"Repeal The Second Amendment!"

[ChrisL]

I propose that the next time a Muslim terror attack happens, that we BAN the Muslim religion. We aren't going to ban ALL religions, just the Muslim religion. They use various tools at their disposal to accomplish their terrorist goals, bombs, knives, vehicles, guns, so it isn't so much the tool I am concerned about but rather the dangerous ideology which has seduced some into joining the cause of murdering innocent American citizens here and abroad. So, since I don't want to ban ALL religions and even though the vast majority of Muslims have never harmed anyone, I feel justified in banning their right to practice that particular religion due to the violence. How many children around the world have been killed in Muslim terror attacks?

Nobody is proposing a BAN on guns

Merely enhanced background checks on all purchases

Why do conservatives oppose it?

Oh come on! Don't insult people's intelligence like this. We all know where all of this is leading to. You will never be satisfied and you will never stop. It's pretty clear by now that your methods are not working at ALL anyways.

 

[jc456]

It will ultimately be decided at the ballot box.

The direction of public sentiment right now is pretty clear.
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The 2nd amendment will live, it damn near takes an act of god to change. Some controls will be enacted relating to mental health issues and age, but most people deemed sane and old enough will always be able to purchase a gun.

I included age because there are now rumblings in Florida to raise the age for rifles, but I will go back to when I was 18 and argue if I am old enough to go to war I am old enough to drink alcohol. I know it's not the same but the theory is still there and if I was going to war at 18 I'd certainly want to be able to purchase a gun. Maybe we just give shrinks more patients and do a complete mental exam before you can purchase. No one knows the answer's but for the 2nd amendment it will remain unchanged.

the ultimate goal of the progressives is to get rid of the second and tenth amendment, They will not except anything less.

I don't think so I now many that have several guns and wants their right to purchase. I think you read too many right wing news propaganda. Yes, there is the fringe but if I had to bet my life I'd say the majority are on the 2nd amendments side.

There is no such thing as a progressive that is in favor of the second amendment and the 10th amendment for that matter.
They will not be satisfied until all freedom and individuality is put in an Orwellian state...

Live in your own little world up there in SD and think what you want and stay off Fox, Breitbart, infowars, gateway pundit, please expand your horizon's outside of your own little world.

that goes both ways. one way data isn't good.

 

[ChrisL]

Many, many, MANY more kids die from drugs and alcohol related "accidents" every year than from being shot. Many, many more children die in household accidents and drown every single year.

How Many People Die From Drugs, Each Year? | Promises

Yes. and how to we address those problems. Working together. or mouth foaming about God-given rights?


Could you imagine if drunk drivers started holding up the 21st Amendment of the United States as their god-given natural right... "You libs want to take away my booze!!"

I don't believe in gods, but I do believe that I have a natural right to defend myself and my family and my property with the most effective weaponry available against a would be attacker regardless of how "scared" you are of guns.

 

[jc456]

I propose that the next time a Muslim terror attack happens, that we BAN the Muslim religion. We aren't going to ban ALL religions, just the Muslim religion. They use various tools at their disposal to accomplish their terrorist goals, bombs, knives, vehicles, guns, so it isn't so much the tool I am concerned about but rather the dangerous ideology which has seduced some into joining the cause of murdering innocent American citizens here and abroad. So, since I don't want to ban ALL religions and even though the vast majority of Muslims have never harmed anyone, I feel justified in banning their right to practice that particular religion due to the violence. How many children around the world have been killed in Muslim terror attacks?

Nobody is proposing a BAN on guns

Merely enhanced background checks on all purchases

Why do conservatives oppose it?

Oh come on! Don't insult people's intelligence like this. We all know where all of this is leading to. You will never be satisfied and you will never stop. It's pretty clear by now that your methods are not working at ALL anyways.

right? it happens every time some nut job goes off. the leftist nut jobs go off.

 

[ChrisL]

It's not the guns you should fear anyways, it's the people. It's the fact that there are people around who you cannot trust at all, even if they might SEEM to be normal. It's a crazy world out there, and I don't care if you are afraid of me or guns. I am going to protect myself, fuckers!

