"Repeal The Second Amendment!"

[martybegan]

it's been tried over and over and it dies in lower courts.

then that would be up to them to determine their own gun laws. now is that a good or bad thing?

As a US Citizen I have a right to keep and bear arms, and the State cannot infringe on that.

Is a 3-6 month waiting period and $600 in fees infringement or not?

those were never my questions or point i have been trying to make now is it?

i've said we have rights ONLY BECAUSE we agree upon them and protect them violently at times.
i've said our background checks need to be more inclusive.

never said a thing about NY Guns laws and not interested in that conversation because i am not familiar with them.

It's all part of the same conversation. It's part of the reason most RKBA people don't trust progressives and Democrats because they have an example of what progressives and democrats want.

And what categories do you want added to background checks, and who gets to decide who is "worthy" or not of having a gun?

all to be looked into. no i don't have all the answers now, i'd need to much better understand the system we have and talk to people who don't get 100% defensive when you bring it up.

as it stands, this "worthy" is bullshit because we've set the "worthy" standard already because while not often, people can and will be denied.

you seem to be thinking i'm a COME GET YOUR GUNS LIBERAL and i'm just not gonna follow along the extreme path of those types of conversations. if you want about what can be done to improve our system let me know. if you simply want to slam anyone who tries to talk about it, then let me know that too and i'll just stop responding cause we've got different goals then.

Defensive much?

The funny thing is I don't even own a gun, however I refuse to give up the right to get one when i feel like it, with minimum government interference,

Why? Because i am a law abiding citizen and some crappy City government can't deny me or delay me just because they feel like it.

 

[hunarcy]

Nobody gives out natural rights. We are BORN with them. They are an inherent part of being a human being.

Not really

Billions of people are born without those rights

Because of their governments oppressing them.

So you are not born with them

Billions of people are born without the right to own a firearm....their rights come from the government

No, those people live in places where their rights are oppressed BY their governments.

 

[martybegan]

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it's been tried over and over and it dies in lower courts.

then that would be up to them to determine their own gun laws. now is that a good or bad thing?

As a US Citizen I have a right to keep and bear arms, and the State cannot infringe on that.

Is a 3-6 month waiting period and $600 in fees infringement or not?

It's up to the Supreme Court to decide that.

That's not answering the question.

What is YOUR opinion, Yes or No?

You want me to 'rule' on a matter of constitutionality?

As a US Citizen I have a right to keep and bear arms, and the State cannot infringe on that.

Is a 3-6 month waiting period and $600 in fees infringement or not?

those were never my questions or point i have been trying to make now is it?

i've said we have rights ONLY BECAUSE we agree upon them and protect them violently at times.
i've said our background checks need to be more inclusive.

never said a thing about NY Guns laws and not interested in that conversation because i am not familiar with them.

It's all part of the same conversation. It's part of the reason most RKBA people don't trust progressives and Democrats because they have an example of what progressives and democrats want.

And what categories do you want added to background checks, and who gets to decide who is "worthy" or not of having a gun?

If the government is rendered powerless over issues of who is 'worthy' or 'not worthy' of anything,

then you have no government.

Sorry, but no. It's not about being rendered powerless it's about what process is allowed to decide it.

Right now the only constitutional way to lose ANY right unwillingly is via the courts, and only via individual prosecution or some other form of adjudication.

You don't 'lose a right' via the courts, you lose what you thought was a protected right and, turns out, the court didn't agree with you.

I want you to grow a spine and actually have an opinion on something.

Is it Infringement, yes or no?

And stop sucking Supreme Court Dick and argue the why, not the how.

You are a ******* lemming.

 

[iceberg]

then that would be up to them to determine their own gun laws. now is that a good or bad thing?

As a US Citizen I have a right to keep and bear arms, and the State cannot infringe on that.

Is a 3-6 month waiting period and $600 in fees infringement or not?

those were never my questions or point i have been trying to make now is it?

i've said we have rights ONLY BECAUSE we agree upon them and protect them violently at times.
i've said our background checks need to be more inclusive.

never said a thing about NY Guns laws and not interested in that conversation because i am not familiar with them.

