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[PoliticalChic]

I guess we shoiuld throw his as in prison for Inciting Violense.

What OATH DID HE TAKE TO COME HERE AS A VilSITOR? Is he in Violation of that Oath?

Why do we keep those here who came here to piss on our flag?

Do you remember the Constitution?

The Supremes do.



In Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), the Supreme Court established the "imminent lawless action" test, limiting government restrictions on speech to cases where it is both directed at inciting imminent violence and likely to produce such action.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• The Case:
  Clarence Brandenburg, a Ku Klux Klan leader, was convicted under an Ohio law that prohibited advocating for violence or crime.
  
  
• The Ohio Law:
  The law, known as the Criminal Syndicalism Act, made it a crime to advocate for violence or crime as a means of political reform.
  
  
• The Supreme Court Ruling:
  The Supreme Court overturned Brandenburg's conviction, finding that the Ohio law violated his First Amendment right to free speech.
  • The speech must be "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action".
  • Google.

 

[eagle1462010]

then try this one eagle>

When the Supreme Court ruled to allow American flag burning | Constitution Center

On June 21, 1989, a deeply divided United States Supreme Court upheld the rights of protesters to burn the American flag in a landmark First Amendment decision.

constitutioncenter.org

~S~

Yup. And it OFFENDS ME.

Now they block roads, burn shit, attack people BECAUSE ITS THEIR RIGHT?

Its my right to tell them to fuck off.

You peeps here are taking usvto the path of Europe.

 

[JGalt]

You've probably noticed, I have a pretty high regard for myself.

I have no doubt that you do. You're also probably pretty, clean, and smell nice too.

But I digress.

 

[IM2]

"I'm not sure you can compare the KKK with Hamas. To me, they are two vastly different entities. Besides, the KKK, as racist as they were, did not advocate genocide like Hamas. Actually, Planned Parenthood did and does that."

What? Apparently you don't know the history of Palestine or America.

 

[Leo123]

So you don't believe a citizen or a permanent resident can have an opinion different from yours?


You really want to die on that hill?


Are you a Democrat? ff not, they'd love to have you.

Supporting terrorism is not just an opinion IMHO. I don't want to die on the hill of accepting foreign terrorists in America. Hamas should not be given a green card in the first place. I usually agree with you but, I think you're on the wrong side here even though I support free speech.

 

[JGalt]

he is a legal resident, and that the Constitution applies to him.

Permanent legal residents are protected under the laws of the United States and all local jurisdictions. In addition, permanent legal residents are protected and maintain rights as given by the Constitution, including due process of law and equal protection under the law.
Howard University School of Law Library
https://library.law.howard.edu › immigration › rights
https://library.law.howard.edu/civi...are protected,equal protection under the law.
https://library.law.howard.edu/civi...are protected,equal protection under the law.
No statutes, case law, state laws, etc trump the Constitution. That's my position:
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1791, protects fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, speech, the press, assembly, and the right to petition the government.

• Freedom of Speech:
  This protects the right to express oneself, even if the expression is unpopular or controversial.

https://library.law.howard.edu/civi...are protected,equal protection under the law.




I guess it's you versus the Constitution.

He's not an American citizen and has Algerian citizenship.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And here is the problem with your lie Ms I graduated from Columbia.

View attachment 1090500
Selective Bias: Asian Americans, Test Scores, and Holistic Admissions evaluates the common arguments made by affirmative action critics and Students for Fair Admissions, which is suing Harvard University and has lawsuits pending against the University of North Carolina and the University of Texas at Austin over their admissions practices. The report finds no strong evidence of discrimination against Asian American applicants in admissions to highly selective colleges.
View attachment 1090502
Critics claim that if colleges considered only academic merit, Asian American applicants would gain a greater number of seats. SFFA and other affirmative action critics often base their allegations on three factors:

• stagnant enrollment shares for Asian American students
• relatively low acceptance rates of Asian American applicants
• differences in SAT scores between Asian American and non–Asian American students at the most selective colleges.

We find all of these arguments to be unconvincing. Here’s why:

The Asian American Enrollment Share at the Most Selective Colleges Has Remained Stable Over the Past Decade​

The enrollment share of Asian American and Pacific Islander students at Harvard and at the 90 other most selective colleges has kept pace with their growing share of the four-year college-going population. In fact, the Asian American and Pacific Islander share of enrollments at the most selective colleges grew by 4 percentage points even while their enrollment share at all four-year colleges grew by just 2 percentage points between 1999 and 2018.

Asian American Students are More Likely to Apply to Highly Selective Colleges Regardless of Test Scores​

Among students who scored 1300 or above on the SAT, 65% of Asian American students applied to one of the most selective colleges in the country, compared to 50% of non–Asian American students. And among students who scored below 1300, 12% of Asian American students took a chance and applied to one of the most selective colleges, compared to only 5% of non–Asian American students. Since more Asian American students apply to selective colleges, they are more likely to be denied a seat, which is not evidence of bias.

