Republicans have a poor understanding of economics. They should have no place in making policy

[Oldstyle]

Correct me if I'm wrong on this but didn't Barack Obama campaign back in 2008 that he had the answers to our economic problems and job losses and was going to "hit the ground running" to fix things as soon as he was elected?

So what happened?

I know you desperately want to blame the worst recovery from a recession in the last eighty years on the GOP, Dad but when the Democrats had control of the House, Senate and Oval Office...that's a bit of a "hard sell"!

The truth of the matter is that instead of concentrating on the economy and jobs right from the start...the progressives that dominate Obama's administration went after government subsidized health care...something that actually hurt job creation and dampened the economy.

To sit here now and blame George W. Bush or a GOP minority that was essentially "toothless" back in 2009 is testament to how badly your heroes have handled the economy for the past six years.

 

[zeke]

Correct me if I'm wrong on this but didn't Barack Obama campaign back in 2008 that he had the answers to our economic problems and job losses and was going to "hit the ground running" to fix things as soon as he was elected?

So what happened?

Oh it is such a mystery to you isn't it?

You ever heard of the "filibuster" and it's uses in this last and previous Congress? Check it out sometime IF you want to be educated. It got used a lot by the Republicans in the Senate. If you don't know much about it (filibuster) I think the Dems are gonna educate you on it soon.

And somehow, when Obama wanted to "hit the ground running" as you say, I seriously doubt if Obama had ANY IDEA of the amount and ferocity of the Republican opposition to doing ANYTHING that would benefit the country.
Repubs in Congress were only interested in doing something they thought would get them re elected by their crazy ass base voters.

But Obama still won, twice and the economy is still recovering without any help from Republicans and if this trend continues, you Repubs are royally fucked for the next Presidential election. And I love it.

 

[Listening]

Correct me if I'm wrong on this but didn't Barack Obama campaign back in 2008 that he had the answers to our economic problems and job losses and was going to "hit the ground running" to fix things as soon as he was elected?

So what happened?

Oh it is such a mystery to you isn't it?

You ever heard of the "filibuster" and it's uses in this last and previous Congress? Check it out sometime IF you want to be educated. It got used a lot by the Republicans in the Senate. If you don't know much about it (filibuster) I think the Dems are gonna educate you on it soon.

And somehow, when Obama wanted to "hit the ground running" as you say, I seriously doubt if Obama had ANY IDEA of the amount and ferocity of the Republican opposition to doing ANYTHING that would benefit the country.
Repubs in Congress were only interested in doing something they thought would get them re elected by their crazy ass base voters.

But Obama still won, twice and the economy is still recovering without any help from Republicans and if this trend continues, you Repubs are royally fucked for the next Presidential election. And I love it.

I find it almost hysterical that members of a party who just lost more house seats and 9 senate seats (almost 20% of their holdings), think that somehow the fickle electorate will come running back to them.

Obama won twice because:

A. You guys could not admit your Affirmative Action Failure of a POTUS was a mistake.
B. Obama smeared his opponent long and hard before the campaign ever got started (and they you morons post stuff about all the lies the GOP puts up).
C. The GOP simply isn't that organized.

I can't imagine how bad we are going to wax the floors with you when you don't have a novelty to run for POTUS (and Hillary is no novelty) and the GOP is somewhat organized.

Keep dreaming thought.

 

[Dad2three]

GWB was a moron.

Combine that with the senate/house leadership of 2006 and you can see why the country's economy got flushed.

Obama has been miserable in response.

Senat/House? Oh you mean when Dems took Congress in Jan 2007?

Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush’s President’s Working Group on Financial Markets October 2008

“The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007.”

There is a reason you are ignore asshole.

This has nothing to do with what I posted.

The damage was done (and Obama helped).

The Ringling Brother Circus got even bigger when Reid and Pelosi joined in.

"GWB was a moron.

Combine that with the senate/house leadership of 2006 and you can see why the country's economy got flushed."


