Republicans have a poor understanding of economics. They should have no place in making policy

Progressives in power? LMAOROG

Weird, the US under PROGRESSIVE policies created the worlds largest middle class. Of course under GOP's assault the past 30+ years it's shrunk by 10%.

How much has the Middle Class shrunk under the leadership of Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi?

Weird you think an economy turns on a dime? PLEASE list the things that caused the middle class to 'lose' because of their policies, and PLEASE be specific?

Turns on a dime? Wow, we're past year six now, Sparky and the Middle Class is STILL languishing under Barack Obama's "leadership". Now they're going to be hit with the true costs of ObamaCare! Just when should we expect progressive policies to kick in, Dad?


Yes, Dubya/GOP 'job creator' policies put US in a HUGE hole Bubba, Thankfully after losing 1+ million PRIVATE sector jobs in Dubya's 8 years (and 4+ million in 2009), Obama has had US creating 5+ million NET jobs in his 6 years! _

Obamacares? Oh right the next thing Dems gave US the folks will be thanking US for, like SS, Medicare, min wage, labor laws, etc that the GOP fought!

Anyone with an unbiased perspective and a little historical knowledge would know that recessions are ALWAYS followed by recoveries. The fact that we DID lose 4 million jobs in 2009 should have had us expecting those numbers to rebound strongly coming out of the recession. Instead we had what is referred to as a "jobless recovery". The reason for that jobless recovery is first and foremost a lack of a viable plan to create sustainable jobs by this Administration. Instead of concentrating on legislation that would have put Americans back to work...Barack Obama went for the ACA...legislation that dampened the creation of jobs. His almost two trillion dollar stimulus was so badly implemented that his economic people were forced to come up with a new economic statistic to hide how few jobs they actually created...thus the "jobs created or saved" statistic that was born.


ONCE MORE, AFTER 8 YEARS OF DUBYA/GOP 'JOB CREATOR' POLICIES, WHY WASN'T THE US BOOMING? Why did they almost taking US to the second GOP great depression, ONLY saved by the SEVEN HUNDRED EIGHTY SEVEN BILLION stimulus, 40% which was 'tax cuts', yes, the stimulus was to small, only large enough to keep UIS out of the GOP great depression 2.0

Weird how the US leads the worlds economy, AS other nations followed much of what cons wanted, some forms of 'austerity'.

As far as recovery goes, perhaps the GOP should've worked WITH Obama?

BUT I THOUGHT GOV'T DOESN'T 'PUT PEOPLE TO WORK'? I THOUGHT THE MARKETS DID THAT???? LOL
 

where comps like Walmart, McD's, etc that can't, pay closer to the 35%.


Hmmmm.....maybe we should lower our highest in the world corporate tax rate?


OK one hit wonder, WHY? If those Corps can't move offshore AND the one who can pay a MUCH smaller (EDIT: ALL CORPS AVG 12% EFFECTIVE rate) tax burden??? lol


OK one hit wonder, WHY?

Why would we want to reduce taxes on corps that can't move offshore? Really? LOL!
If they can't move, we should raise their rate. What could go wrong? LOL!

Poor babies, they can't afford it? You realize they ONLY pay taxes when they profit right? lol

Poor babies, they can't afford it?

Can't afford what? 50%? 60%? 100%? LOL!

I'm sure a higher rate would incentivize more business creation, more hiring.

Welll LOWEST EFFECTIVE RATES IN US MODERN HISTORY, 12% THEY SURE HAVEN'T DONE IT. Perhaps hitting them at 45% or so might?

Perhaps hitting them at 45% or so might?

Why the half measures? Make it 90%.
 
Six American families paid no federal income taxes in 2009 while making something on the order of $200 million each.

If they lost $300 million in 2008, how much should they pay in 2009?

False premises, distortions and LIES the ONLY thing right wingers EVER have., Shocking

What is your explanation for their $200 million in earnings and their $0 tax payments?


I Didn't say that Bubba, AGAIN

"False premises, distortions and LIES the ONLY thing right wingers EVER have., Shocking"

You didn't say why they paid $0?
So why don't you say it now?
Were they friends of Obama?

Got it, you're a moron

Got it, you're a *****.
 
"Unfunded" tax cuts ?

What a f---ing imbecile

YES MORON, unless you cut spending to equate the loss in revenues (Dubya taking US from 20% of GDP to below 15%, which was Korean war levels, IT'S UNFUNDED. Instead Dubya/GOP ramped up spending!!!
 
"Unfunded" tax cuts ?

What a f---ing imbecile

YES MORON, unless you cut spending to equate the loss in revenues (Dubya taking US from 20% of GDP to below 15%, which was Korean war levels, IT'S UNFUNDED. Instead Dubya/GOP ramped up spending!!!
Gentlemen... GENTLEMEN!

A little decorum, please.

That's MISTER f---ing imbecile and MISTER moron!

:slap: :slap:

There- one for each of yaz.
 
The fact that we DID lose 4 million jobs in 2009 should have had us expecting those numbers to rebound strongly coming out of the recession.


LMAO. Sure dude. SO what else was lost during that same time frame the 4 million jobs were lost. Lets see.
People lost their homes. Yep, you may have heard something about all those foreclosures. But then again, maybe not.