View attachment 1090506

The Gain for Asian American Applicants Would Be Marginal in a Test-only Admissions System​

Overall, in a test-only admissions system, Asian American college applicants would gain a total of fewer than 3,000 seats at the most selective colleges, compared to the nearly 14,500 seats they typically capture in an admissions year. The share of Asian American high school students in a class attending these colleges would increase from 12% to 14%.

Many Asian American Applicants Already Benefit Greatly from Holistic Admissions​

In a test-only admissions system, 21% of Asian American students and 39% of non–Asian American students would lose their seats in the most selective colleges to students with higher test scores. While it is the case that Asian American students who would not make the cut in a test-only approach overall have higher test-scores, they are also nearly twice as likely as their non–Asian American counterparts to have the lowest scores in the selective college applicant pool.

Conclusion​

These facts combined tell us that while a test-only admissions standard would affect fewer current Asian American students than non-Asian American students, Asian American students are more likely to be among those who received the largest “boost” from holistic admissions.

Selective Bias: Asian Americans, Test Scores, and Holistic Admissions - CEW Georgetown

There’s no strong evidence of discrimination against Asian American applicants in admissions to highly selective colleges.

cew.georgetown.edu

We learn how to do research in the Big 12.

You're the one who said Asians were the smartest.....


I'm simply agreeing with you.



. " For Asian Americans, a changing landscape on college admissions

.... a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant's race is worth. She points to the first column.

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,”....."
For Asian Americans a changing landscape on college admissions - LA Times




. "....what happens to the famous Chinese family values? ....In fact, the Fujianeseimmigrants don’t have a family life, or at least not one that middle-class Americans would recognize. “I never saw my parents,” Mandy Wong told me. Wong graduated from Brooklyn Tech High School and is now a junior at Hamilton College.Her parents “worked from 10 AM to 1 AM.” .....She had many chores, and by third grade, she was serving as primary caretaker for her younger brothers. She had few friends—not because she was unlikable but because friends were deemed an unnecessary waste of time..... “I was considered one of the lucky ones,” she says, “because I had grandparents to take care of me and didn’t have to spend all my time in the sweatshop.” She was referring to the many poor Fujianese kids with nowhere to go after school but their mothers’ steaming workplaces..... children sometimes get enlisted as reduced-fee or even free labor.



First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. ....education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
....one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC foundone Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000. "
Brooklyn s Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz City Journal Spring 2014



Yet these are the people that Liberals deem eligible to be sacrificed.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Oath of Allegiance is a legally binding declaration that immigrants must make to become U.S. citizens, promising loyalty to the United States, renouncing allegiance to other countries, and pledging to support and defend the U.S. Constitution.

Here's a more detailed explanation:


What it is:

• Final Step in Naturalization:
  The Oath of Allegiance is the final step in the naturalization process, where individuals formally become U.S. citizens.
  
  
• Promising Loyalty:
  It involves swearing allegiance to the United States and renouncing allegiance to any other country.
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• MY OATH IS TO THE U.S. NOT GAZA.

 

[Leo123]

he is a legal resident, and that the Constitution applies to him.

Permanent legal residents are protected under the laws of the United States and all local jurisdictions. In addition, permanent legal residents are protected and maintain rights as given by the Constitution, including due process of law and equal protection under the law.
Howard University School of Law Library
https://library.law.howard.edu › immigration › rights
https://library.law.howard.edu/civi...are protected,equal protection under the law.
https://library.law.howard.edu/civi...are protected,equal protection under the law.
No statutes, case law, state laws, etc trump the Constitution. That's my position:
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1791, protects fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, speech, the press, assembly, and the right to petition the government.

• Freedom of Speech:
  This protects the right to express oneself, even if the expression is unpopular or controversial.

https://library.law.howard.edu/civi...are protected,equal protection under the law.




I guess it's you versus the Constitution.

True and even illegal aliens, once they set foot in America, are entitled to due process which is what this guy is getting. Also, promoting terrorism is not just an expression that is 'unpopular or controversial' it is fomenting violence.

 

[sparky]

The legal paradox here is the Patriot act where on forfeits their rights if declared 'terrorist'

no constitution need apply.......

and one might be fine with that , but it's who gets to define 'terrorist' that's the crux of the issue

~S~

 

[PoliticalChic]

Supporting terrorism is not just an opinion IMHO. I don't want to die on the hill of accepting foreign terrorists in America. Hamas should not be given a green card in the first place. I usually agree with you but, I think you're on the wrong side here even though I support free speech.

" foreign terrorists"


People begin to make stuff up when they sense they are losing the argument.

See what I mean?

 

[PoliticalChic]

He's not an American citizen and has Algerian citizenship.

He's not an American citizen and has Algerian citizenship.

Permanent legal residents are protected under the laws of the United States and all local jurisdictions. In addition, permanent legal residents are protected and maintain rights as given by the Constitution,

 

[Robert W]

1.I am speaking as a Trump voter, and a conservative. We are at this point, the power in America. Remember what the Democrats/Liberals did when they were the power......
....let's not become them.