It's all part of the same conversation. It's part of the reason most RKBA people don't trust progressives and Democrats because they have an example of what progressives and democrats want.

And what categories do you want added to background checks, and who gets to decide who is "worthy" or not of having a gun?

all to be looked into. no i don't have all the answers now, i'd need to much better understand the system we have and talk to people who don't get 100% defensive when you bring it up.

as it stands, this "worthy" is bullshit because we've set the "worthy" standard already because while not often, people can and will be denied.

you seem to be thinking i'm a COME GET YOUR GUNS LIBERAL and i'm just not gonna follow along the extreme path of those types of conversations. if you want about what can be done to improve our system let me know. if you simply want to slam anyone who tries to talk about it, then let me know that too and i'll just stop responding cause we've got different goals then.

Defensive much?

The funny thing is I don't even own a gun, however I refuse to give up the right to get one when i feel like it, with minimum government interference,

Why? Because i am a law abiding citizen and some crappy City government can't deny me or delay me just because they feel like it.

maybe. just seems like you're on an "attack" and i just don't want to get into a shouting match over this is all.

i own several guns. sold my AR and 1k rounds a few years ago and have an AK now. many rifles and pistols. so don't think for a second i don't believe we do in fact have this as a right, but look around, times have in fact changed and maybe the manner in which i got guns has shifted enough to warrant changing this too.

anyone comes for them i'll stand against 'em, 100%. but that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't change the inbetween along the way.

 

[alang1216]

I know. The world is even MORE dangerous now. Even more reason to be armed and ready to defend yourself and your family from a lunatic. "Gun control" measures have not worked and will not work. Guess why?

Some "Gun control" measures do work. None of the mass shooting have been with the use of a fully-automatic guns. Guess why?

Because those who purchase them legally are law abiding citizens who don't break the law. The investment they make it unwise to use them illegally

I don believe our most recent school shooter purchased the guns legally and hadn't broken any laws before becoming a mass murderer. Do you really think that school shooter would not have used the most deadly weapon he could get?

 

[martybegan]

As a US Citizen I have a right to keep and bear arms, and the State cannot infringe on that.

Is a 3-6 month waiting period and $600 in fees infringement or not?

those were never my questions or point i have been trying to make now is it?

i've said we have rights ONLY BECAUSE we agree upon them and protect them violently at times.
i've said our background checks need to be more inclusive.

never said a thing about NY Guns laws and not interested in that conversation because i am not familiar with them.

It's all part of the same conversation. It's part of the reason most RKBA people don't trust progressives and Democrats because they have an example of what progressives and democrats want.

And what categories do you want added to background checks, and who gets to decide who is "worthy" or not of having a gun?

all to be looked into. no i don't have all the answers now, i'd need to much better understand the system we have and talk to people who don't get 100% defensive when you bring it up.

as it stands, this "worthy" is bullshit because we've set the "worthy" standard already because while not often, people can and will be denied.

you seem to be thinking i'm a COME GET YOUR GUNS LIBERAL and i'm just not gonna follow along the extreme path of those types of conversations. if you want about what can be done to improve our system let me know. if you simply want to slam anyone who tries to talk about it, then let me know that too and i'll just stop responding cause we've got different goals then.

Defensive much?

The funny thing is I don't even own a gun, however I refuse to give up the right to get one when i feel like it, with minimum government interference,

Why? Because i am a law abiding citizen and some crappy City government can't deny me or delay me just because they feel like it.

maybe. just seems like you're on an "attack" and i just don't want to get into a shouting match over this is all.

i own several guns. sold my AR and 1k rounds a few years ago and have an AK now. many rifles and pistols. so don't think for a second i don't believe we do in fact have this as a right, but look around, times have in fact changed and maybe the manner in which i got guns has shifted enough to warrant changing this too.

anyone comes for them i'll stand against 'em, 100%. but that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't change the inbetween along the way.

You probably live in a place where gun rights are respected, I don't. I live in a place where only the well connected and rich get permits from the NYPD.

Just look at the back and forth I am having with NYcarbdipshit, he can't even admit that the waiting period and fees I talked about are infringement, or have the balls to say they are not.