What else. Well people who lost their jobs took out their retirement savings to live on. That is if they hadn't lost every bit of money they had bailing out of the markets when they collapsed. Did you read anything about the stock market collapse when Bush was still Pres? The outflow of money from the 401k and IRA's.

Of course all those home owners that didn't lose their homes, lost all the equity in their homes. Maybe you heard something about that? And many are still underwater on their mortgages. Yep, being under water on your mortgage sure makes you want to spend money.

When those that lost their jobs finally found work, the new job pays less than the old one. Yep that's a problem (lower earnings) when you want an economic recovery.

So people lost income, lost value in hard assets, lost money in semi liquid assets and you think that we should have rebounded much more strongly. And that somehow, all the money and equity and jobs that people lost is Obama's fault.

That's kinda strange thinking. How did Obama cause all that loss?
Actually, Zeke, if you put the beer down and read you would know that generallystronger recessions produce stronger recoveries. This is part of the business cycle, something a bar tender may have mentioned to you once.
Obama destroyed the business cycle with his unconstititional actions in bankruptcy and his absurd worthless programs.


'generally', GOOD qualifier, since this ranked near the first GOP great depression which ALSO took years to get out of. When those GOPers hose US, they do it well

Unconstitutional??? lol



Charts: What if Obama spent like Reagan?

How does government spending and investment during Obama's first term compare to Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush's first terms? The answer is poorly. Whereas total government spending dropped in 10 out of the 16 quarters that comprised Obama's first term, it rose in 13 out of Reagan's first 16 quarters, and 13 out of Bush's first 16 quarters.

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Or, to put it differently, over Obama's first term, falling government spending and investment snipped, on average, .11 percentage points of GDP off of (annualized) quarterly growth. During Reagan's first term, it added .68 percentage points, and during Bush's first term, it added .52 percentage points.


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The point isn't that Reagan and Bush were big spenders while Obama favors austerity. If it were up to Obama, the federal government would have spent much more since 2010. Moreover, these numbers are, in large part, functions of the economies the three men inherited. Each saw a recession in their first term, but Obama's was by far the worst, and so it led to much more severe cutbacks in state and local spending.

Rather, these graphs simply establish a basic fact about Obama's term: While deficits have indeed been high, government spending and investment has been falling since 2010. This is, in recent presidential administrations, a simply unprecedented response to a recession. Just for fun, I took Obama's GDP growth, netted out the effect of government spending and investment, and then added the total government spending and investment numbers — which include state and local government — from Reagan's first term. The result is a significantly better economy, with growth since 2010 averaging 3.2 percent rather than 2.4 percent.

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Basic economic theory would hold that you want a larger contribution from government spending during a big recession in which private demand is weak than you do during a mild recession or a healthy economy. But that's been the case in Obama's economy, and all signs are that the pace of government spending cuts will accelerate sharply over the next year.
Charts What if Obama spent like Reagan - The Washington Post
 
Weird, PRE Reaganomics ('free trade', Corp WELFARE expansion, LARGE tax breaks for 'job creators AS they sucked out nearly 300% of the pie than they had held historically, war on unions, etc) did the US wages of the bottom 90% stagnate or fall? Or did it grow? Were there high school drop outs then?


Third World countries. One of the things they all had in common was a small, very rich elite, small middle class, and a large lower class. They also shared very low economic growth as a result. This has been known for at least 50 years. The US has been going in this direction for at least the last 30 years as we have gradually de-industrialized and government policies (such as trickle down economics) have promoted the shift of wealth from the lower and middle classes to the economic elite


In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.

In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data Tax Foundation
Sad isn't it that more and more people become worth less and less every year?

Again, idiot. The fact that you are only worth $6.50/hour is because your only skill is flipping burgers. That is NOT Walmart's fault.


WORTH? lol

"The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it." Thomas Jefferson


"Unhappy events abroad have retaught us two simple truths about the liberty of a democratic people.

The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any other controlling private power.

The second truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if its business system does not provide employment and produce and distribute goods in such a way as to sustain an acceptable standard of living. Both lessons hit home. Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing."

- FDR - Simple Truths message to Congress (April 29, 1938).
No danger of that happening with Progressives in power...
The standard of living seems to be acceptable to the employees of Walmart, McDonald's Burger King etc. If it weren't, they would me sufficiently motivated to get the training and education necessary to promote themselves into a higher paid position.

Again, Walmart didn't make you drop out of school. Walmart didn't force you to refuse to learn marketable skills, but since you did, they will pay you what you are worth, just like you will continue to shop where you get the best value for your dollar.


Progressives in power? LMAOROG

Weird, the US under PROGRESSIVE policies created the worlds largest middle class. Of course under GOP's assault the past 30+ years it's shrunk by 10%.

C'mon, Ernie ... you know you're impressed.

This isn't just your average, run of the mill, everyday LMAO. This is a LMAOROG, for God's sake! You know that when it's a LMAOROG, that's the end of the discussion. Nobody can beat a LMAOROG.

Admit your defeat .... well, unless, of course, you happen to have a TSTKB (too stupid to know better) card, but be warned ... you only get to play the TSTKB card one time. So use it wisely, grasshopper ...

Submit to the power of the LMAOROG or gamble your TSTKB card ...a tough decision. Go to the top of the mountain, ponder your choices, seek counsel of Internet gods, and come back ready to submit to the power of LMAOROG!!