2."Mahmoud Khalil was a graduate student at Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs (SIPA) at the time of the 2024 Columbia University pro-Palestinian campus occupations.<a href="Detention of Mahmoud Khalil - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> He is a permanent U.S. resident with a green card.<a href="Detention of Mahmoud Khalil - Wikipedia

3. The detention is the first publicly known deportation effort related to pro-Palestine activism under President Donald Trump, who has promised to punish students and others he says support Hamas or promote antisemitism.<a href="Detention of Mahmoud Khalil - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a><a href="Detention of Mahmoud Khalil - Wikipedia

4. There is no criminal charge against Khalil.


5. This individual, as abhorent as he and his views are, should be seen in the context of the reason we voted against the Democrats: they enforced censorship against those who didn't agree with their possitions. We cannot allow ourselves to use our power to become those Fascists.

This Khalil should not be deported for his views.

You make great arguments. I am not disputing them.
I want to stick to Khalil and nothing else.
What I understand he did at the university is stir up hate. We may hate the hate laws, but when a person comes to the USA, he needs to think of himself as the guest and not the citizen. We have the right of free speech. But let's try to put this into another context say of WW2 when Hitler invaded France. If we had a Nazi in our university praising Hitler, it is reasonable that the law and citizens would be thinking of being violent. And students in a university should not be forced into the area of a violent event.

 

[Leo123]

" foreign terrorists"


People begin to make stuff up when they sense they are losing the argument.

See what I mean?

Is he not promoting foreign terrorists? Hamas promotes Jewish genocide.

 

[PoliticalChic]

True and even illegal aliens, once they set foot in America, are entitled to due process which is what this guy is getting. Also, promoting terrorism is not just an expression that is 'unpopular or controversial' it is fomenting violence.

Not according to the Supreme Court.


In Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), the Supreme Court established the "imminent lawless action" test, limiting government restrictions on speech to cases where it is both directed at inciting imminent violence and likely to produce such action.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• The Case:
  Clarence Brandenburg, a Ku Klux Klan leader, was convicted under an Ohio law that prohibited advocating for violence or crime.
  
  
• The Ohio Law:
  The law, known as the Criminal Syndicalism Act, made it a crime to advocate for violence or crime as a means of political reform.
  
  
• The Supreme Court Ruling:
  The Supreme Court overturned Brandenburg's conviction, finding that the Ohio law violated his First Amendment right to free speech.
  • The speech must be "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action".
  • Google.

 

[Robert W]

Permanent legal residents are protected under the laws of the United States and all local jurisdictions. In addition, permanent legal residents are protected and maintain rights as given by the Constitution,

Here is a problem to consider. Do not become a target of the left wingers. They will chew this up and try to turn it into feces. Do not think the Democrats are going to be reasonable.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You make great arguments. I am not disputing them.
I want to stick to Khalil and nothing else.
What I understand he did at the university is stir up hate. We may hate the hate laws, but when a person comes to the USA, he needs to think of himself as the guest and not the citizen. We have the right of free speech. But let's try to put this into another context say of WW2 when Hitler invaded France. If we had a Nazi in our university praising Hitler, it is reasonable that the law and citizens would be thinking of being violent. And students in a university should not be forced into the area of a violent event.

All the people in his group were haters.

But isn't that what a protest is?

You don't protest stuff you love.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is he not promoting foreign terrorists? Hamas promotes Jewish genocide.

Is he a terrorist?

 

[IM2]

You're the one who said Asians were the smartest.....


I'm simply agreeing with you.



. " For Asian Americans, a changing landscape on college admissions

.... a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term “bonus” to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant's race is worth. She points to the first column.

African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,”....."
For Asian Americans a changing landscape on college admissions - LA Times




. "....what happens to the famous Chinese family values? ....In fact, the Fujianeseimmigrants don’t have a family life, or at least not one that middle-class Americans would recognize. “I never saw my parents,” Mandy Wong told me. Wong graduated from Brooklyn Tech High School and is now a junior at Hamilton College.Her parents “worked from 10 AM to 1 AM.” .....She had many chores, and by third grade, she was serving as primary caretaker for her younger brothers. She had few friends—not because she was unlikable but because friends were deemed an unnecessary waste of time..... “I was considered one of the lucky ones,” she says, “because I had grandparents to take care of me and didn’t have to spend all my time in the sweatshop.” She was referring to the many poor Fujianese kids with nowhere to go after school but their mothers’ steaming workplaces..... children sometimes get enlisted as reduced-fee or even free labor.



First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. ....education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
....one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC foundone Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000. "
Brooklyn s Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz City Journal Spring 2014



Yet these are the people that Liberals deem eligible to be sacrificed.

Put down that stale debunked Princeton study and understand that I was being sarcastic. And you really need to stop lying about liberals. It would also serve you well to stop reading white supremacist material. But then again you aren't really Asian.

 

[sparky]

Yup. And it OFFENDS ME.

and you'd be far from alone eagle, yet i'm reminded of those legless vets in wheelchairs that testified to having served for those a**holes to have freedom of speech

Its my right to tell them to fuck off.

well, you've that right so far........ ~S~