Republicans: bent on believing lies

[Dr Gregg]

Why shouldn't we, points out how many are full of shit./ This is just one of the more ridiculous lies the obama bashers believe. It's pathetic

Why do you concern yourself? Aren't there other, more pressing issues to be addressed?

The left is OBSESSED with this.. far more so than I or anyone I know. The man is President.. it really doesn't matter anymore.

More dishonesty, nobody is obsessed with this. Someone making a posting on a forum and that somehow equals obsession? This is what I'm talking about, making shit up.

 

[Liability]

If Obama had been born overseas, it is entirely possible that his mom (as an example) realized this could cause him some trouble down the road. So she calls ahead to the rest of the family back in Hawaii and has them place a birth announcement in a local paper.

This does not require anybody to believe that even then they were planning to get the lad annointed as President. But they may very well have wished to avoid ANY problems relating to the question of citizenship.

WAS the President born overseas? Who the fuck knows? Just because his grandma who was there says he was born in Kenya doesn't mean there wasn't some mis-translation or confusion going on. The President said in his autobiographical book that he had seen his own birth certificate, but damned if he'll share it with the world. It's ONLY a Constitutional requirement in order to even BE President. No big thang. An alleged certification of live birth (which is not a birth certificate) is plenty good enough, right?

Harboring a doubt could only be the same as "believing a lie" if a doubt means that one has come down on the one side or the other. But since that's not what having a "doubt," means, I guess truthdoesnmtmattertoheratall is just wrong -- again.

Back in reality, having a doubt is just noting that the proof fails to be entirely satisfactory.

That said, it's not as though it will ultimately ever matter. I can't believe this country is going to rise up and insist that on THIS topic, by golly, we WILL demand complete fidelity to the Constitution. Not gonna happen. We don't know for 100% sure and we probably never will know with certainty that Obama was a natural born U.S. citizen. And he will serve his full term (or worse yet, two full terms) and we STILL won't know for sure. We may never know to that precise level of certainty.

 

[Truthmatters]

This is part of the culture of lies they live in.

They spout lies.

Then if people point out their lies they call them crazy.

Then they lie.

Then if someone points out the lie they call them crazy.

 

[Truthmatters]

snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

 

[slackjawed]

This is part of the culture of lies they live in.

They spout lies.

Then if people point out their lies they call them crazy.

Then they lie.

Then if someone points out the lie they call them crazy.

pot, meet kettle, kettle, meet pot.

At the risk of sounding racist, your both black.

 

[paperview]

The right wing pulls in crazies like grass attracts white pants.

 

[Liability]

snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

LOL!

Snopes came down on one side. That is not an authoritative "answer," you silly kid.

Is there actual proof that President Obama wasn't born in the USA? If so, I have yet to see it.

Is there actual proof that President Obama was born in Kenya? If so, I have yet to see it.

In reality, is it fair to say that there is still, therefore, some reason to harbor a legitimately based doubt? Absolutely -- except to you dishonest partisan kooks.

 

[Truthmatters]

This is part of the culture of lies they live in.

They spout lies.

Then if people point out their lies they call them crazy.

Then they lie.

Then if someone points out the lie they call them crazy.

pot, meet kettle, kettle, meet pot.

At the risk of sounding racist, your both black.

Go get any lie I have told.

 

[Liability]

His grandmother, a half brother, a half sister and the Kenyan Ambassador all say Obama was born in Kenya, are you calling them liars?

Can you show us proof that this is even true?

The records show Obama was born in Hawaii.

The paper has a record of his birth announcement.

His mother was an American citizen.

Yeah, even if he was born in Kenya, his mother is an [A]merican citizen, does it matter where he was born?

Yes. A natural born citizen is one who is born here or -- arguably -- one who acquires U.S. citizenship immediately upon birth regardless of where born. At the time of his birth, having mom as the sole U.S. citizen would NOT automatically guarantee (under the law at that time) that he was a U.S. citizen if he was not born on U.S. soil.

 

[Truthmatters]

Is Barack Obama a Natural-Born Citizen? - Urban Legends

 

[slackjawed]

This is part of the culture of lies they live in.

They spout lies.

Then if people point out their lies they call them crazy.

Then they lie.

Then if someone points out the lie they call them crazy.

pot, meet kettle, kettle, meet pot.

At the risk of sounding racist, your both black.

Go get any lie I have told.

All partisan bickering is a lie, at the very least the lie of omission.
The postings that have continually indicated that foriegn corporations can buy elections comes to mind. The lie that 'the death panels don't exist' is another. The healthcare bill doesn't have them , but the 'review panels' are outlined in the stimulaus bill. The statements that (pick you high percentage)% of people want a public option is a lie. The statement that obama's appointees are not socialist or communist is a lie, some of his appointees have freely admitted it.
Sometimes what you believe to be truths, others believe to be lies.
see how that works?
Partisan bickering is by definition a lie.
I gotta go to town again, but I'll be back later, just don't think I'm running away from you truth.
Matter of fact, i enjoy engaging in discussion with you. I even said so in the flamer thread about you.
have fun

 

[rightwinger]

Can you show us proof that this is even true?