So NO, the miserable failure YOU are, you will not accept that Barney Frank OR the Dem Congress (which wasn't UNTIL Jan 2007), had ANYTHING to do with Dubya's cheerleading of the Bankster PONZI scheme.

Weird we elect guys like Reagan/Dubya who BOTH ignore regulator warnings, and are shocked that they don't 'believe in' Gov't OR regulators on the beat!
 
OK one hit wonder, WHY? If those Corps can't move offshore AND the one who can pay a MUCH smaller (EDIT: ALL CORPS AVG 12% EFFECTIVE rate) tax burden??? lol


OK one hit wonder, WHY?

Why would we want to reduce taxes on corps that can't move offshore? Really? LOL!
If they can't move, we should raise their rate. What could go wrong? LOL!

Poor babies, they can't afford it? You realize they ONLY pay taxes when they profit right? lol

Poor babies, they can't afford it?

Can't afford what? 50%? 60%? 100%? LOL!

I'm sure a higher rate would incentivize more business creation, more hiring.

Welll LOWEST EFFECTIVE RATES IN US MODERN HISTORY, 12% THEY SURE HAVEN'T DONE IT. Perhaps hitting them at 45% or so might?

Perhaps hitting them at 45% or so might?

Why the half measures? Make it 90%.

I'd save that for incomes above $100 million a year personal..
 
The fact that we DID lose 4 million jobs in 2009 should have had us expecting those numbers to rebound strongly coming out of the recession.


LMAO. Sure dude. SO what else was lost during that same time frame the 4 million jobs were lost. Lets see.
People lost their homes. Yep, you may have heard something about all those foreclosures. But then again, maybe not.

What else. Well people who lost their jobs took out their retirement savings to live on. That is if they hadn't lost every bit of money they had bailing out of the markets when they collapsed. Did you read anything about the stock market collapse when Bush was still Pres? The outflow of money from the 401k and IRA's.

Of course all those home owners that didn't lose their homes, lost all the equity in their homes. Maybe you heard something about that? And many are still underwater on their mortgages. Yep, being under water on your mortgage sure makes you want to spend money.

When those that lost their jobs finally found work, the new job pays less than the old one. Yep that's a problem (lower earnings) when you want an economic recovery.

So people lost income, lost value in hard assets, lost money in semi liquid assets and you think that we should have rebounded much more strongly. And that somehow, all the money and equity and jobs that people lost is Obama's fault.

That's kinda strange thinking. How did Obama cause all that loss?

Gee, all that bad stuff going on...and what was Barry's first goal as President? I'll give you a hint it wasn't to get those people in danger of losing their homes back working again! Hell, no! Barry's first priority was to pass ObamaCare...something that was going to dampen job creation.

How did Obama cause the "jobless recovery"? With his namesake piece of legislation...that's how!
 
Actually, Zeke, if you put the beer down and read you would know that generallystronger recessions produce stronger recoveries. This is part of the business cycle, something a bar tender may have mentioned to you once.



Tell you what their rabbit. But first. Did you get someone to explain your TIL to you yet? I ain't doing it dude.

How long did it take for a full recovery after the Great Depression?

Seeing as how our Great Recession was compared to the Great Depression, even to the point where people wondered if the Great Recession could become worse than the Great Depression, and considering the amount of jobs, income and assets that were lost, I don't think this recovery is going so slow at all. In case you missed it, a lot of the jobs that were lost went out of country. And they ain't coming back. Again, the replacement jobs have not paid as much as the jobs lost. That's a problem for a recovery. It isn't like people were laid off a 25 dollar an hour job and then called back to work. Their jobs were gone. The new jobs pay half as much, for example.

So I have read that the Great Depression wasn't fully recovered from until the start of WWII. It took a considerable amount of time to recover and that was with the government creating jobs along the way, so why wouldn't it take close to the same time frame again to fully recover?

Gee, Zeke...do you think there might be a correlation between FDR's unfettered Big Government approach to governing and a recovery that took forever and Barack Obama's unfettered Big Government approach and a recovery that's taking forever? In both cases supporters of Keynesian economic theory saw massive amounts of government spending as the way out of an economic recession and in both cases the recovery took forever.
 
The fact that we DID lose 4 million jobs in 2009 should have had us expecting those numbers to rebound strongly coming out of the recession.


LMAO. Sure dude. SO what else was lost during that same time frame the 4 million jobs were lost. Lets see.
People lost their homes. Yep, you may have heard something about all those foreclosures. But then again, maybe not.

What else. Well people who lost their jobs took out their retirement savings to live on. That is if they hadn't lost every bit of money they had bailing out of the markets when they collapsed. Did you read anything about the stock market collapse when Bush was still Pres? The outflow of money from the 401k and IRA's.

Of course all those home owners that didn't lose their homes, lost all the equity in their homes. Maybe you heard something about that? And many are still underwater on their mortgages. Yep, being under water on your mortgage sure makes you want to spend money.

When those that lost their jobs finally found work, the new job pays less than the old one. Yep that's a problem (lower earnings) when you want an economic recovery.

So people lost income, lost value in hard assets, lost money in semi liquid assets and you think that we should have rebounded much more strongly. And that somehow, all the money and equity and jobs that people lost is Obama's fault.

