and recited an 'economic bill of rights' that included the right to a living wage, health care, a secure retirement, and a clean environment.

"'Socialism,' Sanders quoted President Harry Truman as saying, in 1952, ' is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years.

"'Socialism is what they called Social Security.'

"'Socialism is what they called farm-price supports.'

"'Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance.'

"'Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor.'

"'Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.'"

The Many, Tangled American Definitions of Socialism

The rich would never acquire their fortunes without government supplied welfare in the form of tax and trade policies.

Socialism for the rich and cut-throat capitalism for the rest.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here's where Capitalism's free market started:

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

Are you ignorant of logical connection between Capitalism and slavery?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

This may come as a surprise to you, but both slavery and capitalism are way older than America.

.

This may come as a surprise to you, but both slavery and capitalism are way older than America.

So are the wheel and double-entry bookkeeping.
US capitalists are still benefiting from a century of free labor in the antebellum South.

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

"Contrary to popular belief, the small farmers of New England weren’t alone responsible for establishing America’s economic position as capitalism expanded.

"Rather, the hard labor of slaves in places like Alabama, South Carolina, and Mississippi needs to be kept in view as well.

"In fact, more than half of the nation’s exports in the first six decades of the 19th century consisted of raw cotton, almost all of it grown by slaves, according to the book, which was edited by Sven Beckert, the Laird Bell Professor of History at Harvard University and visiting professor at HBS, as well as Seth Rockman, Associate Professor of History at Brown University.

"The slave economy of the southern states had ripple effects throughout the entire U.S. economy, with plenty of merchants in New York City, Boston, and elsewhere helping to organize the trade of slave-grown agricultural commodities—and enjoying plenty of riches as a result.

"'In the decades between the American Revolution and the Civil War, slavery—as a source of the cotton that fed Rhode Island’s mills, as a source of the wealth that filled New York’s banks, as a source of the markets that inspired Massachusetts manufacturers—proved indispensable to national economic development,' Beckert and Rockman write in the introduction to the book. '… Cotton offered a reason for entrepreneurs and inventors to build manufactories in such places as Lowell, Pawtucket, and Paterson, thereby connecting New England’s Industrial Revolution to the advancing plantation frontier of the Deep South. And financing cotton growing, as well as marketing and transporting the crop, was a source of great wealth for the nation’s merchants and banks.'"

 

[TRFjr]

Socialism only works in countries that don't know what true freedoms and liberties are they have lived under tyrannical rule by kings and dictators for so long its in their DNA to be controlled and told what to do they are distended to be dependents they know nothing else

All socialism does is cause dependency it solves nothing all it causes is a two class system those that are dependent and those they or dependent on
but hey thats what Europeans are accustom too lived like that for thousands of years its in their DNA the dependent surfs and the lords they become dependent on just the lords have been replaced by government the elitist socialist

Actually they don't take any crap from their masters like you people do. They demand the benefits they deserve and they demand that the rich pay their fair share. Here you let the greedy idiot GOP rich get away with murder and you don't know what is actually going on, you believe their garbage propaganda.

ok then you are saying Europeans demanded to be dependents like children relying on the mothers and farther to take care of them because they aren't capable to do it them selves they don't know how

see you just proven my point your proud of being a dependent so proud you demand dependency

see here in the US we try not to be dependent on others we want to be self dependent we try to take are of our own selves

 

[bripat9643]

Forced socialism IS slavery.

There's no such thing as unforced socialism.

 

[bripat9643]

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here's where Capitalism's free market started:

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

Are you ignorant of logical connection between Capitalism and slavery?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

This may come as a surprise to you, but both slavery and capitalism are way older than America.

.

This may come as a surprise to you, but both slavery and capitalism are way older than America.

So are the wheel and double-entry bookkeeping.
US capitalists are still benefiting from a century of free labor in the antebellum South.

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

"Contrary to popular belief, the small farmers of New England weren’t alone responsible for establishing America’s economic position as capitalism expanded.

"Rather, the hard labor of slaves in places like Alabama, South Carolina, and Mississippi needs to be kept in view as well.

