Republicans call Giuliani "stupidest of their party"

[Statistikhengst]

Where were all the Democrats denouncing Obama when he called President Bush unpatriotic?

Where were all the Democrats saying Obama was the family turnip?

Exactly when and where did he do that?

Links? Video? Audio?

 

[AmericanGirl05]

rudy hit a nerve with the left because many of the people believes that about Obama. so they went on the ATTACK
article sums things up

SNIP:
Giuliani’s criticism of Obama has sparked fury—because it rings true.
22 February 2015


Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani’s statement about President Obama’s lack of love for America has set off a firestorm of denunciation. Giuliani has been accused of racism, and he has even received death threats. Defenders of Obama have evoked everything from his grandfather’s (on his mother’s side) service in World War II to the two years Giuliani’s father served in Sing Sing to prove either that Obama does love America or that Giuliani has no standing to issue such criticism.

The ranting has obscured the reasons why so many Americans take Giuliani’s remarks to heart. Starting with his June 2009 speech in Cairo, when he apologized for American actions in the Middle East, Obama has consistently given credence to Islamic grievances against America while showing reluctance to confront Islamic terrorism.

In 2009, after Major Nidal Hasan killed 13 American soldiers and wounded 40 others at Fort Hood while shouting “Allahu Akhbar,” the administration labeled the killings workplace violence. In recent months, the pace of evasions has quickened. Obama was the only major Western leader absent from the massive Paris march held in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo killings. Worse yet, Obama referred to the killings in a Jewish supermarket in Paris as “random” acts of violence.

But this was only the beginning of a string of curious comments and loopy locutions made by the president or his spokespeople in the weeks that followed. While ISIS rampaged across the Middle East, the president told a Washington prayer breakfast that Christians shouldn’t get on their “high horse,” because they were guilty of the Crusades, among other crimes.

Not only were the Crusades many centuries past, but they were also a complicated matter in which both sides behaved barbarically. But more important, Obama’s comments reinforced the standard Muslim propaganda about how the jihad is merely defensive.

Shortly thereafter, ISIS murdered 21 Coptic Christians in Libya (a country in complete chaos, thanks to an Obama-led Western intervention). The White House’s response was to condemn the killing, not of Christians but rather of “Egyptian citizens,” another evasive locution. The casual listener need not have knowledge of the White House’s associations with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt or the administration’s hostility toward the anti-jihadist regime in Cairo to find Obama’s words and behavior peculiar.

As one gaffe followed another and as the president and his spokespeople engaged in semantic somersaults to avoid mentioning Islam in regard to terror, public unease mounted. It was exacerbated by a three-day conference on combating “violent extremism,” the White House euphemism for Islamic terrorism. Here again, the public likely didn’t know that some of the invited guests had histories of supporting jihad. The president’s statements gave them enough to worry about.

Bizarrely, Obama presented himself as an expert on legitimate Islam. “This is not true Islam,” Obama said, referring to the ISIS creed, assuming again his role as Defender of the Islamic Faith. “Al Qaeda and ISIL and groups like it . . . try to portray themselves as religious leaders, holy warriors in defense of Islam,” Obama said. “We must never accept the premise that they put forward, because it is a lie.” Operatives of al-Qaida and ISIS “are not religious leaders,” Obama insisted. “They’re terrorists.”

Listening to speakers at the conference—to which the FBI had not been invited—you would think that, if only American Muslims were treated better, ISIS would wither on the vine.

“We in the administration and the government should give voice to the plight of Muslims living in this country and the discrimination that they face,” said Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson.

“And so I personally have committed to speak out about the situation that very often people in the Muslim community in this country face.”The real issue, Johnson suggested, was not Islamic terrorism but Islamophobia. The casual listener might surmise that Johnson’s remarks had less to do with ISIS than with winning the 2016 Muslim vote in key states such as Michigan and Ohio.

At the same conference, Obama announced, or more accurately pronounced, that Islam “has been woven into the fabric of our country since its founding.” As one friend asked me: “What is he talking about?” America’s earliest encounter with Islam came in the form of seventeenth-century colonists purchasing slaves from Muslim slave traders in Africa. The next came when President Thomas Jefferson was forced to fight the Barbary Pirates. Surely, these weren’t the examples Obama had in mind.

In the midst of these attempts to achieve what a magician would call misdirection, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf explained that, if there were only more jobs in the Middle East, ISIS would have a harder time recruiting. But then again, if there was less Islamic extremism, more jobs might be created. Harf referred to the “root causes” of terrorism much as liberal Democrats have long referred to the “root causes” of poverty, with about the same degree of insight.

With all the atrocities that the ISIS fanatics have committed, Obama’s anger has been more often directed not at them, but at Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The animosity between the two men has never been a secret, but now, with Obama’s term in office waning, he is determined to cut a deal on the Iranian nuclear program on terms much to Tehran’s liking. Netanyahu is an obstacle to that goal.