 

[hazlnut]

As a US Citizen I have a right to keep and bear arms, and the State cannot infringe on that.

Is a 3-6 month waiting period and $600 in fees infringement or not?

No.

Sorry.

SCOTUS says no. They have the final say.


Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

You don't like how Justice Scalia put it, then get the **** out.

 

[hazlnut]

It's not the guns you should fear anyways, it's the people. It's the fact that there are people around who you cannot trust at all, even if they might SEEM to be normal. It's a crazy world out there, and I don't care if you are afraid of me or guns. I am going to protect myself, fuckers!

Fine.

Would it be too much to ask that the crazies not get guns... you know, just to be sure.

 

[alang1216]

I propose that the next time a Muslim terror attack happens, that we BAN the Muslim religion. We aren't going to ban ALL religions, just the Muslim religion. They use various tools at their disposal to accomplish their terrorist goals, bombs, knives, vehicles, guns, so it isn't so much the tool I am concerned about but rather the dangerous ideology which has seduced some into joining the cause of murdering innocent American citizens here and abroad. So, since I don't want to ban ALL religions and even though the vast majority of Muslims have never harmed anyone, I feel justified in banning their right to practice that particular religion due to the violence. How many children around the world have been killed in Muslim terror attacks?

Nobody is proposing a BAN on guns

Merely enhanced background checks on all purchases

Why do conservatives oppose it?

A slippery slope argument (SSA), in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is a consequentialist logical device in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect.

To them control = ban

 

[jc456]

As a US Citizen I have a right to keep and bear arms, and the State cannot infringe on that.

Is a 3-6 month waiting period and $600 in fees infringement or not?

No.

Sorry.

SCOTUS says no. They have the final say.


Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

You don't like how Justice Scalia put it, then get the **** out.

ahhh look at you. you come push us out. right now there is nothing in front of SCOTUS so you are in error.

 

[DOTR]

Well, one of us is wrong, I guess. We'll see soon enough.

I have no doubt that YOU have your finger on the pulse of the American people.
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I believe I do. BUT realistically I know its just my own belief/prejudice. As for as the people I interact with we are of one mind but I know that doesn't account for New York or California or other places. Just my local circle.

However I know one thing for certain. With absolute surety. When every liberal media outlet, every celebrity, every skank on a talk show, every leftist overseas politician who wants to take America down a notch and every Democrat official start chorusing the same message I KNOW I am witnessing a concerted propaganda effort. Not citizens beliefs.

 

[ChrisL]

Here's another one blabbering.

Michael Moore Calls for Repeal of 'Ancient & Outdated' 2nd Amendment

The 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere. Quit fearmongering. You sound ridiculous.

It's going to stay in the constitution. However, it may become eroded by case law made by the courts. In other words, "banana" can mean "pineapple" if the supreme court decides to call it that way.

Only if the people permit it.

People have been allowing the principles of the constitution to erode since it was established. If it's done slowly enough, people will allow it.

Yes, I hate seeing it happening before my eyes. People are MUCH too complacent and "comfortable" with their governments taking care of them and their needs.

 

[ChrisL]

And considering everything we KNOW about government!!! Stunning that people would put so MUCH trust in them. WE are the bosses in THIS country. No way do I want the government telling me that, even though criminals will have any weapons they want (because they WILL break the law), that I am limited in MY choices of self defense. They are then interfering in MY life and my safety as well. When something happens, the police don't arrive until AFTERWARDS. I sure don't want to become a statistic because some leftist is afraid of lunatics who happen to flip out and get weapons and kill a bunch of school kids. MOST gun owners do not and would not even think of doing such a thing. Just like MOST Muslims would not and do not even think of committing an act of terror. My gun rights are no less important than their religious rights.

 

[martybegan]

As a US Citizen I have a right to keep and bear arms, and the State cannot infringe on that.

Is a 3-6 month waiting period and $600 in fees infringement or not?