That's kinda strange thinking. How did Obama cause all that loss?

Gee, all that bad stuff going on...and what was Barry's first goal as President? I'll give you a hint it wasn't to get those people in danger of losing their homes back working again! Hell, no! Barry's first priority was to pass ObamaCare...something that was going to dampen job creation.

How did Obama cause the "jobless recovery"? With his namesake piece of legislation...that's how!

ALMOST 11 MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS SINCE OBAMACARES WAS PASSED? Jobs dampened??? lol


Fed 2010
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
 
Actually, Zeke, if you put the beer down and read you would know that generallystronger recessions produce stronger recoveries. This is part of the business cycle, something a bar tender may have mentioned to you once.



Tell you what their rabbit. But first. Did you get someone to explain your TIL to you yet? I ain't doing it dude.

How long did it take for a full recovery after the Great Depression?

Seeing as how our Great Recession was compared to the Great Depression, even to the point where people wondered if the Great Recession could become worse than the Great Depression, and considering the amount of jobs, income and assets that were lost, I don't think this recovery is going so slow at all. In case you missed it, a lot of the jobs that were lost went out of country. And they ain't coming back. Again, the replacement jobs have not paid as much as the jobs lost. That's a problem for a recovery. It isn't like people were laid off a 25 dollar an hour job and then called back to work. Their jobs were gone. The new jobs pay half as much, for example.

So I have read that the Great Depression wasn't fully recovered from until the start of WWII. It took a considerable amount of time to recover and that was with the government creating jobs along the way, so why wouldn't it take close to the same time frame again to fully recover?

Gee, Zeke...do you think there might be a correlation between FDR's unfettered Big Government approach to governing and a recovery that took forever and Barack Obama's unfettered Big Government approach and a recovery that's taking forever? In both cases supporters of Keynesian economic theory saw massive amounts of government spending as the way out of an economic recession and in both cases the recovery took forever.


ONLY in right wing world where they forget that FDR listened to the deficit scolds in 1937 and cut spending 10% and took US back into the conservatives depression
 
I can only guess you guys have not figured out that duddypeepee isn't worth it.

His responses come from a file folder that has one of 20 responses that represent nothing more than liberal spam.

When you put him on ignore, you can sort through the other posts much faster....
 
The fact that we DID lose 4 million jobs in 2009 should have had us expecting those numbers to rebound strongly coming out of the recession.


LMAO. Sure dude. SO what else was lost during that same time frame the 4 million jobs were lost. Lets see.
People lost their homes. Yep, you may have heard something about all those foreclosures. But then again, maybe not.

What else. Well people who lost their jobs took out their retirement savings to live on. That is if they hadn't lost every bit of money they had bailing out of the markets when they collapsed. Did you read anything about the stock market collapse when Bush was still Pres? The outflow of money from the 401k and IRA's.

Of course all those home owners that didn't lose their homes, lost all the equity in their homes. Maybe you heard something about that? And many are still underwater on their mortgages. Yep, being under water on your mortgage sure makes you want to spend money.

When those that lost their jobs finally found work, the new job pays less than the old one. Yep that's a problem (lower earnings) when you want an economic recovery.

So people lost income, lost value in hard assets, lost money in semi liquid assets and you think that we should have rebounded much more strongly. And that somehow, all the money and equity and jobs that people lost is Obama's fault.

That's kinda strange thinking. How did Obama cause all that loss?

Gee, all that bad stuff going on...and what was Barry's first goal as President? I'll give you a hint it wasn't to get those people in danger of losing their homes back working again! Hell, no! Barry's first priority was to pass ObamaCare...something that was going to dampen job creation.

How did Obama cause the "jobless recovery"? With his namesake piece of legislation...that's how!

ALMOST 11 MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS SINCE OBAMACARES WAS PASSED? Jobs dampened??? lol


Fed 2010
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Read it and weep -

"There has been a distinctive odor of hype lately about the national jobs report for June [2014]. Most people will have the impression that the 288,000 jobs created last month were full-time. Not so.

The Obama administration and much of the media trumpeting the figure overlooked that the government numbers didn't distinguish between new part-time and full-time jobs. Full-time jobs last month plunged by 523,000, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. What has increased are part-time jobs. They soared by about 800,000 to more than 28 million. Just think of all those Americans working part time, no doubt glad to have the work but also contending with lower pay, diminished benefits and little job security.

Only 47.7% of adults in the U.S. are working full time. Yes, the percentage of unemployed has fallen, but that's worth barely a Bronx cheer. It reflects the bleak fact that 2.4 million Americans have become discouraged and dropped out of the workforce. You might as well say that the unemployment rate would be zero if everyone quit looking for work.

Last month involuntary part-timers swelled to 7.5 million, compared with 4.4 million in 2007. Way too many adults now depend on the low-wage, part-time jobs that teenagers would normally fill. Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen had it right in March when she said: "The existence of such a large pool of partly unemployed workers is a sign that labor conditions are worse than indicated by the unemployment rate."

There are a number of reasons for our predicament, most importantly a historically low growth rate for an economic "recovery." Gross domestic product growth in 2013 was a feeble 1.9%, and it fell at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 2.9% in the first quarter of 2014.