All of this, then, was a backdrop to Giuliani’s remarks, in which he called out Obama for the president’s many rhetorical bluffs. If the former mayor’s words have created a firestorm, it’s because for many, they have helped make sense of Barack Obama’s words and actions. Attacking Giuliani, and trying to delegitimize him with the racist label, will do little to allay public anxieties about an administration short on competence but long on ideological evasion—and blessed with media allies.

all of it here:
Fred Siegel is the author of Prince of the City: Rudy Giuliani and the Genius of American Life (2005) An expanded paperback edition of his new book, The Revolt Against the Masses (Encounter Press), will be out in April.

Fred Siegal, political advisor to former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and senior fellow at a far right wing think tank.

Ironic this moron uses the word "delegitimize" because that is EXACTLY what the right has tried to do to the President of the United States from the moment he was first elected.

Our President is trying to dial back the bellicose Islamophobic rhetoric former president Bush used to justify HIS war on Islam. I applaud President Obama for talking like an intelligent man, instead of a terrorist recruiter like Bush.

Ultimate irony...Rudy's perfect 'president' is his man crush...Russian President Vladimir Putin

Here’s the former mayor talking to Fox’s Neil Cavuto

Rallying around the wrong president

GIULIANI: Putin decides what he wants to do and he does it in half a day, right? He decided he had to go to their parliament. He went to their parliament. He got permission in 15 minutes.

CAVUTO: Well, that was kind of like perfunctory.

GIULIANI: But he makes a decision and he executes it, quickly. Then everybody reacts. That’s what you call a leader. President Obama, he’s got to think about it. He’s got to go over it again. He’s got to talk to more people about it.

It’s not unusual, during a time of crisis, for Americans to rally behind a president. In Giuliani’s case, the trouble is the New York Republican appears to be rallying behind the wrong president.

That said, it’s nevertheless important to appreciate the fact that, in Giuliani’s mind, the mark of an effective leader is seen in someone who acts unilaterally, invades a country, and doesn’t stop to think too much about it. Real leaders, the argument goes, simply act – then watch as “everybody reacts.”

But here’s the follow-up question for Giuliani and other conservatives swooning over Putin: if President Obama did act that way, wouldn’t you be calling him a lawless, out-of-control tyrant?

Once again, the right is going to have to pick a caricature and go with it. Obama can be a power-hungry dictator, ruthlessly wielding power, or he can be a weak pushover, afraid to act. He can’t be both.

For that matter, Republicans can long for an authoritarian leader, who acts without thinking or regard for consensus, or they can embrace a more deliberative style of leadership that cares about partnerships and checks and balances.


While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians

But radical Islam has declared war on the US. To call them what they are is not "phobic."

It would be like calling the Nazis not Nazis.

 

[tinydancer]

Where were all the Democrats denouncing Obama when he called President Bush unpatriotic?

Where were all the Democrats saying Obama was the family turnip?

Obama was referring to a specific issue, not to a person like Giuliani was.

Bullshit. No wiggle room.



Obama insults conservatives and Republicans all the time as well as slagging Bush. I don't care a lick because he's a freaking wanker but don't try to play "holier than thou".

Hypocrite thy name is liberal.

 

[tinydancer]

Where were all the Democrats denouncing Obama when he called President Bush unpatriotic?

Where were all the Democrats saying Obama was the family turnip?

Exactly when and where did he do that?

Links? Video? Audio?

When he was a Senator. And to make it super funny Senator Obama was insulting Bush for adding trillions to the debt.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[Claudette]

The asshole has been bad mouthing and insulting America for 6 years, Giuliani is just saying what a lot of people don't have the guts to say. He has repeatedly compared us negatively to murderous regimes like China. He repeatedly bad mouthed large swaths of Americans as racist, anti-fill in the blank, that we are not paying our fare share, and on and on. Millions of illegals pour across our border, break our laws, kill our citizens, steal our identities, file for fraudulent tax refunds, and that asshole blames us for not welcoming them with open arms? Does an end run around congress to give them safe haven? All you leftist freaks can go to hell.

I agree.

If someone gives you his honest opinion and it isn't the party line answer then thats just to damned bad.

Nope. Just an honest guy giving you his honest opinion. If you don't like that opinion then tough shit.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

The asshole has been bad mouthing and insulting America for 6 years, Giuliani is just saying what a lot of people don't have the guts to say. He has repeatedly compared us negatively to murderous regimes like China. He repeatedly bad mouthed large swaths of Americans as racist, anti-fill in the blank, that we are not paying our fare share, and on and on. Millions of illegals pour across our border, break our laws, kill our citizens, steal our identities, file for fraudulent tax refunds, and that asshole blames us for not welcoming them with open arms? Does an end run around congress to give them safe haven? All you leftist freaks can go to hell.