The records show Obama was born in Hawaii.

The paper has a record of his birth announcement.

His mother was an American citizen.

Yeah, even if he was born in Kenya, his mother is an [A]merican citizen, does it matter where he was born?

Yes. A natural born citizen is one who is born here or -- arguably -- one who acquires U.S. citizenship immediately upon birth regardless of where born. At the time of his birth, having mom as the sole U.S. citizen would NOT automatically guarantee (under the law at that time) that he was a U.S. citizen if he was not born on U.S. soil.

A President has to be born on US Soil or be a child of deployed military. Obama was born in Hawaii and his birth has been acknowledged by the State of Hawaii.

Those who disagree are free to provide proof he was born elsewhere.

Case closed

 

[Big Fitz]

New Poll: Less Than Half Of Republicans Believe Obama Was Born In U.S.

I've no idea. I tend to say it doesn't matter at this point.

But, it is very curious as to why the Governor of Hawaii sealed his records. Of course, if we discover that he isn't, I'm all for arresting, trying them for treason and hang all those involved in the conspiracy to hide the truth and violate the constitution.

Of course, I doubt any of this will happen, nor will it come to light till it's irrelevant. So this is a moot point as of now.

 

[Truthmatters]

Funny how they started off denying the study and then ended up arguing the merits of the lie.

Lies are just a tool to this current R party.

 

[Liability]

Yeah, even if he was born in Kenya, his mother is an [A]merican citizen, does it matter where he was born?

Yes. A natural born citizen is one who is born here or -- arguably -- one who acquires U.S. citizenship immediately upon birth regardless of where born. At the time of his birth, having mom as the sole U.S. citizen would NOT automatically guarantee (under the law at that time) that he was a U.S. citizen if he was not born on U.S. soil.

A President has to be born on US Soil or be a child of deployed military.

You start off only partly correct. But that minor error is hardly worthy of additional commentary.

Obama was born in Hawaii and his birth has been acknowledged by the State of Hawaii.

Wrong. He was only allegedly born in the State of Hawaii and the "State" of Hawaii wasn't present in the birthing "room" at the time. What the State of Hawaii can say -- the only thing they can say -- is that he was born. But we all already knew he wasn't hatched. WHERE he was born is the very thing open to debate and the Hawaii official records, based on some unverifiable hearsay imprinted on a document, is far from conclusive about where that place was.

Those who disagree are free to provide proof he was born elsewhere.

You are partly right. As a matter of an allegedly "official" State record being deemed adequate legal evidence for the "facts" alleged in such document, it DOES seem appropriate for you guys (who believe it) to offer that COLB as "proof." And it would certainly then be incumbent on the nay-sayers to offer sufficient evidence to overcome your "evidence."

Case closed

Again, that contention is somewhat over stated, but in terms of practicality, it doesn't matter. The Court cases all fall. This issue is not going to see the light of day, officially, beyond those weak first steps. And, if what you are trying to say is that it is very unlikely that there will ever be any offer of "evidence" from, the nay-sayers whic is good enough to overcome the COLB, I think you are probably right. In THAT sense, this "case" is as good as closed and not likely to ever get meaningfully re-opened.

 

[paperview]

New Poll: Less Than Half Of Republicans Believe Obama Was Born In U.S.

I've no idea. I tend to say it doesn't matter at this point.

But, it is very curious as to why the Governor of Hawaii sealed his records. Of course, if we discover that he isn't, I'm all for arresting, trying them for treason and hang all those involved in the conspiracy to hide the truth and violate the constitution.

Of course, I doubt any of this will happen, nor will it come to light till it's irrelevant. So this is a moot point as of now.

The Republican Governor of Hawaii didn't "seal his records."

 

[paperview]

Funny how they started off denying the study and then ended up arguing the merits of the lie.

Lies are just a tool to this current R party.

It is pretty funny.

 

[Truthmatters]

They defend the flood of corporate money into the election system and then defend out right lies about their opponents.

Can you imagine what this dynamic is going to look like in a year or less?

 

[slackjawed]

Funny how they started off denying the study and then ended up arguing the merits of the lie.

Lies are just a tool to this current R party.

I am also more than slightly amused by watching this strange phenomena.

 

[Truthmatters]

Lets just remember when the corps start airing adds to protect themselves from the possible legislation congress may inact they will tell ANY lie they wish to tell. They will hire the BEST ad men in the world to spin the message. They will flood the airwaves, mags, internet and even BUY certain celebs to get the message out. It will be varied and multi faceted to make it less obviously an add.

The truth wont have a chance.