"In fact, more than half of the nation’s exports in the first six decades of the 19th century consisted of raw cotton, almost all of it grown by slaves, according to the book, which was edited by Sven Beckert, the Laird Bell Professor of History at Harvard University and visiting professor at HBS, as well as Seth Rockman, Associate Professor of History at Brown University.

"The slave economy of the southern states had ripple effects throughout the entire U.S. economy, with plenty of merchants in New York City, Boston, and elsewhere helping to organize the trade of slave-grown agricultural commodities—and enjoying plenty of riches as a result.

"'In the decades between the American Revolution and the Civil War, slavery—as a source of the cotton that fed Rhode Island’s mills, as a source of the wealth that filled New York’s banks, as a source of the markets that inspired Massachusetts manufacturers—proved indispensable to national economic development,' Beckert and Rockman write in the introduction to the book. '… Cotton offered a reason for entrepreneurs and inventors to build manufactories in such places as Lowell, Pawtucket, and Paterson, thereby connecting New England’s Industrial Revolution to the advancing plantation frontier of the Deep South. And financing cotton growing, as well as marketing and transporting the crop, was a source of great wealth for the nation’s merchants and banks.'"

Any economic benefit the US received from slavery was destroyed many times over by the Civil War. Slavery retarded the industrial development of the South.

 

[bripat9643]

Scandinavian countries are homogenous in race and taught to work to contribute to the social safety net from birth.

Not entitled taking from the safety net provided by the working hands of others as in this country.

Agreed.

Having a shared identity is the only way to maintain a sustainable social safety net.

And a social safety net is NOT socialism.

.

I thought you were smarter than this. A social safety net is the DEFINITION of socialism Free market capitalism requires the abolition of all social safety net programs as a drag on capitalism.

Wrong. Government control of productive enterprises is socialism.

Like in Canada where they have all the benefits and a safety net? So many brainwashed functional morons so little time.

They still have private enterprise in Canada, and they pay well over 50% of their income in taxes. I question the so-called "benefits" of the welfare state.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism is the Republican name for almost everything that helps all the people:

"Senator Bernie Sanders, the only avowed socialist in the Presidential race, delivered a speech on Wednesday that presented his brand of democratic socialism as an unthreatening egalitarianism, in the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Martin Luther King, Jr.

"He called it 'the unfinished business of the New Deal' and recited an 'economic bill of rights' that included the right to a living wage, health care, a secure retirement, and a clean environment.

"'Socialism,' Sanders quoted President Harry Truman as saying, in 1952, ' is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years.

"'Socialism is what they called Social Security.'

"'Socialism is what they called farm-price supports.'

"'Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance.'

"'Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor.'

"'Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.'"

The Many, Tangled American Definitions of Socialism

The rich would never acquire their fortunes without government supplied welfare in the form of tax and trade policies.

Socialism for the rich and cut-throat capitalism for the rest.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here's where Capitalism's free market started:

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

Are you ignorant of logical connection between Capitalism and slavery?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

This may come as a surprise to you, but both slavery and capitalism are way older than America.

.

Capitalism is only about 300 years old. It started when the enclosure movement in England put an end to communally farmed land and divided it up into private plots.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism is the Republican name for almost everything that helps all the people:

"Senator Bernie Sanders, the only avowed socialist in the Presidential race, delivered a speech on Wednesday that presented his brand of democratic socialism as an unthreatening egalitarianism, in the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Martin Luther King, Jr.

"He called it 'the unfinished business of the New Deal' and recited an 'economic bill of rights' that included the right to a living wage, health care, a secure retirement, and a clean environment.

"'Socialism,' Sanders quoted President Harry Truman as saying, in 1952, ' is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years.

"'Socialism is what they called Social Security.'

"'Socialism is what they called farm-price supports.'

"'Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance.'

"'Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor.'

"'Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.'"

The Many, Tangled American Definitions of Socialism

The rich would never acquire their fortunes without government supplied welfare in the form of tax and trade policies.

Socialism for the rich and cut-throat capitalism for the rest.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here's where Capitalism's free market started:

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

And just like a good postmodernist operating by the "numbers" when you can't win an argument with fact or logic or even a modicum of integrity, you resort to accusations of racism, as your ideology demands. So typical; so damn predictable.