 

[hunarcy]

Nobody gives out natural rights. We are BORN with them. They are an inherent part of being a human being.

Not really

Billions of people are born without those rights

Because of their governments oppressing them.

So you are not born with them

Billions of people are born without the right to own a firearm....their rights come from the government

No, your rights come from the governed....

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are (1) endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That (2) to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, (3) deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

Very true

And the governed is getting tired over endless massacres and a government that does nothing

I want a government that does something...but I want what it does to EFFECTIVELY address the problem. And the problem is not a firearm, it's a mentally unstable person who is a danger to himself or others who is wandering the streets unsupervised instead of being treated for their illness.

 

[hunarcy]

It's not the guns you should fear anyways, it's the people. It's the fact that there are people around who you cannot trust at all, even if they might SEEM to be normal. It's a crazy world out there, and I don't care if you are afraid of me or guns. I am going to protect myself, fuckers!

Fine.

Would it be too much to ask that the crazies not get guns... you know, just to be sure.

Why are the crazies free to wander around amongst us?

 

[iceberg]

those were never my questions or point i have been trying to make now is it?

i've said we have rights ONLY BECAUSE we agree upon them and protect them violently at times.
i've said our background checks need to be more inclusive.

never said a thing about NY Guns laws and not interested in that conversation because i am not familiar with them.

It's all part of the same conversation. It's part of the reason most RKBA people don't trust progressives and Democrats because they have an example of what progressives and democrats want.

And what categories do you want added to background checks, and who gets to decide who is "worthy" or not of having a gun?

all to be looked into. no i don't have all the answers now, i'd need to much better understand the system we have and talk to people who don't get 100% defensive when you bring it up.

as it stands, this "worthy" is bullshit because we've set the "worthy" standard already because while not often, people can and will be denied.

you seem to be thinking i'm a COME GET YOUR GUNS LIBERAL and i'm just not gonna follow along the extreme path of those types of conversations. if you want about what can be done to improve our system let me know. if you simply want to slam anyone who tries to talk about it, then let me know that too and i'll just stop responding cause we've got different goals then.

Defensive much?

The funny thing is I don't even own a gun, however I refuse to give up the right to get one when i feel like it, with minimum government interference,

Why? Because i am a law abiding citizen and some crappy City government can't deny me or delay me just because they feel like it.

maybe. just seems like you're on an "attack" and i just don't want to get into a shouting match over this is all.

i own several guns. sold my AR and 1k rounds a few years ago and have an AK now. many rifles and pistols. so don't think for a second i don't believe we do in fact have this as a right, but look around, times have in fact changed and maybe the manner in which i got guns has shifted enough to warrant changing this too.

anyone comes for them i'll stand against 'em, 100%. but that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't change the inbetween along the way.

You probably live in a place where gun rights are respected, I don't. I live in a place where only the well connected and rich get permits from the NYPD.

Just look at the back and forth I am having with NYcarbdipshit, he can't even admit that the waiting period and fees I talked about are infringement, or have the balls to say they are not.

i ignore that asshat because he never debates or talks, just slams and prances around.

yes, prances. i got no need to talk to a "prancer"

and i'm in texas so yes, it's literally go into a gun store, pick one out, check the "no" box all but 1 time and sign the other side. they make a phone call and 10 minutes later i walk out with a gun. your waiting period in texas is literally "how long will this call take"?

i would argue on your side that NYC is pretty damn strict to the point of restricting rights, but each state can make their own laws on this and it's up to the people to determine how these "rights" are handled. i just don't get how passing more and more laws will help stem gun violence when none of the laws/restrictions pass so far have done that.

that's why i want to back out and look at it all, not just slap a band aid on and let it keep limping along. in no way would i want to restrict rights of people to guns, but when someone has shit like:

1) gun crimes on their record
2) domestic abuse
3) history of mental illness and hurting others

these should be flagged. again, IF you deny someone the right to buy a gun, there MUST BE "due process' as to why you were denied and how to get that right restored.

but if you were caught with an illegal gun after already having gun charges against you, then at some point you lose the right to own/buy a gun and if you get caught with one after that, jail time. period.

it's not the laws but enforcement that is the issue, to me, as i understand things so far.