But there is one clear political contribution to the dismal jobs trend. Many employers cut workers' hours to avoid the Affordable Care Act's mandate to provide health insurance to anyone working 30 hours a week or more. The unintended consequence of President Obama's "signature legislation"? Fewer full-time workers. In many cases two people are working the same number of hours that one had previously worked.

Since mid-2007 the U.S. population has grown by 17.2 million, according to the Census Bureau, but we have 374,000 fewer jobs since a November 2007 peak and are 10 million jobs shy of where we should be. It is particularly upsetting that our current high unemployment is concentrated in the oldest and youngest workers. Older workers have been phased out as new technologies improve productivity, and young adults who lack skills are struggling to find entry-level jobs with advancement opportunities. In the process, they are losing critical time to develop workplace habits, contacts and new skills.

Most Americans wouldn't call this an economic recovery. Yes, we're not technically in a recession as the recovery began in mid-2009, but high-wage industries have lost a million positions since 2007. Low-paying jobs are gaining and now account for 44% of all employment growth since employment hit bottom in February 2010, with by far the most growth—3.8 million jobs—in low-wage industries. The number of long-term unemployed remains at historically high levels, standing at more than three million in June. The proportion of Americans in the labor force is at a 36-year low, 62.8%, down from 66% in 2008.

Part-time jobs are no longer the domain of the young. Many are taken by adults in their prime working years—25 to 54 years of age—and many are single men and women without high-school diplomas. Why is this happening? It can't all be attributed to the unforeseen consequences of the Affordable Care Act. The longer workers have been out of a job, the more likely they are to take a part-time job to make ends meet.

The result: Faith in the American dream is eroding fast. The feeling is that the rules aren't fair and the system has been rigged in favor of business and against the average person. The share of financial compensation and outputs going to labor has dropped to less than 60% today from about 65% before 1980.

Why haven't increases in labor productivity translated into higher household income in private employment? In part because of very low rates of capital spending on new plant and equipment over the past five years. In the 1960s, only one in 20 American men between the ages of 25 and 54 was not working. According to former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, in 10 years that number will be one in seven.

The lack of breadwinners working full time is a burgeoning disaster. There are 48 million people in the U.S. in low-wage jobs. Those workers won't be able to spend what is necessary in an economy that is mostly based on consumer spending, and this will put further pressure on growth. What we have is a very high unemployment rate, a slow recovery and across-the-board wage stagnation (except for the top few percent). According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, almost 91 million people over age 16 aren't working, a record high. When Barack Obama became president, that figure was nearly 10 million lower.

The great American job machine is spluttering. We are going through the weakest post-recession recovery the U.S. has ever experienced, with growth half of what it was after four previous recessions. And that's despite the most expansive monetary policy in history and the largest fiscal stimulus since World War II.

That is why the June numbers are so distressing. Five years after the Great Recession, more than 24 million working-age Americans remain jobless, working part-time involuntarily or having left the workforce. We are not in the middle of a recovery. We are in the middle of a muddle-through, and there's no point in pretending that the sky is blue when so many millions can attest to dark clouds.

Mr. Zuckerman is chairman and editor in chief of U.S. News & World Report.
 
Ernie, you obviously didn't read the link I posted on how mega-mergers and costing jobs, stifling innovation and thereby slowing the growth of the US economy. If you had, you wouldn't be going on about how the Pfizer mergers were a good thing.

Furthermore, a recent study done on the costs of your miracle cancer treatments demonstrated that drug costs in the US have nothing to do with the cost of producing the drugs (all of which are much, much cheaper outside of the US). Rather, big pharma in the US charges as much as they think they can get for the drug.

And if Walmart's margins are so small, how is it that they posted their largest profit in history, and were are the second most profitable corporation in the US in 2013? Are you aware that if they had paid their US employees just $100.00 per week more than they did in 2013, their profit would have been cut by 1/3, but it would still have been close to $10B, and their employees would not have qualified for Food Stamps or Medicaid. Walmart has no problem paying an $11.00 per hour minimum wage in Canada, and it's still one of the most profitable companies in Canada.

Here's a 2013 article from Fortune (yes another conservative, pro-business website), which says the Walmart could afford to give its employees a 50% raise, and still be a highly profitable corporation.

Why Wal-Mart can afford to give its workers a 50 raise - Fortune

Try reading the links Ernie. You might come to some understanding of the many ways the GOP, and its mouthpiece, Fox News, lie, mislead and misinform you about the economy.
The fact that we DID lose 4 million jobs in 2009 should have had us expecting those numbers to rebound strongly coming out of the recession.


LMAO. Sure dude. SO what else was lost during that same time frame the 4 million jobs were lost. Lets see.
People lost their homes. Yep, you may have heard something about all those foreclosures. But then again, maybe not.

What else. Well people who lost their jobs took out their retirement savings to live on. That is if they hadn't lost every bit of money they had bailing out of the markets when they collapsed. Did you read anything about the stock market collapse when Bush was still Pres? The outflow of money from the 401k and IRA's.

Of course all those home owners that didn't lose their homes, lost all the equity in their homes. Maybe you heard something about that? And many are still underwater on their mortgages. Yep, being under water on your mortgage sure makes you want to spend money.

When those that lost their jobs finally found work, the new job pays less than the old one. Yep that's a problem (lower earnings) when you want an economic recovery.

