Crepitus
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Rudy can't keep his mouth shut, even with a pardon in the offing (and I'm not thinking it would be, he hasn't don't it for anyone else) I think he would blab.
Republicans Admit They Have No Fact Witnesses. Trump Did It
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jc456
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well ukraine got their aid money. nothing in return. so where is what trump bought?
jc456
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then you know nothing as usual.
M14 Shooter
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Somehow, you do not understand the onus of demonstration lies with the accuser, not the accused.
There are no documents or witnesses that back the claims of the Democrats.
None.
Disagree?
Cite the source and paste the text.
M14 Shooter
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M14 Shooter
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Cite the source.
Copy and paste the text.
whitehall
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Trump doesn't need "fact" witnesses. He released the transcript. The burden of proof is on the democrats and so far they seem reluctant to put the original whistle blower on the stand for some reason and that blows their case out of the water. When you factor in the statement of the whistle blower's attorney on inauguration day that democrats were engaging in a "political coup" you get an idea about how weak their case is.
joaquinmiller
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No doubt you missed the deposition transcripts that were released last week.
joaquinmiller
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The Trump transcript, and the fact-witnesses who have testified, confirm the whistleblower complaint. Why do you ask?
Edit- I know, Trump told you differently. It must create cognitive dissonance.
M14 Shooter
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Cite the source. Copy and paste the text .
joaquinmiller
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No. No one is paying attention to you. You don't accept evidence. You want something cut and pasted, do it yourself.
See, there was a lot more shenanigans going on with Rudy in the Ukraine and with those 3 goons he was working with...
First know, they paid him a half a billion bucks to work for them! HOLY MOLEY MOTHER OF GOODNESS!!!
$500 million, to work for them. (And the right wing is whining about Hunter getting $50k a month, go figure?)
The 2 Goons here in the USA that Pres Trump and Giuliani are in a gazillion pictures with, really do not have that kind of money like that to easily pay out $500 MILLION to Rudy, but we found out... they are getting paid by this Russian mafioso goon, who is in Geneva... a Mr. Firtash.... who the USA is working with Geneva/Switzrlnd to extradite him here for his felonies committed against the USA.... and a lot more.... Firtash is fighting the extradition, and it looks like Giuliani is getting paid to get that done, indirectly, thru the 2 photogenic goons... Rudy wormed in to meeting with DOJ to lobby for this Firtash guy...
Well, Rudy and these 2 goons and the Firtash Russian mafia guy... were also the ones CREATING and MANUFACTURING the whole made up conspiracies on the Bidens.... THEY are the ones that got this Shokin prosecutor that was fired to rewrite history and lie about his firing reason.... of which Shokin never ONCE made the claim he was fired because of allegedly investigating Burisma before this ... of which he was not....
one of the whole reasons everyone of the other countries and entities along with the USA wanted him GONE, is because the UK had a suit against Burisma, one they knew they could win and maybe recover some of the money Burisma illegally took, but guess what?
Even though the UK had an agreement of participation with the Ukraine, the prosecutor....SHOKIN refused to send the evidence on Burisma's theft, even though he had agreed to.... the U.K. was furious, so was the IMF, World Bank, and USA... Shokin was obviously crooked.... thus the push to kick him out.
This happened a couple of years BEFORE Hunter and his business partner were hired by this company and before this company decided they were going to ''clean up their act'' and hire all of these ''well knowners'' on their board, and tried to get in good graces again.
GAWD there is just so much more to all of this but it could take 10 more pages...
Well back to Firtash, the felon seeking extradition...he hired Victoria TOESING and Joe DiGenova as lawyers, probably at Rudy's request imo.
ok, Firtash gets his money, from a corrupt Russian Oligarch.... and has ties to Manafort... and Manafort is the one who started the rumor that it was the Ukraine that was actually interfering in our election and not the Russians bullcrap.... it's a vicious circle of corruption and fraud that always leads back to RUSSIA....(gawd almighty the Russians are good at this shit) and trying to claim that Russia did not hack us or interfere, the Ukrainians did... and Crowdstrike who investigated the server of the DNC break in, because one of their owners supposedly is Ukrainian born or something, they stuffed the DNC server that was hacked, there in the Ukraine to hide it...
which is BAT SHIT CRAZY...
The Ukrainian individuals that did not want to see Trump win, some influence did happen, but it was a handful, and they did things like releasing public records on Manafort, when Trump hired him as campaign manager.... on Manafort and ties to Uke Russian sympathizers.
It was not because they were head over heels for Hillary, but they were dead set against Trump because of his tight connections to Russia...
It was an amateur attempt to influence and not the unprecedented measures of the Russian's systematic attack and actual interference.... according to Mueller and other articles on it that I've read....
Shoot, so sorry this keeps going on and on...
BUT BACK TO Giuliani and Trump...
President Trump either knew what Giuliani was up to his neck in with Foreign adversaries for Giuliani's gain of a HALF A BILLION, and turned a blind eye to it, which is possible, I suppose? Or he was involved with it...?
I just don't think his defenders could say, he knew nothing about it? Though, he will likely try....
So, there would be more than pardoning rudy for doing the shadow gvt thingy on the side for Trump, so you could be right on Trump not pardoning and Rudy singing on something?
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bripat9643
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They aren't "fact witnesses." They're gossip mongers expressing an opinion.
joaquinmiller
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They're testifying under oath and penalty of perjury. You're a yammering teabilly fuckstick in cyberspace. You get to say any bullshit you want. They don't.
bripat9643
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That doesn't alter the fact that they haven't discussed any facts, only their worthless opinions.
M14 Shooter
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Ah.
You know you cannot cite the source, and you know you cannot quote the text.
No one is surprised.
DrLove
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Republicans are still whining like babies because they couldn't bring the whistleblower and Hunter Biden as "fact witnesses" 
M14 Shooter
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And YOU are unable to cite the sources and quote the text that supports your claims.
bripat9643
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How cute. Now I'm convinced that the faux whistleblower shouldn't have to testify!Republicans are still whining like babies because they couldn't bring the whistleblower and Hunter Biden as "fact witnesses"
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