Are you ignorant of logical connection between Capitalism and slavery?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

So do you imagine these men are free?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

On the one hand, a liberal would say to a republican that we know socialism works because the Scandinavian countries' brand of socialism works. Repubs then say "those aren't socialist countries! They have private economies"

Um okay. They are socialist countries even though they have private economies. Those concepts don't have to be conflicting. They get that, right?

However, republicans will call those nations socialist depending on the context of the conversation.

A republican will say in a different conversation that Bernie shouldn't be elected because he is a dirty socialist who will turn the US into Venezuela. A liberal defending Bernie Sanders will say "No, Bernie doesn't want to end the private market system. He just wants to institute socialist policies that would require the population at large to benefit from the current overall system that we have. He also thinks healthcare and other critical institutions should be socialized or remain socialized. The Scandinavian nations have these same policies"......in response the republican says "THAT'S JUST LIKE VENEZUELA!"

No, it isn't.

That was a knee slapper billy

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism only works in countries that don't know what true freedoms and liberties are they have lived under tyrannical rule by kings and dictators for so long its in their DNA to be controlled and told what to do they are distended to be dependents they know nothing else

All socialism does is cause dependency it solves nothing all it causes is a two class system those that are dependent and those they or dependent on
but hey thats what Europeans are accustom too lived like that for thousands of years its in their DNA the dependent surfs and the lords they become dependent on just the lords have been replaced by government the elitist socialist

Actually they don't take any crap from their masters like you people do. They demand the benefits they deserve and they demand that the rich pay their fair share. Here you let the greedy idiot GOP rich get away with murder and you don't know what is actually going on, you believe their garbage propaganda.

ok then you are saying Europeans demanded to be dependents like children relying on the mothers and farther to take care of them because they aren't capable to do it them selves they don't know how

see you just proven my point your proud of being a dependent so proud you demand dependency

see here in the US we try not to be dependent on others we want to be self dependent we try to take are of our own selves

Absolute right-wing idiocy.keep voting against yourself and your family and friends, brainwashed functional moron perfect chump of the greedy idiot Rich GOP...

 

[bripat9643]

Scandinavian countries are homogenous in race and taught to work to contribute to the social safety net from birth.

Not entitled taking from the safety net provided by the working hands of others as in this country.

Agreed.

Having a shared identity is the only way to maintain a sustainable social safety net.

And a social safety net is NOT socialism.

.

I thought you were smarter than this. A social safety net is the DEFINITION of socialism Free market capitalism requires the abolition of all social safety net programs as a drag on capitalism.

Wrong. Government control of productive enterprises is socialism.

No it's not, but keep trying.

Yes it is, you senile old dingbat.

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism is the Republican name for almost everything that helps all the people:

"Senator Bernie Sanders, the only avowed socialist in the Presidential race, delivered a speech on Wednesday that presented his brand of democratic socialism as an unthreatening egalitarianism, in the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Martin Luther King, Jr.

"He called it 'the unfinished business of the New Deal' and recited an 'economic bill of rights' that included the right to a living wage, health care, a secure retirement, and a clean environment.

"'Socialism,' Sanders quoted President Harry Truman as saying, in 1952, ' is the epithet they have hurled at every advance that people have made in the last twenty years.

"'Socialism is what they called Social Security.'

"'Socialism is what they called farm-price supports.'

"'Socialism is what they called bank-deposit insurance.'

"'Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor.'

"'Socialism is their name for almost everything that helps all of the people.'"

The Many, Tangled American Definitions of Socialism

The rich would never acquire their fortunes without government supplied welfare in the form of tax and trade policies.

Socialism for the rich and cut-throat capitalism for the rest.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here is the socialist's conception of helping all people.

Here's where Capitalism's free market started:

Slavery has been around for 10,000 years, shit for brains.

Slavery has been around for 10,000 years, shit for brains.

Now you know where US Capitalists found their seed money, right Loon?

Slavery Made America

"...(B)y 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States.

"In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.

Cotton, slavery and capitalism - Econlib

If capitalism was dependent on slavery, then why didn't the U.S. economy collapse when it ended? Your graph shows that it kept right on chugging as if nothing happened. In fact, it even increased.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Not entitled taking from the safety net provided by the working hands of others as in this country.
So you are a racist who believes certain races are inferior? Got it.

I am an individualist.

Love Individualists of all colors.