Republican National delegates bound or unbound?

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I finally found an interesting article on what is going on in Cleveland ahead of the Republican convention next week that interested parties may want to read.


"There may not be a contested convention, but National Convention may have a floor fight on its hands, even if efforts to change the rules fail, according to a group pressing for delegates to "vote their conscience" during next week's nationally televised roll call.

Delegates Unbound, a group insisting that delegates may already vote for the candidate of their choice as their party's presidential nominee, has set up shop in downtown Cleveland, just blocks from where those delegates will cast their votes on the floor of the Quicken Loans Arena next week.

In an interview in the group's nerve center, a room scattered with empty coffee cups and doughnut boxes, Dane Waters, the head of the group, told ABC News that even if last-ditch attempts to change the rules fail, the roll call vote on the floor of the GOP convention won't be "some quiet little rodeo."

"These individuals are extremely passionate about the right to vote their conscience," he said. "So I can't imagine that people are going to sit around and not do anything."

Members of Delegates Unbound have been working out of its office for 20 days, trying to educate delegates that if they don't want to vote for Trump, they don't have to. The Republican National Committee disagrees, saying the delegates are bound under the current rules.

Waters pointed to Rule 37(b), which allows delegates to object if they believe their vote was not announced correctly by their state delegation's leader.

"If a delegate feels that the state delegation chair has not properly represented their vote, then that individual has the right to object and demand that their vote be corrected," he said.

"Most people are not going to sit around and say, 'OK, that's OK,'" he said.

Despite this claim, the GOP convention's current rules state that the secretary must record the vote in line with the delegation's binding, regardless of the tally announced by the state's delegation chair.

A group that is partnering with Delegates Unbound is trying to force a vote on the convention floor on a new rule that would unbind the delegates. The group must win over 28 members of the powerful, 112-member convention rules committee to support the cause.

At a meeting today, the GOP's top lawyer dismissed efforts to persuade delegates at the convention to vote their conscience, saying that emails from anti-Trump forces are "not true."

"All of y'all have undoubtedly received emails that begin with the sentence 'No delegate is bound.' That's not true," said general counsel John Ryder during a five-minute address to Republican National Committee members this afternoon.

The address was a shorter version of remarks Ryder delivered at the Republican National Convention's rules panel Tuesday, a sign that top Republicans are making serious efforts to quash potential uprisings before they erupt on the floor during the nationally televised roll call. Ryder joked to the audience, "There's an old hymn that some of you may be familiar with, 'Blessed be the ties that bind.'"

"That may be the theme song of this convention," he said.

Despite these warnings, Waters said a victory for his group's effort would be not merely the incredibly difficult task of getting Donald Trump off the GOP ticket. Waters said, "This is much bigger than just Donald Trump," and he sees three possible wins for stop-Trump forces.

The first would be that "delegates do vote their conscience and not try to be manipulated or guided or pushed by the [Republican National Committee] and the Trump campaign," Waters said.

A second win would be if "delegates stand up and make it clear that not everyone is in lockstep with Donald Trump," Waters said, and that's where the thinks the floor could get rowdy.

The third would be the most difficult, if not impossible, but one the never-Trump camp has sought for months.

"No. 3 is that the delegates freely choose if they are allowed to freely choose. Then, in my opinion, Donald Trump will not be the nominee," Waters said.

"The [convention] rules permit and require the binding of delegates. Those rules are in effect in this convention, and as long as those rules remain the rules, the delegates remain bound," he added.
GOP Convention Floor Fight Brewing as Delegates Mull Going Rogue
 
I just put this up in the other thread. Here's the deal. From the people who are in the know. Read the first sentence carefully.


"The RNC's rules currently call for the official reading of delegate votes in the way each state's voters, and each state party's rules, assigned them.

The convention's secretary, in other words, will record the votes as the RNC's rules say they should be cast – even if Correll and others were to go rogue."

Republican National delegates bound or unbound?
 
I just put this up in the other thread. Here's the deal. From the people who are in the know. Read the first sentence carefully.


"The RNC's rules currently call for the official reading of delegate votes in the way each state's voters, and each state party's rules, assigned them.

The convention's secretary, in other words, will record the votes as the RNC's rules say they should be cast – even if Correll and others were to go rogue."

Republican National delegates bound or unbound?


I am sure it's going to be a floor fight--but I thought the rules committee met today or tomorrow? I doubt they'll have much success changing the rules at this late date.
 
Waters pointed to Rule 37(b), which allows delegates to object if they believe their vote was not announced correctly by their state delegation's leader.

If they felt their vote was not announced correctly, then that would have been the time to object. This is an end around scheme.
And if our delegates decide to go rogue and take our votes with them, then we need to get rid of those pretending to represent us, and be counted independently. I expect if Trump gets in, he'll address the rigged system.
 
Waters pointed to Rule 37(b), which allows delegates to object if they believe their vote was not announced correctly by their state delegation's leader.

If they felt their vote was not announced correctly, then that would have been the time to object. This is an end around scheme.
And if our delegates decide to go rogue and take our votes with them, then we need to get rid of those pretending to represent us, and be counted independently. I expect if Trump gets in, he'll address the rigged system.

Well it's an interesting dilemma. Trump won the nomination, but he didn't get over 50%. In fact--more voted against him than voted for him.
Donald Trump had more votes against him than he did for him.

And looking at these numbers would make any delegate reconsider an alternative to Trump.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

But I imagine it's too late to do anything about it.
 
The RNC has done everything in it's power to make sure a non-globalist/anti-UN candidate does not get into power, and slow the progression of the NWO. But they just can't seem to stop the silent majority. We have had enough of lying, inept handlers.
 
Waters pointed to Rule 37(b), which allows delegates to object if they believe their vote was not announced correctly by their state delegation's leader.

If they felt their vote was not announced correctly, then that would have been the time to object. This is an end around scheme.
And if our delegates decide to go rogue and take our votes with them, then we need to get rid of those pretending to represent us, and be counted independently. I expect if Trump gets in, he'll address the rigged system.

Well it's an interesting dilemma. Trump won the nomination, but he didn't get over 50%. In fact--more voted against him than voted for him.
Donald Trump had more votes against him than he did for him.

And looking at these numbers would make any delegate reconsider an alternative to Trump.
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

But I imagine it's too late to do anything about it.

Regarding the primary system itself I think everyone can agree that man oh man it's a dogs breakfast. No uniformity whatsoever. And this is not to take away any states right on how they elect their nominee, there has to be a way to bring about a basic simple framework that all states can agree on and then add their own personal touches.

At one point I was waiting to find out that Lower Slobovia USA was going to pick the nominee by having 17 turkeys with all the candidates names hidden from a shooter in a turkey shoot, a freaking marksman with only 16 bulltets and the only turkey left standing would be their nominee.

:lol:

It was that crazy.
 

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