No.

Sorry.

SCOTUS says no. They have the final say.


Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

You don't like how Justice Scalia put it, then get the **** out.

So would you support a 1 week waiting period and say a $100 fee for an abortion?

And he didn't mean the States can just make laws to make it harder for people to get guns because the State thinks guns are icky. That's exactly what was struck down in heller.

And if you don't think NYC's laws are infringement then you are a complete ******* tool and are not worthy of debating honestly with.

So go **** off.

 

[2aguy]

Here's another one blabbering.

Michael Moore Calls for Repeal of 'Ancient & Outdated' 2nd Amendment

The 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere. Quit fearmongering. You sound ridiculous.

We are one justice away from losing it...

 

[2aguy]

Repeal the Second Amendment, and replace it work something work-able for both sides of the Gun-Control argument.

The Constitution is a living, breathing document, so to speak.

When conditions change - when the needs of the Nation change - the Constitution changes.

Time for the Constitution to change, again.

Yes....they registered their guns and turned them in, in Germany using the same arguments you guys use......and they only ended up murdering 12 million unarmed, men, women and children...

 

[2aguy]

As a US Citizen I have a right to keep and bear arms, and the State cannot infringe on that.

Is a 3-6 month waiting period and $600 in fees infringement or not?

No.

Sorry.

SCOTUS says no. They have the final say.


Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

You don't like how Justice Scalia put it, then get the **** out.

So would you support a 1 week waiting period and say a $100 fee for an abortion?

And he didn't mean the States can just make laws to make it harder for people to get guns because the State thinks guns are icky. That's exactly what was struck down in heller.

And if you don't think NYC's laws are infringement then you are a complete ******* tool and are not worthy of debating honestly with.

So go **** off.

How about before you can become a journalist you have to pass a government created test and pay the government a fee to get a license...dittos posting anything on the internet........

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Nobody gives out natural rights. We are BORN with them. They are an inherent part of being a human being.

Not really

Billions of people are born without those rights

Because of their governments oppressing them.

So you are not born with them

Billions of people are born without the right to own a firearm....their rights come from the government

No, your rights come from the governed....

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are (1) endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That (2) to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, (3) deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

Very true

And the governed is getting tired over endless massacres and a government that does nothing

Endless? Hardly.

 

[DOTR]

"Look...Joy Behar (who lives in a gated and protected building) and her millionaire friends want gun control must be the citizens asking for it."
Is there some way to understand that logic Mac1958 ?

 

[DOTR]

And considering everything we KNOW about government!!! Stunning that people would put so MUCH trust in them. WE are the bosses in THIS country. No way do I want the government telling me that, even though criminals will have any weapons they want (because they WILL break the law), that I am limited in MY choices of self defense. They are then interfering in MY life and my safety as well. When something happens, the police don't arrive until AFTERWARDS. I sure don't want to become a statistic because some leftist is afraid of lunatics who happen to flip out and get weapons and kill a bunch of school kids. MOST gun owners do not and would not even think of doing such a thing. Just like MOST Muslims would not and do not even think of committing an act of terror. My gun rights are no less important than their religious rights.

 

[pismoe]

I propose that the next time a Muslim terror attack happens, that we BAN the Muslim religion. We aren't going to ban ALL religions, just the Muslim religion. They use various tools at their disposal to accomplish their terrorist goals, bombs, knives, vehicles, guns, so it isn't so much the tool I am concerned about but rather the dangerous ideology which has seduced some into joining the cause of murdering innocent American citizens here and abroad. So, since I don't want to ban ALL religions and even though the vast majority of Muslims have never harmed anyone, I feel justified in banning their right to practice that particular religion due to the violence. How many children around the world have been killed in Muslim terror attacks?

Nobody is proposing a BAN on guns

Merely enhanced background checks on all purchases

Why do conservatives oppose it?

A slippery slope argument (SSA), in logic, critical thinking, political rhetoric, and caselaw, is a consequentialist logical device in which a party asserts that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant (usually negative) effect.

To them control = ban

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