 

[martybegan]

It's all part of the same conversation. It's part of the reason most RKBA people don't trust progressives and Democrats because they have an example of what progressives and democrats want.

And what categories do you want added to background checks, and who gets to decide who is "worthy" or not of having a gun?

all to be looked into. no i don't have all the answers now, i'd need to much better understand the system we have and talk to people who don't get 100% defensive when you bring it up.

as it stands, this "worthy" is bullshit because we've set the "worthy" standard already because while not often, people can and will be denied.

you seem to be thinking i'm a COME GET YOUR GUNS LIBERAL and i'm just not gonna follow along the extreme path of those types of conversations. if you want about what can be done to improve our system let me know. if you simply want to slam anyone who tries to talk about it, then let me know that too and i'll just stop responding cause we've got different goals then.

Defensive much?

The funny thing is I don't even own a gun, however I refuse to give up the right to get one when i feel like it, with minimum government interference,

Why? Because i am a law abiding citizen and some crappy City government can't deny me or delay me just because they feel like it.

maybe. just seems like you're on an "attack" and i just don't want to get into a shouting match over this is all.

i own several guns. sold my AR and 1k rounds a few years ago and have an AK now. many rifles and pistols. so don't think for a second i don't believe we do in fact have this as a right, but look around, times have in fact changed and maybe the manner in which i got guns has shifted enough to warrant changing this too.

anyone comes for them i'll stand against 'em, 100%. but that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't change the inbetween along the way.

You probably live in a place where gun rights are respected, I don't. I live in a place where only the well connected and rich get permits from the NYPD.

Just look at the back and forth I am having with NYcarbdipshit, he can't even admit that the waiting period and fees I talked about are infringement, or have the balls to say they are not.

i ignore that asshat because he never debates or talks, just slams and prances around.

yes, prances. i got no need to talk to a "prancer"

and i'm in texas so yes, it's literally go into a gun store, pick one out, check the "no" box all but 1 time and sign the other side. they make a phone call and 10 minutes later i walk out with a gun. your waiting period in texas is literally "how long will this call take"?

i would argue on your side that NYC is pretty damn strict to the point of restricting rights, but each state can make their own laws on this and it's up to the people to determine how these "rights" are handled. i just don't get how passing more and more laws will help stem gun violence when none of the laws/restrictions pass so far have done that.

that's why i want to back out and look at it all, not just slap a band aid on and let it keep limping along. in no way would i want to restrict rights of people to guns, but when someone has shit like:

1) gun crimes on their record
2) domestic abuse
3) history of mental illness and hurting others

these should be flagged. again, IF you deny someone the right to buy a gun, there MUST BE "due process' as to why you were denied and how to get that right restored.

but if you were caught with an illegal gun after already having gun charges against you, then at some point you lose the right to own/buy a gun and if you get caught with one after that, jail time. period.

it's not the laws but enforcement that is the issue, to me, as i understand things so far.

The thing is if a person follows the Constitution, the States shouldn't even have laws like we have in NYC. A perfect system would have struck them down already, but as we know the system is far from perfect when justices go on feeling and desires and not on the original text of the constitution itself.

 

[iceberg]

all to be looked into. no i don't have all the answers now, i'd need to much better understand the system we have and talk to people who don't get 100% defensive when you bring it up.

as it stands, this "worthy" is bullshit because we've set the "worthy" standard already because while not often, people can and will be denied.

you seem to be thinking i'm a COME GET YOUR GUNS LIBERAL and i'm just not gonna follow along the extreme path of those types of conversations. if you want about what can be done to improve our system let me know. if you simply want to slam anyone who tries to talk about it, then let me know that too and i'll just stop responding cause we've got different goals then.

Defensive much?

The funny thing is I don't even own a gun, however I refuse to give up the right to get one when i feel like it, with minimum government interference,

Why? Because i am a law abiding citizen and some crappy City government can't deny me or delay me just because they feel like it.

maybe. just seems like you're on an "attack" and i just don't want to get into a shouting match over this is all.

i own several guns. sold my AR and 1k rounds a few years ago and have an AK now. many rifles and pistols. so don't think for a second i don't believe we do in fact have this as a right, but look around, times have in fact changed and maybe the manner in which i got guns has shifted enough to warrant changing this too.

anyone comes for them i'll stand against 'em, 100%. but that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't change the inbetween along the way.