So people lost income, lost value in hard assets, lost money in semi liquid assets and you think that we should have rebounded much more strongly. And that somehow, all the money and equity and jobs that people lost is Obama's fault.

That's kinda strange thinking. How did Obama cause all that loss?

Gee, all that bad stuff going on...and what was Barry's first goal as President? I'll give you a hint it wasn't to get those people in danger of losing their homes back working again! Hell, no! Barry's first priority was to pass ObamaCare...something that was going to dampen job creation.

How did Obama cause the "jobless recovery"? With his namesake piece of legislation...that's how!
 
The fact that we DID lose 4 million jobs in 2009 should have had us expecting those numbers to rebound strongly coming out of the recession.


LMAO. Sure dude. SO what else was lost during that same time frame the 4 million jobs were lost. Lets see.
People lost their homes. Yep, you may have heard something about all those foreclosures. But then again, maybe not.

What else. Well people who lost their jobs took out their retirement savings to live on. That is if they hadn't lost every bit of money they had bailing out of the markets when they collapsed. Did you read anything about the stock market collapse when Bush was still Pres? The outflow of money from the 401k and IRA's.

Of course all those home owners that didn't lose their homes, lost all the equity in their homes. Maybe you heard something about that? And many are still underwater on their mortgages. Yep, being under water on your mortgage sure makes you want to spend money.

When those that lost their jobs finally found work, the new job pays less than the old one. Yep that's a problem (lower earnings) when you want an economic recovery.

So people lost income, lost value in hard assets, lost money in semi liquid assets and you think that we should have rebounded much more strongly. And that somehow, all the money and equity and jobs that people lost is Obama's fault.

That's kinda strange thinking. How did Obama cause all that loss?

Gee, all that bad stuff going on...and what was Barry's first goal as President? I'll give you a hint it wasn't to get those people in danger of losing their homes back working again! Hell, no! Barry's first priority was to pass ObamaCare...something that was going to dampen job creation.

How did Obama cause the "jobless recovery"? With his namesake piece of legislation...that's how!

ALMOST 11 MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS SINCE OBAMACARES WAS PASSED? Jobs dampened??? lol


Fed 2010
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Read it and weep -

"There has been a distinctive odor of hype lately about the national jobs report for June [2014]. Most people will have the impression that the 288,000 jobs created last month were full-time. Not so.

The Obama administration and much of the media trumpeting the figure overlooked that the government numbers didn't distinguish between new part-time and full-time jobs. Full-time jobs last month plunged by 523,000, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. What has increased are part-time jobs. They soared by about 800,000 to more than 28 million. Just think of all those Americans working part time, no doubt glad to have the work but also contending with lower pay, diminished benefits and little job security.

Only 47.7% of adults in the U.S. are working full time. Yes, the percentage of unemployed has fallen, but that's worth barely a Bronx cheer. It reflects the bleak fact that 2.4 million Americans have become discouraged and dropped out of the workforce. You might as well say that the unemployment rate would be zero if everyone quit looking for work.

Last month involuntary part-timers swelled to 7.5 million, compared with 4.4 million in 2007. Way too many adults now depend on the low-wage, part-time jobs that teenagers would normally fill. Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen had it right in March when she said: "The existence of such a large pool of partly unemployed workers is a sign that labor conditions are worse than indicated by the unemployment rate."

There are a number of reasons for our predicament, most importantly a historically low growth rate for an economic "recovery." Gross domestic product growth in 2013 was a feeble 1.9%, and it fell at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 2.9% in the first quarter of 2014.

But there is one clear political contribution to the dismal jobs trend. Many employers cut workers' hours to avoid the Affordable Care Act's mandate to provide health insurance to anyone working 30 hours a week or more. The unintended consequence of President Obama's "signature legislation"? Fewer full-time workers. In many cases two people are working the same number of hours that one had previously worked.

Since mid-2007 the U.S. population has grown by 17.2 million, according to the Census Bureau, but we have 374,000 fewer jobs since a November 2007 peak and are 10 million jobs shy of where we should be. It is particularly upsetting that our current high unemployment is concentrated in the oldest and youngest workers. Older workers have been phased out as new technologies improve productivity, and young adults who lack skills are struggling to find entry-level jobs with advancement opportunities. In the process, they are losing critical time to develop workplace habits, contacts and new skills.

Most Americans wouldn't call this an economic recovery. Yes, we're not technically in a recession as the recovery began in mid-2009, but high-wage industries have lost a million positions since 2007. Low-paying jobs are gaining and now account for 44% of all employment growth since employment hit bottom in February 2010, with by far the most growth—3.8 million jobs—in low-wage industries. The number of long-term unemployed remains at historically high levels, standing at more than three million in June. The proportion of Americans in the labor force is at a 36-year low, 62.8%, down from 66% in 2008.

Part-time jobs are no longer the domain of the young. Many are taken by adults in their prime working years—25 to 54 years of age—and many are single men and women without high-school diplomas. Why is this happening? It can't all be attributed to the unforeseen consequences of the Affordable Care Act. The longer workers have been out of a job, the more likely they are to take a part-time job to make ends meet.