YET you can't point to a SINGLE law the Dems passed once they came into office Jan 2007 that caused Dubya's great recession, lol

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Dad2three]

Correct me if I'm wrong on this but didn't Barack Obama campaign back in 2008 that he had the answers to our economic problems and job losses and was going to "hit the ground running" to fix things as soon as he was elected?

So what happened?

I know you desperately want to blame the worst recovery from a recession in the last eighty years on the GOP, Dad but when the Democrats had control of the House, Senate and Oval Office...that's a bit of a "hard sell"!

The truth of the matter is that instead of concentrating on the economy and jobs right from the start...the progressives that dominate Obama's administration went after government subsidized health care...something that actually hurt job creation and dampened the economy.

To sit here now and blame George W. Bush or a GOP minority that was essentially "toothless" back in 2009 is testament to how badly your heroes have handled the economy for the past six years.

"We crashed the economy but we don't like the way you tried to fix it." - GOP.

10+ milion PRIVATE sector jobs created under Obama since Obamacares passed Feb 2010

Dubya lost 1+ million in his 8 years (as well as 4+ million in 2009)


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

 

[zeke]

I find it almost hysterical that members of a party who just lost more house seats and 9 senate seats (almost 20% of their holdings), think that somehow the fickle electorate will come running back to them.

I would have found it more hysterical if Republicans HAD NOT retained and picked up seats after the "re drawing" of voting precincts to favor Republicans being re elected or elected.

When you've rigged the districts to assure a particular vote, I wouldn't crow about that as some sort of great accomplishment. Yea it was pretty slick to re draw that way, but still it's not like it is anything but playing politics.

You act like it really means something.

Why would anyone want to support a Republican? No ideas, no ideas and no accomplishments. No thanks.

 

[Listening]

I find it almost hysterical that members of a party who just lost more house seats and 9 senate seats (almost 20% of their holdings), think that somehow the fickle electorate will come running back to them.

I would have found it more hysterical if Republicans HAD NOT retained and picked up seats after the "re drawing" of voting precincts to favor Republicans being re elected or elected.

When you've rigged the districts to assure a particular vote, I wouldn't crow about that as some sort of great accomplishment. Yea it was pretty slick to re draw that way, but still it's not like it is anything but playing politics.

You act like it really means something.

Why would anyone want to support a Republican? No ideas, no ideas and no accomplishments. No thanks.

Please explain to me how we redistricted the senate.

Can we get any more excuses.

Can you explain why senator uterus lost in CO ?

 

[zeke]

Please explain to me how we redistricted the senate.

Fair point. All I can say is weak candidates and poor mid term Democrat voter turn out was a big plus for Republican candidates. True story.

After all, what were the ideas to judge a Republican candidate on when they all ran as just opposing Democrats?
Ok, that got them elected. Now what the **** they gonna do?

 

[zeke]

Can we get any more excuses.

SO do you agree that the Republican House of Reps members did benefit from the redrawing of voter districts?
I know in Ohio that John Bohner and Mike Turner both benefited. How about your state. No?

 

[Listening]

Please explain to me how we redistricted the senate.

Fair point. All I can say is weak candidates and poor mid term Democrat voter turn out was a big plus for Republican candidates. True story.

After all, what were the ideas to judge a Republican candidate on when they all ran as just opposing Democrats?
Ok, that got them elected. Now what the **** they gonna do?

Help make this happen.

Republicans in state governments plan juggernaut of conservative legislation - The Washington Post

 

[Listening]

Can we get any more excuses.

SO do you agree that the Republican House of Reps members did benefit from the redrawing of voter districts?
I know in Ohio that John Bohner and Mike Turner both benefited. How about your state. No?

There was no redistricting in my state.

 

[Oldstyle]

Correct me if I'm wrong on this but didn't Barack Obama campaign back in 2008 that he had the answers to our economic problems and job losses and was going to "hit the ground running" to fix things as soon as he was elected?

So what happened?

Oh it is such a mystery to you isn't it?

You ever heard of the "filibuster" and it's uses in this last and previous Congress? Check it out sometime IF you want to be educated. It got used a lot by the Republicans in the Senate. If you don't know much about it (filibuster) I think the Dems are gonna educate you on it soon.