I agree.

If someone gives you his honest opinion and it isn't the party line answer then thats just to damned bad.

Nope. Just an honest guy giving you his honest opinion. If you don't like that opinion then tough shit.

My honest opinion is you are full of shit and if you don't like my opinion tough shit ...

 

[Claudette]

Your entitled to your opinion and so is Giuliani.

Tough shit.

 

[bendog]

Calling Scott Walker, your clown car is here and waiting. Calling Scott Walker .....

 

[BluesLegend]

The asshole has been bad mouthing and insulting America for 6 years, Giuliani is just saying what a lot of people don't have the guts to say. He has repeatedly compared us negatively to murderous regimes like China. He repeatedly bad mouthed large swaths of Americans as racist, anti-fill in the blank, that we are not paying our fare share, and on and on. Millions of illegals pour across our border, break our laws, kill our citizens, steal our identities, file for fraudulent tax refunds, and that asshole blames us for not welcoming them with open arms? Does an end run around congress to give them safe haven? All you leftist freaks can go to hell.

I agree.

If someone gives you his honest opinion and it isn't the party line answer then thats just to damned bad.

Nope. Just an honest guy giving you his honest opinion. If you don't like that opinion then tough shit.

My honest opinion is you are full of shit and if you don't like my opinion tough shit ...

Fortunately nobody cares what your opinion is.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

The asshole has been bad mouthing and insulting America for 6 years, Giuliani is just saying what a lot of people don't have the guts to say. He has repeatedly compared us negatively to murderous regimes like China. He repeatedly bad mouthed large swaths of Americans as racist, anti-fill in the blank, that we are not paying our fare share, and on and on. Millions of illegals pour across our border, break our laws, kill our citizens, steal our identities, file for fraudulent tax refunds, and that asshole blames us for not welcoming them with open arms? Does an end run around congress to give them safe haven? All you leftist freaks can go to hell.

I agree.

If someone gives you his honest opinion and it isn't the party line answer then thats just to damned bad.

Nope. Just an honest guy giving you his honest opinion. If you don't like that opinion then tough shit.

My honest opinion is you are full of shit and if you don't like my opinion tough shit ...

Fortunately nobody cares what your opinion is.

That is belied by your response to my post...thank you for playing "who is your Daddy"

 

[The Rabbi]

Calling Scott Walker, your clown car is here and waiting. Calling Scott Walker .....

You're the clown car? I'd agree!

 

[BluesLegend]

The asshole has been bad mouthing and insulting America for 6 years, Giuliani is just saying what a lot of people don't have the guts to say. He has repeatedly compared us negatively to murderous regimes like China. He repeatedly bad mouthed large swaths of Americans as racist, anti-fill in the blank, that we are not paying our fare share, and on and on. Millions of illegals pour across our border, break our laws, kill our citizens, steal our identities, file for fraudulent tax refunds, and that asshole blames us for not welcoming them with open arms? Does an end run around congress to give them safe haven? All you leftist freaks can go to hell.

I agree.

If someone gives you his honest opinion and it isn't the party line answer then thats just to damned bad.

Nope. Just an honest guy giving you his honest opinion. If you don't like that opinion then tough shit.

My honest opinion is you are full of shit and if you don't like my opinion tough shit ...

Fortunately nobody cares what your opinion is.

That is belied by your response to my post...thank you for playing "who is your Daddy"

What are you still in junior high, I think your mom is calling you. lol.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

What are you still in junior high, I think your mom is calling you. lol.

That is some of the most original and creative snark I have yet to read...NOT

 

[bendog]

Calling Scott Walker, your clown car is here and waiting. Calling Scott Walker .....

You're the clown car? I'd agree!

Wow fake rabbi, that was some rhetoric!

 

[Bfgrn]

Where were all the Democrats denouncing Obama when he called President Bush unpatriotic?

Where were all the Democrats saying Obama was the family turnip?

Obama was referring to a specific issue, not to a person like Giuliani was.

Bullshit. No wiggle room.



Obama insults conservatives and Republicans all the time as well as slagging Bush. I don't care a lick because he's a freaking wanker but don't try to play "holier than thou".

Hypocrite thy name is liberal.

Either you are that obtuse or that stupid...which one is it TD?

There is NO comparison between what Obama said and what Giuliani said.

Obama said about Bush adding $4 trillion to the debt, quote, "that's irresponsible, that's unpatriotic." He said THAT was unpatriotic.

Rudy said: “I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America, He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up, through love of this country.”

Hey TD, try trashing my parents, grandparents and family on this obscure message board and you will be banned.