You probably live in a place where gun rights are respected, I don't. I live in a place where only the well connected and rich get permits from the NYPD.

Just look at the back and forth I am having with NYcarbdipshit, he can't even admit that the waiting period and fees I talked about are infringement, or have the balls to say they are not.

i ignore that asshat because he never debates or talks, just slams and prances around.

yes, prances. i got no need to talk to a "prancer"

and i'm in texas so yes, it's literally go into a gun store, pick one out, check the "no" box all but 1 time and sign the other side. they make a phone call and 10 minutes later i walk out with a gun. your waiting period in texas is literally "how long will this call take"?

i would argue on your side that NYC is pretty damn strict to the point of restricting rights, but each state can make their own laws on this and it's up to the people to determine how these "rights" are handled. i just don't get how passing more and more laws will help stem gun violence when none of the laws/restrictions pass so far have done that.

that's why i want to back out and look at it all, not just slap a band aid on and let it keep limping along. in no way would i want to restrict rights of people to guns, but when someone has shit like:

1) gun crimes on their record
2) domestic abuse
3) history of mental illness and hurting others

these should be flagged. again, IF you deny someone the right to buy a gun, there MUST BE "due process' as to why you were denied and how to get that right restored.

but if you were caught with an illegal gun after already having gun charges against you, then at some point you lose the right to own/buy a gun and if you get caught with one after that, jail time. period.

it's not the laws but enforcement that is the issue, to me, as i understand things so far.

The thing is if a person follows the Constitution, the States shouldn't even have laws like we have in NYC. A perfect system would have struck them down already, but as we know the system is far from perfect when justices go on feeling and desires and not on the original text of the constitution itself.

and that's why i'd like to see the gov work with the NRA to come up with a plan. i'd like to see whoever is on this committee be trained and knowledgeable about guns and current laws. this is not an emotional problem to fix and we keep doing it emotionally.

 

[martybegan]

Defensive much?

The funny thing is I don't even own a gun, however I refuse to give up the right to get one when i feel like it, with minimum government interference,

Why? Because i am a law abiding citizen and some crappy City government can't deny me or delay me just because they feel like it.

maybe. just seems like you're on an "attack" and i just don't want to get into a shouting match over this is all.

i own several guns. sold my AR and 1k rounds a few years ago and have an AK now. many rifles and pistols. so don't think for a second i don't believe we do in fact have this as a right, but look around, times have in fact changed and maybe the manner in which i got guns has shifted enough to warrant changing this too.

anyone comes for them i'll stand against 'em, 100%. but that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't change the inbetween along the way.

You probably live in a place where gun rights are respected, I don't. I live in a place where only the well connected and rich get permits from the NYPD.

Just look at the back and forth I am having with NYcarbdipshit, he can't even admit that the waiting period and fees I talked about are infringement, or have the balls to say they are not.

i ignore that asshat because he never debates or talks, just slams and prances around.

yes, prances. i got no need to talk to a "prancer"

and i'm in texas so yes, it's literally go into a gun store, pick one out, check the "no" box all but 1 time and sign the other side. they make a phone call and 10 minutes later i walk out with a gun. your waiting period in texas is literally "how long will this call take"?

i would argue on your side that NYC is pretty damn strict to the point of restricting rights, but each state can make their own laws on this and it's up to the people to determine how these "rights" are handled. i just don't get how passing more and more laws will help stem gun violence when none of the laws/restrictions pass so far have done that.

that's why i want to back out and look at it all, not just slap a band aid on and let it keep limping along. in no way would i want to restrict rights of people to guns, but when someone has shit like:

1) gun crimes on their record
2) domestic abuse
3) history of mental illness and hurting others

these should be flagged. again, IF you deny someone the right to buy a gun, there MUST BE "due process' as to why you were denied and how to get that right restored.

but if you were caught with an illegal gun after already having gun charges against you, then at some point you lose the right to own/buy a gun and if you get caught with one after that, jail time. period.

it's not the laws but enforcement that is the issue, to me, as i understand things so far.