And somehow, when Obama wanted to "hit the ground running" as you say, I seriously doubt if Obama had ANY IDEA of the amount and ferocity of the Republican opposition to doing ANYTHING that would benefit the country.
Repubs in Congress were only interested in doing something they thought would get them re elected by their crazy ass base voters.

But Obama still won, twice and the economy is still recovering without any help from Republicans and if this trend continues, you Repubs are royally fucked for the next Presidential election. And I love it.

So explain to me how the GOP was able to block the part of Barack Obama's agenda that was dedicated to job creation and fixing the economy...yet were NOT able to block the Affordable Care Act?

Do you not understand what the term "Super Majority" means?

 

[Oldstyle]

I find it almost hysterical that members of a party who just lost more house seats and 9 senate seats (almost 20% of their holdings), think that somehow the fickle electorate will come running back to them.

I would have found it more hysterical if Republicans HAD NOT retained and picked up seats after the "re drawing" of voting precincts to favor Republicans being re elected or elected.

When you've rigged the districts to assure a particular vote, I wouldn't crow about that as some sort of great accomplishment. Yea it was pretty slick to re draw that way, but still it's not like it is anything but playing politics.

You act like it really means something.

Why would anyone want to support a Republican? No ideas, no ideas and no accomplishments. No thanks.

You can only redistrict districts if you control State legislatures, Zeke. The GOP was able to do that because the voters in State after State made the decision that they didn't want progressives running their local government. Obviously quite a few people supported Republicans! In Massachusetts, where I'm from, it's rather commonplace for that very liberal State to elect Republican Governors. Why? Because they fix the messes that liberals create.

 

[zeke]

You know I did read something about those supermajorities and I know people like you have this fantasy excuse that Dems held this position for some time. But the didn't.

This writer of the below article gave a much better timeline than I could.
Check it out. You won't believe it

by Steve Benen
Since memories are short, let’s take a brief stroll down memory lane, giving Wallace a hand with the recent history he’s forgotten.

In January 2009, there were 56 Senate Democrats and two independents who caucused with Democrats. This combined total of 58 included Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), whose health was failing and was unable to serve. As a practical matter, in the early months of Obama’s presidency, the Senate Democratic caucus had 57 members on the floor for day-to-day legislating.

In April 2009, Pennsylvania’s Arlen Specter switched parties. This meant there were 57 Democrats, and two independents who caucused with Democrats, for a caucus of 59. But with Kennedy ailing, there were still “only” 58 Democratic caucus members in the chamber.

In May 2009, Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) was hospitalized, bringing the number of Senate Dems in the chamber down to 57.

In July 2009, Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) was finally seated after a lengthy recount/legal fight. At that point, the Democratic caucus reached 60, but two of its members, Kennedy and Byrd, were unavailable for votes.

In August 2009, Kennedy died, and Democratic caucus again stood at 59.

In September 2009, Sen. Paul Kirk (D-Mass.) filled Kennedy’s vacancy, bringing the caucus back to 60, though Byrd’s health continued to deteriorate.

In January 2010, Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) replaced Kirk, bringing the Democratic caucus back to 59 again.

In June 2010, Byrd died, and the Democratic caucus fell to 58, where it stood until the midterms. [Update: Jonathan Bernstein reminds me that Byrd’s replacement was a Dem. He’s right, though this doesn’t change the larger point.]

Wallace believes the Dems’ “filibuster proof majority in the Senate” lasted 24 months. In reality, he’s off by 20 months, undermining the entire thesis pushed so aggressively by Republicans.



Hope that helps clear your confusion.

 

[Dad2three]

Correct me if I'm wrong on this but didn't Barack Obama campaign back in 2008 that he had the answers to our economic problems and job losses and was going to "hit the ground running" to fix things as soon as he was elected?

So what happened?

Oh it is such a mystery to you isn't it?

You ever heard of the "filibuster" and it's uses in this last and previous Congress? Check it out sometime IF you want to be educated. It got used a lot by the Republicans in the Senate. If you don't know much about it (filibuster) I think the Dems are gonna educate you on it soon.