The result: Faith in the American dream is eroding fast. The feeling is that the rules aren't fair and the system has been rigged in favor of business and against the average person. The share of financial compensation and outputs going to labor has dropped to less than 60% today from about 65% before 1980.

Why haven't increases in labor productivity translated into higher household income in private employment? In part because of very low rates of capital spending on new plant and equipment over the past five years. In the 1960s, only one in 20 American men between the ages of 25 and 54 was not working. According to former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, in 10 years that number will be one in seven.

The lack of breadwinners working full time is a burgeoning disaster. There are 48 million people in the U.S. in low-wage jobs. Those workers won't be able to spend what is necessary in an economy that is mostly based on consumer spending, and this will put further pressure on growth. What we have is a very high unemployment rate, a slow recovery and across-the-board wage stagnation (except for the top few percent). According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, almost 91 million people over age 16 aren't working, a record high. When Barack Obama became president, that figure was nearly 10 million lower.

The great American job machine is spluttering. We are going through the weakest post-recession recovery the U.S. has ever experienced, with growth half of what it was after four previous recessions. And that's despite the most expansive monetary policy in history and the largest fiscal stimulus since World War II.

That is why the June numbers are so distressing. Five years after the Great Recession, more than 24 million working-age Americans remain jobless, working part-time involuntarily or having left the workforce. We are not in the middle of a recovery. We are in the middle of a muddle-through, and there's no point in pretending that the sky is blue when so many millions can attest to dark clouds.

Mr. Zuckerman is chairman and editor in chief of U.S. News & World Report.

lol, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE SERIOUSLY THAT 24 MILLION ARE SUPPOSEDLY MISSING JOBS???? Seriously?

WEEP? HOW ABOUT LAUGH AT YOU DUMBASS'S?



Jul 14 2014

Here's What Obama's 'Part-Time America' Really Looks Like
The president's critics love this talking point. But since 2010, full-time jobs are up 7.6 million, and part-time jobs have declined by more than 900,000.


Take, for example, the remarkably durable myth that Obama has presided over a "part-time economy," where full-time work has been devastated by his relentlessly anti-capitalist policies. The Atlantic has done our best to bust this myth, but there's no killing some summer earworms, and so, like a particularly terrible Top 40 DJ, here comes Mort Zuckerman, spinning the old track on the Wall Street Journal op-ed page.

It's impossible to briefly sum up Zuckerman's argument—"The Full-Time Scandal of Part-Time America"—which is a collage of bad stats and randomly drawn lines of causality. The gist is that the U.S. economy only makes part-time jobs now, and Obamacare is hastening the demise of full-time work.


The easiest way to fact-check the claim that part-time work is rising is to measure Americans working part-time who want to work full time—i.e. "for economic reasons." It turns out that the entire increase in part-time employment happened before Obamacare became a law in 2010.
[Y-axis in 1,000s]

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As for the claim that involuntary part-time work is replacing full-time work? I think these two lines tell you all you need to know [Y-axis in 1,000s, again]:


GO LOOK AT THIS GRAPH AND CRY BUBBA!!!

Three thoughts for the road:

1) Most people working part-time want to work part-time because they're in school, or they're raising kids, or they consider themselves mostly retired. Don't pay attention to anybody who's using the number of stay-at-home dads and moms to argue that Obamacare is destroying full-time work.

2) Last fall, the Fed produced a useful document explaining that "current levels of part-time work are largely within historical norms, despite increases for selected demographic groups, such as prime-age workers with a high-school degree or less."

3) If you insist on being a pessimist, here's a very smart way to express fear about the future of part-time work, also from the Fed. There are some industries, such as hotels, food service, and retail, that have historically had shorter workweeks and more part-time workers. If those sectors continue to grow faster than the overall economy (because other sectors, like government and manufacturing, are shrinking), then we should expect part-time work to remain elevated. Indeed, the relative strength of those industries today is one reason why part-time work hasn't declined even faster than it has.


Here s What Obama s Part-Time America Really Looks Like - The Atlantic



The Spectacular Myth of Obama's Part-Time America—in 5 Graphs
A falsifiable claim, falsified

The Spectacular Myth of Obama s Part-Time America mdash in 5 Graphs - The Atlantic
 
15th post
The fact that we DID lose 4 million jobs in 2009 should have had us expecting those numbers to rebound strongly coming out of the recession.


LMAO. Sure dude. SO what else was lost during that same time frame the 4 million jobs were lost. Lets see.
People lost their homes. Yep, you may have heard something about all those foreclosures. But then again, maybe not.

What else. Well people who lost their jobs took out their retirement savings to live on. That is if they hadn't lost every bit of money they had bailing out of the markets when they collapsed. Did you read anything about the stock market collapse when Bush was still Pres? The outflow of money from the 401k and IRA's.

Of course all those home owners that didn't lose their homes, lost all the equity in their homes. Maybe you heard something about that? And many are still underwater on their mortgages. Yep, being under water on your mortgage sure makes you want to spend money.

When those that lost their jobs finally found work, the new job pays less than the old one. Yep that's a problem (lower earnings) when you want an economic recovery.

So people lost income, lost value in hard assets, lost money in semi liquid assets and you think that we should have rebounded much more strongly. And that somehow, all the money and equity and jobs that people lost is Obama's fault.

That's kinda strange thinking. How did Obama cause all that loss?