The thing is if a person follows the Constitution, the States shouldn't even have laws like we have in NYC. A perfect system would have struck them down already, but as we know the system is far from perfect when justices go on feeling and desires and not on the original text of the constitution itself.

and that's why i'd like to see the gov work with the NRA to come up with a plan. i'd like to see whoever is on this committee be trained and knowledgeable about guns and current laws. this is not an emotional problem to fix and we keep doing it emotionally.

The progressives are the ones with all the emotion. Again, we have a perfect example of what they want to do with the laws as set up in NYC.

 

[iceberg]

maybe. just seems like you're on an "attack" and i just don't want to get into a shouting match over this is all.

i own several guns. sold my AR and 1k rounds a few years ago and have an AK now. many rifles and pistols. so don't think for a second i don't believe we do in fact have this as a right, but look around, times have in fact changed and maybe the manner in which i got guns has shifted enough to warrant changing this too.

anyone comes for them i'll stand against 'em, 100%. but that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't change the inbetween along the way.

You probably live in a place where gun rights are respected, I don't. I live in a place where only the well connected and rich get permits from the NYPD.

Just look at the back and forth I am having with NYcarbdipshit, he can't even admit that the waiting period and fees I talked about are infringement, or have the balls to say they are not.

i ignore that asshat because he never debates or talks, just slams and prances around.

yes, prances. i got no need to talk to a "prancer"

and i'm in texas so yes, it's literally go into a gun store, pick one out, check the "no" box all but 1 time and sign the other side. they make a phone call and 10 minutes later i walk out with a gun. your waiting period in texas is literally "how long will this call take"?

i would argue on your side that NYC is pretty damn strict to the point of restricting rights, but each state can make their own laws on this and it's up to the people to determine how these "rights" are handled. i just don't get how passing more and more laws will help stem gun violence when none of the laws/restrictions pass so far have done that.

that's why i want to back out and look at it all, not just slap a band aid on and let it keep limping along. in no way would i want to restrict rights of people to guns, but when someone has shit like:

1) gun crimes on their record
2) domestic abuse
3) history of mental illness and hurting others

these should be flagged. again, IF you deny someone the right to buy a gun, there MUST BE "due process' as to why you were denied and how to get that right restored.

but if you were caught with an illegal gun after already having gun charges against you, then at some point you lose the right to own/buy a gun and if you get caught with one after that, jail time. period.

it's not the laws but enforcement that is the issue, to me, as i understand things so far.

The thing is if a person follows the Constitution, the States shouldn't even have laws like we have in NYC. A perfect system would have struck them down already, but as we know the system is far from perfect when justices go on feeling and desires and not on the original text of the constitution itself.

and that's why i'd like to see the gov work with the NRA to come up with a plan. i'd like to see whoever is on this committee be trained and knowledgeable about guns and current laws. this is not an emotional problem to fix and we keep doing it emotionally.

The progressives are the ones with all the emotion. Again, we have a perfect example of what they want to do with the laws as set up in NYC.

which is why first and foremost my effort is to qualify people for being on the committee to work on this issue. i do agree progressives are the ones screaming w/o understanding, which is why i said you need to pass some form of test or go through a month of training to understand the issues first THEN you can help create / change laws and processes.

Inaccurate remarks on gun magazines put Rep. Diana DeGette under scrutiny – The Denver Post

shit like that is why i don't trust liberals to run with this. that and green tipped ammo is armor piercing. 100% a lie, so what else you lying about?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Here's another one blabbering.

Michael Moore Calls for Repeal of 'Ancient & Outdated' 2nd Amendment

Good luck with that

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

How about those that don't want to follow the constitution move.

So, Ted Cruz and the GOP in the U.S. Senate...? 2016 Scalia died and they'd be goddamned if they were going let the black man replace him... so they pulled "precedent" from their ass, called it the Biden rule and put the constitution on pause until after the election...

and the Dems did very little to stop them because they know in the next election cycle, they might want to pause the constitution....

Welcome to the age of American Nihilism where the champions of the constitution (Ted Cruz) only really follow it when it's convenient...