And somehow, when Obama wanted to "hit the ground running" as you say, I seriously doubt if Obama had ANY IDEA of the amount and ferocity of the Republican opposition to doing ANYTHING that would benefit the country.
Repubs in Congress were only interested in doing something they thought would get them re elected by their crazy ass base voters.

But Obama still won, twice and the economy is still recovering without any help from Republicans and if this trend continues, you Repubs are royally fucked for the next Presidential election. And I love it.

So explain to me how the GOP was able to block the part of Barack Obama's agenda that was dedicated to job creation and fixing the economy...yet were NOT able to block the Affordable Care Act?

Do you not understand what the term "Super Majority" means?

REALLY?

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data



Feb 2009
110,699,000 PRIVATE sector jobs

Nov 2014

118,112,000 PRIVATE sector jobs

AFTER 8 YEARS OF DUBYA/GOP 'JOB CREATOR' POLICIES WHERE THEY LOST 1+ MILLION JOBS IN 8 YEARS (AND 4+ MORE IN 2009)???


Barack Obama bests Bill Clinton's private sector job creation record

June marks 52 straight months of private sector job growth, the longest ever on record, beating out Bill Clinton's record of 51 continuous months of private sector job growth from February 1996 to April 2000.

 

[Dad2three]

I find it almost hysterical that members of a party who just lost more house seats and 9 senate seats (almost 20% of their holdings), think that somehow the fickle electorate will come running back to them.

I would have found it more hysterical if Republicans HAD NOT retained and picked up seats after the "re drawing" of voting precincts to favor Republicans being re elected or elected.

When you've rigged the districts to assure a particular vote, I wouldn't crow about that as some sort of great accomplishment. Yea it was pretty slick to re draw that way, but still it's not like it is anything but playing politics.

You act like it really means something.

Why would anyone want to support a Republican? No ideas, no ideas and no accomplishments. No thanks.

You can only redistrict districts if you control State legislatures, Zeke. The GOP was able to do that because the voters in State after State made the decision that they didn't want progressives running their local government. Obviously quite a few people supported Republicans! In Massachusetts, where I'm from, it's rather commonplace for that very liberal State to elect Republican Governors. Why? Because they fix the messes that liberals create.

GOP Memo: Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority

GOP Memo Gerrymandering Won Us The House Majority

 

[zeke]

You can only redistrict districts if you control State legislatures, Zeke. The GOP was able to do that because the voters in State after State made the decision that they didn't want progressives running their local government

Yep what you say is true. In Ohio the Republicans control the state legislature. Kasich had the good sense to not fight the auto bailouts (seeing as how Ohio lives and dies on the auto industry still) and he didn't fight the expansion of health care. He actually embraced it.

So yep, the Repubs in Ohio have taken some fine Democrat ideas and made them work for the citizens of the state.
And people support Kasich and he was re elected handily. Using the damn Democrats ideas. Pretty strange.

 

[Oldstyle]

Correct me if I'm wrong on this but didn't Barack Obama campaign back in 2008 that he had the answers to our economic problems and job losses and was going to "hit the ground running" to fix things as soon as he was elected?

So what happened?

I know you desperately want to blame the worst recovery from a recession in the last eighty years on the GOP, Dad but when the Democrats had control of the House, Senate and Oval Office...that's a bit of a "hard sell"!

The truth of the matter is that instead of concentrating on the economy and jobs right from the start...the progressives that dominate Obama's administration went after government subsidized health care...something that actually hurt job creation and dampened the economy.

To sit here now and blame George W. Bush or a GOP minority that was essentially "toothless" back in 2009 is testament to how badly your heroes have handled the economy for the past six years.

"We crashed the economy but we don't like the way you tried to fix it." - GOP.

10+ milion PRIVATE sector jobs created under Obama since Obamacares passed Feb 2010

Dubya lost 1+ million in his 8 years (as well as 4+ million in 2009)


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

You're such a scam artist when it comes to statistics, Dad...that it makes me laugh every time I see you trot one of your silly posts out!