Gee, all that bad stuff going on...and what was Barry's first goal as President? I'll give you a hint it wasn't to get those people in danger of losing their homes back working again! Hell, no! Barry's first priority was to pass ObamaCare...something that was going to dampen job creation.

How did Obama cause the "jobless recovery"? With his namesake piece of legislation...that's how!

ALMOST 11 MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS SINCE OBAMACARES WAS PASSED? Jobs dampened??? lol


Fed 2010
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Read it and weep -

"There has been a distinctive odor of hype lately about the national jobs report for June [2014]. Most people will have the impression that the 288,000 jobs created last month were full-time. Not so.

The Obama administration and much of the media trumpeting the figure overlooked that the government numbers didn't distinguish between new part-time and full-time jobs. Full-time jobs last month plunged by 523,000, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. What has increased are part-time jobs. They soared by about 800,000 to more than 28 million. Just think of all those Americans working part time, no doubt glad to have the work but also contending with lower pay, diminished benefits and little job security.

Only 47.7% of adults in the U.S. are working full time. Yes, the percentage of unemployed has fallen, but that's worth barely a Bronx cheer. It reflects the bleak fact that 2.4 million Americans have become discouraged and dropped out of the workforce. You might as well say that the unemployment rate would be zero if everyone quit looking for work.

Last month involuntary part-timers swelled to 7.5 million, compared with 4.4 million in 2007. Way too many adults now depend on the low-wage, part-time jobs that teenagers would normally fill. Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen had it right in March when she said: "The existence of such a large pool of partly unemployed workers is a sign that labor conditions are worse than indicated by the unemployment rate."

There are a number of reasons for our predicament, most importantly a historically low growth rate for an economic "recovery." Gross domestic product growth in 2013 was a feeble 1.9%, and it fell at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 2.9% in the first quarter of 2014.

But there is one clear political contribution to the dismal jobs trend. Many employers cut workers' hours to avoid the Affordable Care Act's mandate to provide health insurance to anyone working 30 hours a week or more. The unintended consequence of President Obama's "signature legislation"? Fewer full-time workers. In many cases two people are working the same number of hours that one had previously worked.

Since mid-2007 the U.S. population has grown by 17.2 million, according to the Census Bureau, but we have 374,000 fewer jobs since a November 2007 peak and are 10 million jobs shy of where we should be. It is particularly upsetting that our current high unemployment is concentrated in the oldest and youngest workers. Older workers have been phased out as new technologies improve productivity, and young adults who lack skills are struggling to find entry-level jobs with advancement opportunities. In the process, they are losing critical time to develop workplace habits, contacts and new skills.

Most Americans wouldn't call this an economic recovery. Yes, we're not technically in a recession as the recovery began in mid-2009, but high-wage industries have lost a million positions since 2007. Low-paying jobs are gaining and now account for 44% of all employment growth since employment hit bottom in February 2010, with by far the most growth—3.8 million jobs—in low-wage industries. The number of long-term unemployed remains at historically high levels, standing at more than three million in June. The proportion of Americans in the labor force is at a 36-year low, 62.8%, down from 66% in 2008.

Part-time jobs are no longer the domain of the young. Many are taken by adults in their prime working years—25 to 54 years of age—and many are single men and women without high-school diplomas. Why is this happening? It can't all be attributed to the unforeseen consequences of the Affordable Care Act. The longer workers have been out of a job, the more likely they are to take a part-time job to make ends meet.

The result: Faith in the American dream is eroding fast. The feeling is that the rules aren't fair and the system has been rigged in favor of business and against the average person. The share of financial compensation and outputs going to labor has dropped to less than 60% today from about 65% before 1980.

Why haven't increases in labor productivity translated into higher household income in private employment? In part because of very low rates of capital spending on new plant and equipment over the past five years. In the 1960s, only one in 20 American men between the ages of 25 and 54 was not working. According to former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, in 10 years that number will be one in seven.

The lack of breadwinners working full time is a burgeoning disaster. There are 48 million people in the U.S. in low-wage jobs. Those workers won't be able to spend what is necessary in an economy that is mostly based on consumer spending, and this will put further pressure on growth. What we have is a very high unemployment rate, a slow recovery and across-the-board wage stagnation (except for the top few percent). According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, almost 91 million people over age 16 aren't working, a record high. When Barack Obama became president, that figure was nearly 10 million lower.

The great American job machine is spluttering. We are going through the weakest post-recession recovery the U.S. has ever experienced, with growth half of what it was after four previous recessions. And that's despite the most expansive monetary policy in history and the largest fiscal stimulus since World War II.

That is why the June numbers are so distressing. Five years after the Great Recession, more than 24 million working-age Americans remain jobless, working part-time involuntarily or having left the workforce. We are not in the middle of a recovery. We are in the middle of a muddle-through, and there's no point in pretending that the sky is blue when so many millions can attest to dark clouds.

Mr. Zuckerman is chairman and editor in chief of U.S. News & World Report.

SO AGAIN YOU'LL IGNORE YOUR BARNEY/DEMS DID IT BULLSHIT WHEN DUBYA CHEERED ON THE BANKSTERS AND FORCED F/F TO BUY $440 BILLION IN MBS'S TO MEET HIS GOALS? LOL. ONE policy Dubya used to topple US economically
 
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