BREAKING: Columbia anti-Israel protester Mahmoud Khalil can be deported, judge rules

[Darkwind]

Read your own source, and tell me where exactly it forbids political activism? It only forbids being part of certain parties. NOT being politically active.

Incitement, property destruction, and violence is not political activism.

Political activism is hang posters on buildings. writing letters, chanting nonsensical slogans at whatever Gods they worship.

This is NOT a case of expressing an opinion different than the administration. I know you want it to be, but it isn't so fuck him.

 

[Edgetho]

You have to wait for them to get their talking points. Takes a bit these days as they are all discomboobulated.

DUE PROCESS!!!

Most of the dimocrap scum don't even know what that means.

Frankly, it seems to be bullshit phrase that can mean whatever somebody wants it to mean.

AFAIC, for a Goat Fucking Sand Monkey, it means duly caught and duly executed.



The last act of human dignity by this woman was to try to keep her skirt from flying up to protect her modesty after Goat Fucking scum flew hijacked American Aircraft into a Civilian target.

And dimocrap scum want to defend them.

Ask me why I despise dimocrap scum with every fiber of my Being again.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Incitement, property destruction, and violence is not political activism.

Political activism is hang posters on buildings. writing letters, chanting nonsensical slogans at whatever Gods they worship.

This is NOT a case of expressing an opinion different than the administration. I know you want it to be, but it isn't so fuck him.

I wonder, did Rubio cite as much in his evidentiary presentation against Khalil?

My mind is going a million mph about it.

 

[krichton]

Since I'm turning over a new leaf here, I'm gonna want to see what kind of evidence Rubio presented that convinced this judge he was deportable. "Meeting the burden of proof" for a judge is a pretty high standard. I am a proponent of First Amendment rights, so I really would like to know how the evidence was so compelling that it caused the judge to see past Khalil's First Amendment rights.

There's no evidence. Rubio simply cited the immigration and nationality act of 1952. This act allows the secretary of state sole discretion to oust anyone he pleases if he "believes" someone is a "threat" to national security. wink, wink

 

[krichton]

Good to hear a ruling from a judge that understands the situation.
It won't be long before a combination of pro-Palestinian leftists hellbent on dividing this nation get onto this thread and complain, as well as individuals who have no actual knowledge of the ongoing turmoil over there, jumping onboard to also protest. For those people, I'll put these actual facts out:
1. For the "Queers for Palestine" crowd, fact: To Hamas and most Palestinians, homosexuality is punishable by death. Period. The same holds true in Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, et cetera. Why? Because the Quran and Sharia rule, with an iron fist.
2. Why Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran want a complete genocide on "all" Jews, especially those in Israel: It's about "subjugation not territory." Definition of subjugation: To bring about domination or control by conquest. Islam is a "conquering religion."
3. As for Khalil, he came on a student visa, which means he comes knowing that he is just a "guest" and not entitled to the same rights as citizens, so must behave properly to stay. It's the same principle as when you invite a guest over to your house. If they start causing problems, you can toss them out. Foreign "guests" on student visas cannot actively support known terrorist organizations and calling for the downfall of the nation they are in a guest of.

Everyone in the US is guaranteed the right of free speech under the first amendment, citizen and non citizen alike. This is why it is the first and most important of the amendments. The act of lawful protest cannot be made a crime by the immigration and nationality act, thus circumventing the first amendment. Even Trump's supreme court would be forced to strike down the lower court's decision.

 

[forkup]

Incitement, property destruction, and violence is not political activism.

Political activism is hang posters on buildings. writing letters, chanting nonsensical slogans at whatever Gods they worship.

This is NOT a case of expressing an opinion different than the administration. I know you want it to be, but it isn't so fuck him.

So now we have one guy who claims he lied on his immigration forms. And you who claims he committed 3 other crimes. Crimes that if proven can cause deportation without any controversy.

You know who doesn't make those claims... the prosecutors. Just like they don't claim it in the hundreds of other cases of student visas being revoked as we speak.

Why make use of a legal loophole that allows for deportation by a simple, and rarely used determination by any Secretary of State in history besides Rubio. When a nice, simple, legal, and ubiquitous rationale is available? A rationale that would not be challenged if proven in a court of law.

My bet is that Trump and his cronies know that the nice, simple, legal and ubiquitous rationale would run headfirst into the first amendment. Something you guys claim to find very important, and to be interpreted in the broadest possible sense, when speech you like is concerned, and not worth the parchment in the national archives it was written on when you don't like that speech.

 

[krichton]

Foreigners on student/guest visas do not, repeat, do not have the same rights as citizens of this nation. If you are a guest here from a foreign nation, you have to act appropriately. Apparently you lack the concept to understand the word "guest."

Freedom of speech is guaranteed to all.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I predict that SCOTUS could rule in Khalil's favor, though. Because from my viewpoint, activism isn't a crime. It's free speech. It's only when that activism results in violent behavior does it cross the realm from free speech into endangering safety, and thus a violation of your LPR status.

Rubio's case will have to meet an even higher burden once it reaches SCOTUS.

In light of what happened in Washington DC the other night, I may have to revisit this opinion.

Now this rhetoric is being used by those murdering innocent Jewish citizens.

 

[Coyote]

Kill the Jews was well beyond activism

He never said that.

 

[TemplarKormac]

He never said that.

May I ask what words he was using?

Was it anything like "Free, Free Palestine" or "There is only one solution, Intifada revolution?"

 

[Coyote]

In light of what happened in Washington DC the other night, I may have to revisit this opinion.

Now this rhetoric is being used by those murdering innocent Jewish citizens.

There are always unhinged people who will take it to the extreme. Since the start of Gaza war:

The murder of the two young Jewish embassy workers.
A Palestinian American student in Vermont shot and paralyzed.
The arson attack on Governor Shapiro’s home.
A six year old Palestinian American child stabbed to death.