Let's examine this latest one...shall we?

You count the "PRIVATE" sector jobs created since 2010? Why not private sector jobs and public sector jobs since Barry took office? Oh, gosh no! If you did an honest accounting like that, the number of jobs that have been created under the Obama Administration would shrink dramatically!

Then you count the 4 million lost in 2009 as W's? Why wouldn't those jobs lost belong to Barack Obama? Was Bush President of the United States in February of 2009? No, that was Barry. So let's tack on the 4 million jobs that were lost to his side of the balance sheet. Then lets tack on the jobs in the public sector that have been lost under Obama. Still want to claim that Barack Obama has created tons of jobs? Tell me what his NET job creation is for his six years in office, Dad! Be honest for once. Not jobs created in the private sector...not jobs "saved". How many NET jobs has he created since taking office?

 

[Dad2three]

I find it almost hysterical that members of a party who just lost more house seats and 9 senate seats (almost 20% of their holdings), think that somehow the fickle electorate will come running back to them.

I would have found it more hysterical if Republicans HAD NOT retained and picked up seats after the "re drawing" of voting precincts to favor Republicans being re elected or elected.

When you've rigged the districts to assure a particular vote, I wouldn't crow about that as some sort of great accomplishment. Yea it was pretty slick to re draw that way, but still it's not like it is anything but playing politics.

You act like it really means something.

Why would anyone want to support a Republican? No ideas, no ideas and no accomplishments. No thanks.

You can only redistrict districts if you control State legislatures, Zeke. The GOP was able to do that because the voters in State after State made the decision that they didn't want progressives running their local government. Obviously quite a few people supported Republicans! In Massachusetts, where I'm from, it's rather commonplace for that very liberal State to elect Republican Governors. Why? Because they fix the messes that liberals create.

How Republicans Rig the Game


Through gerrymandering, voter suppression and legislative tricks, the GOP has managed to hold on to power while more and more Americans reject their candidates and their ideas

Despite the fact that Republican Congressional candidates received nearly 1.4 million fewer votes than Democratic candidates last November, the Republicans lost only eight seats from their historic 2010 romp, allowing them to preserve a fat 33-seat edge in the House. Unscrupulous Republican gerrymandering following the 2010 census made the difference, according to a statistical analysis conducted by the Princeton Election Consortium.

Under historically typical redistricting, House Republicans would now likely be clinging to a reedy five-seat majority.

How Republicans Rig the Game Rolling Stone



Even if Democrats recruit great candidates, raise gobs of money and run smart campaigns, they face an uphill fight to retake control of the House in this year’s congressional elections, regardless of the political climate in November.
The reason? Republican strategists spent years developing a plan to take advantage of the 2010 census, first by winning state legislatures and then redrawing House districts to tilt the playing field in their favor. Their success was unprecedented.

In states like Ohio, Michigan and North Carolina, Republicans were able to shape congressional maps to pack as many Democratic voters as possible into the fewest House districts.


...It was only the second time since World War II that the party receiving the most votes failed to win a majority of House seats, according to statistics compiled by the House Clerk. Democrats gained eight seats but were still a minority.

GOP gerrymandering creates uphill fight for Dems in the House The Rundown PBS NewsHour

 

[Oldstyle]

You can only redistrict districts if you control State legislatures, Zeke. The GOP was able to do that because the voters in State after State made the decision that they didn't want progressives running their local government

Yep what you say is true. In Ohio the Republicans control the state legislature. Kasich had the good sense to not fight the auto bailouts (seeing as how Ohio lives and dies on the auto industry still) and he didn't fight the expansion of health care. He actually embraced it.

So yep, the Repubs in Ohio have taken some fine Democrat ideas and made them work for the citizens of the state.
And people support Kasich and he was re elected handily. Using the damn Democrats ideas. Pretty strange.

Care to take a stab at explaining why a Republican is sitting in the State House in Massachusetts right now, Zeke? Or another one is sitting in the State House in true blue Delaware? Why are liberal enclaves like THOSE electing Republicans to run their local governments?