When was the Constitution "paused"? Be specific.

 

[BluesLegend]

Here's another one blabbering.

Michael Moore Calls for Repeal of 'Ancient & Outdated' 2nd Amendment

We have repeatedly warned this is what the left want, they deny it, then Moore confirms it.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Defensive much?

The funny thing is I don't even own a gun, however I refuse to give up the right to get one when i feel like it, with minimum government interference,

Why? Because i am a law abiding citizen and some crappy City government can't deny me or delay me just because they feel like it.

maybe. just seems like you're on an "attack" and i just don't want to get into a shouting match over this is all.

i own several guns. sold my AR and 1k rounds a few years ago and have an AK now. many rifles and pistols. so don't think for a second i don't believe we do in fact have this as a right, but look around, times have in fact changed and maybe the manner in which i got guns has shifted enough to warrant changing this too.

anyone comes for them i'll stand against 'em, 100%. but that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't change the inbetween along the way.

You probably live in a place where gun rights are respected, I don't. I live in a place where only the well connected and rich get permits from the NYPD.

Just look at the back and forth I am having with NYcarbdipshit, he can't even admit that the waiting period and fees I talked about are infringement, or have the balls to say they are not.

i ignore that asshat because he never debates or talks, just slams and prances around.

yes, prances. i got no need to talk to a "prancer"

and i'm in texas so yes, it's literally go into a gun store, pick one out, check the "no" box all but 1 time and sign the other side. they make a phone call and 10 minutes later i walk out with a gun. your waiting period in texas is literally "how long will this call take"?

i would argue on your side that NYC is pretty damn strict to the point of restricting rights, but each state can make their own laws on this and it's up to the people to determine how these "rights" are handled. i just don't get how passing more and more laws will help stem gun violence when none of the laws/restrictions pass so far have done that.

that's why i want to back out and look at it all, not just slap a band aid on and let it keep limping along. in no way would i want to restrict rights of people to guns, but when someone has shit like:

1) gun crimes on their record
2) domestic abuse
3) history of mental illness and hurting others

these should be flagged. again, IF you deny someone the right to buy a gun, there MUST BE "due process' as to why you were denied and how to get that right restored.

but if you were caught with an illegal gun after already having gun charges against you, then at some point you lose the right to own/buy a gun and if you get caught with one after that, jail time. period.

it's not the laws but enforcement that is the issue, to me, as i understand things so far.

The thing is if a person follows the Constitution, the States shouldn't even have laws like we have in NYC. A perfect system would have struck them down already, but as we know the system is far from perfect when justices go on feeling and desires and not on the original text of the constitution itself.

and that's why i'd like to see the gov work with the NRA to come up with a plan. i'd like to see whoever is on this committee be trained and knowledgeable about guns and current laws. this is not an emotional problem to fix and we keep doing it emotionally.

It will never be fixed. All the laws in the world will not stop criminals and disturbed people.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Not according to America's foundational documents.

great. then take our "god given rights" to another country, say n korea, and demand they honor them.

let me know how that goes.

What a silly, childish response. Do you deny the Founders considered certain rights as inalienable and God-given as part of the founding philosophy?

and if you don't believe in God, do you have no rights? and if God gives these out, why are they not the same in every country, even the ones who believe in God?

and i'm the one doing silly, childish responses.

Your admittance is accepted.

 

[iceberg]

great. then take our "god given rights" to another country, say n korea, and demand they honor them.

let me know how that goes.

What a silly, childish response. Do you deny the Founders considered certain rights as inalienable and God-given as part of the founding philosophy?

and if you don't believe in God, do you have no rights? and if God gives these out, why are they not the same in every country, even the ones who believe in God?

and i'm the one doing silly, childish responses.

Your admittance is accepted.

later - sliding to ignore.

 

[jc456]

It's not the guns you should fear anyways, it's the people. It's the fact that there are people around who you cannot trust at all, even if they might SEEM to be normal. It's a crazy world out there, and I don't care if you are afraid of me or guns. I am going to protect myself, fuckers!

Fine.

Would it be too much to ask that the crazies not get guns... you know, just to be sure.

how can you tag them as crazy when they aren't when they buy them?