In regards to Mahmoud Khalil, I can find no evidence that he called for any kind of violence on anyone or for anyone to be killed. If he had, he wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. So why was he arrested and his green card revoked? There is only one reason: shut down criticism of the Gaza war.

Think about how this process is playing out:

The government is being given lists of names of students, some engaged in these protests, some nothing more than expressing opinions in support of human rights or opposition to the war in Gaza.

Visa’ and green cards are being revoked with out notifying the person until ICE comes to arrest them.

The government has in most of these cases not been able to come up with any actual crime or action these people have done that normally would cause the revocation of a visa or green card.

This has become evident when the cases get to the courts so now the government is frantically combing records to find anything on them…misdemeanors mostly, to justify it…and even then…tbey still get it wrong!

This is crazy. You arrest someone when there is reasonable evidence that a law has been broken and a crime has occurred. Evidence first. You don’t arrest people (in this case for nothing more than speech the government disagrees with) and THEN look around for evidence of any crimes to justify it. That is how an authoritarian state operates.

 

[Coyote]

May I ask what words he was using?

Was it anything like "Free, Free Palestine" or "There is only one solution, Intifada revolution?"

I can’t find anything showing that is what he called for nor has the government provided any specific evidence that he ever called for violence or to support Hamas.

What I’ve read states he supported disinvestment of businesses in Israel.

Since they couldn’t show any evidence that Khalil called for violence they kept changing the case trying to find something deportable. This isn’t about anything he has actually done, it is about free speech.

 

[Lisa558]

Freedom of speech is guaranteed to all.

Not if the result of it causes violence….and now murder….ESPECIALLY when it’s being invited by antisemitic foreigners in our country by invitation.

 

[Lisa558]

In light of what happened in Washington DC the other night, I may have to revisit this opinion.

Now this rhetoric is being used by those murdering innocent Jewish citizens.

The chilling thing is that rhetoric resulting in assaults and violence against blacks would not be tolerated. Leftists have demonstrated a shocking tolerance of violence against Jews being incited by Arab propaganda (from foreigners yet!) as “free speech” while throwing fits about an Aunt Jemima logo because it could be offensive to blacks

 

[Lisa558]

He never said that.

Except when I condemned the students at Columbia who were marching around screaming “Death to Jews!,” you did indeed defend it as free speech.

Even worse, you attempted to squash MY free speech to condemn the calls to genocide the Jews! You said you thought my objection (to the calls to murder Jews) was overblown and that I was making an issue of it in order to suppress the antisemites’ “free speech.”

So you defended the free speech of Jew-haters to kill the Jews - and then criticized a Jew who objects to that rhetoric!

Seems you think antisemites have free speech to spew their venom, but Jews need to shut up if they don’t like it.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Peacefully and Patriotically make your voices heard is a call to violence, then definitely this antisemitic rhetoric that results in Jews being gunned down in the street is a call to violence.

IT IS HATE SPEECH! LEFTIES HATE HATE SPEECH!

 

[Lisa558]

Peacefully and Patriotically make your voices heard is a call to violence, then definitely this antisemitic rhetoric that results in Jews being gunned down in the street is a call to violence.

IT IS HATE SPEECH! LEFTIES HATE HATE SPEECH!

Scary how tolerant the left is of violence against Jews, isn’t it? History has shown us how it ends.

 

[Dragonlady]

In light of what happened in Washington DC the other night, I may have to revisit this opinion.

Now this rhetoric is being used by those murdering innocent Jewish citizens.

This rhetoric has been around since Jesus walked the earth but only in America can any idiot buy a guy and act on it.

 

[krichton]

Not if the result of it causes violence….and now murder….ESPECIALLY when it’s being invited by antisemitic foreigners in our country by invitation.

protesting the government isn't an incitement to murder or commit violence, unless that is in the language of the your protests. If I go protest for universal healthcare and then some lunatic kills a healthcare CEO, then that means the government should suspend the first amendment? No, not over my dead body. I know that many of you out there wish we can just drop the facade that we live in a democracy, with a constitution that we need to follow, but these are only in your fantasies, no one else subscribes to them but other fascists.

I encourage you to watch cctv footage of cowardly Israeli snipers and other soldiers picking off small Palestinian children one by one who are just walking, standing around or playing, and then you tell me everyone protesting the war is just "antisemitic." Heck, the IDF even shot at diplomats gathered from around the world, including 4 Canadians. In the greatest of ironies, the people who were once persecuted and victimized by the Nazis have become the Nazis themselves.

 

[Lisa558]

protesting the government isn't an incitement to murder or commit violence, unless that is in the language of the your protests. If I go protest for universal healthcare and then some lunatic kills a healthcare CEO, then that means the government should suspend the first amendment? No, not over my dead body. I know that many of you out there wish we can just drop the facade that we live in a democracy, with a constitution that we need to follow, but these are only in your fantasies, no one else subscribes to them but other fascists.

I encourage you to watch cctv footage of cowardly Israeli snipers and other soldiers picking off small Palestinian children one by one who are just walking, standing around or playing, and then you tell me everyone protesting the war is just "antisemitic." Heck, the IDF even shot at diplomats gathered from around the world, including 4 Canadians. In the greatest of ironies, the people who were once persecuted and victimized by the Nazis have become the Nazis themselves.

It’s gone way beyond “protesting the government.” It is spreading LIES rooted in antisemitism and resulting in violence against Jews.

The rest of your post was the one-sided approach we are getting, ignoring that the Palestinians started the whole thing on Oct 7 - and, unlike Israel, set about to hunt down and find and torture to death every Jew they could, in the most agaonizing ways.

There is no moral equivalence, and your hostility toward Jews is obvious.