Registration of firearms leads to confiscation

The Supreme Court has ruled you DO NOT have to be a member of a militia in order to own firearms.



WASHINGTON — In a stunning precedent-breaking case, the Supreme Court has overturned the militia clause of the 2nd Amendment, citing poor National Guard weapons skills.

“For over 200 years, the right to ‘keep and bear arms as part of a well-ordered militia’ has stood in the 2nd amendment,” said Chief Justice John G. Roberts in a rare 9-0 opinion.

“This court debated if that clause limits gun ownership to just members of the militia, or the National Guard as it’s now called, or if all Americans have the right to keep and bear arms. Given recent information, this court sees that the framers were exactly wrong. This court ruled that literally, anyone but the militia should have the right to firearms because seriously, have you seen them shoot?”

Roberts added that if he wanted to see a shot group like that, he’d throw rice at a sticky rat trap.



Now for a serious link …



District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitutionprotects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, unconnected with service in a militia, for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that the District of Columbia's handgun ban and requirement that lawfully owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.[1] It also stated that the right to bear arms is not unlimited and that guns and gun ownership would continue to be regulated. It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense or whether the right was intended for state militias.[2]

Because of the District of Columbia's status as a federal enclave (it is not in any U.S. state), the decision did not address the question of whether the Second Amendment's protections are incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution against the states.[3] This point was addressed two years later by McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010), in which it was found that they are.
The question at hand is ……Is Gun Registration Constitutional?

The second amendment says it is
 
sorry, junior.

Militia at that time consisted of a specific group of people..

Males, ages 16-45.

NO females, (of any age),

No males over the age of 45, (in some states, 57).

No one not sound of mind and body.

Which is why the FF gave the right to the people, not the militia,
Militias were made up of members of the community

They knew who you are, what guns you had and what skills you had in case they needed to call you up.
 
The question at hand is ……Is Gun Registration Constitutional?

The second amendment says it is
Where exactly does the Second amendment say that? Here’s the Second Amendment. I don’t see any mention of gun registration and if it is legal or not.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

By the way gun registration is ILLEGAL in Florida.


790.335 Prohibition of registration of firearms; electronic records.—
(1) LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS AND INTENT.—
(a) The Legislature finds and declares that:
1. The right of individuals to keep and bear arms is guaranteed under both the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution.
2. A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a law enforcement tool and can become an instrument for profiling, harassing, or abusing law-abiding citizens based on their choice to own a firearm and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution. Further, such a list, record, or registry has the potential to fall into the wrong hands and become a shopping list for thieves.
3. A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a tool for fighting terrorism, but rather is an instrument that can be used as a means to profile innocent citizens and to harass and abuse American citizens based solely on their choice to own firearms and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution.
4. Law-abiding firearm owners whose names have been illegally recorded in a list, record, or registry are entitled to redress.
(b) The Legislature intends through the provisions of this section to:
1. Protect the right of individuals to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under both the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution.
2. Protect the privacy rights of law-abiding firearm owners.
(2) PROHIBITIONS.—No state governmental agency or local government, special district, or other political subdivision or official, agent, or employee of such state or other governmental entity or any other person, public or private, shall knowingly and willfully keep or cause to be kept any list, record, or registry of privately owned firearms or any list, record, or registry of the owners of those firearms.
 
Militia Group?

Don‘t you want to defend your country if we are invaded by Commies?

Your community will need to defend itself against the Commie Horde…..they need to know who to call in a time of need

Why don’t you want them to know you are armed and ready?
The commies are here
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What will happen if the directions of the NYPD are not followed?
Your thread premise is a lie and most on the dishonest right are liars – particularly when it comes to the regulation of firearms.

Conservatives propagate all manner of lies and demagoguery – about guns being ‘banned’ or ‘confiscated,' when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
 
It says well regulated militias need guns

We can’t regulate our militia unless we know what guns they have
Which goes to the fact that there are no ‘militias.’

‘Militias’ exist solely as authorized by government – armed private citizens alone cannot declare themselves a ‘militia.’

Private armed citizens are subject to the same Federal. State, and local firearm regulatory measures.

Private armed citizens are not entitled to possess the same weapons as a state’s national guard or the Federal military.
 
Which goes to the fact that there are no ‘militias.’

‘Militias’ exist solely as authorized by government – armed private citizens alone cannot declare themselves a ‘militia.’

Private armed citizens are subject to the same Federal. State, and local firearm regulatory measures.

Private armed citizens are not entitled to possess the same weapons as a state’s national guard or the Federal military.
Private armed citizens are not entitled to possess the same weapons as a state’s national guard or the Federal military.


Since when?
 
Where exactly does the Second amendment say that? Here’s the Second Amendment. I don’t see any mention of gun registration and if it is legal or not.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

By the way gun registration is ILLEGAL in Florida.


790.335 Prohibition of registration of firearms; electronic records.—
(1) LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS AND INTENT.—
(a) The Legislature finds and declares that:
1. The right of individuals to keep and bear arms is guaranteed under both the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution.
2. A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a law enforcement tool and can become an instrument for profiling, harassing, or abusing law-abiding citizens based on their choice to own a firearm and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution. Further, such a list, record, or registry has the potential to fall into the wrong hands and become a shopping list for thieves.
3. A list, record, or registry of legally owned firearms or law-abiding firearm owners is not a tool for fighting terrorism, but rather is an instrument that can be used as a means to profile innocent citizens and to harass and abuse American citizens based solely on their choice to own firearms and exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under the United States Constitution.
4. Law-abiding firearm owners whose names have been illegally recorded in a list, record, or registry are entitled to redress.
(b) The Legislature intends through the provisions of this section to:
1. Protect the right of individuals to keep and bear arms as guaranteed under both the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and s. 8, Art. I of the State Constitution.
2. Protect the privacy rights of law-abiding firearm owners.
(2) PROHIBITIONS.—No state governmental agency or local government, special district, or other political subdivision or official, agent, or employee of such state or other governmental entity or any other person, public or private, shall knowingly and willfully keep or cause to be kept any list, record, or registry of privately owned firearms or any list, record, or registry of the owners of those firearms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

Registering guns is necessary to maintain your well regulated militia

How do you regulate your militia without knowing where the guns are
 
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,

Registering guns is necessary to maintain your well regulated militia

How do you regulate your militia without knowing where the guns are
Once again you do not have to be part of a militia to exercise your Second Amendment right to own firearms according to rulings by the Supreme Court.

Rules and regulations for militias in colonial times do not apply to gun registration today. I seriously doubt that modern militias require the firearms owned by members to be registered. Gun owners who would belong to militias likely would oppose gun registration the same as most other gun owners.

The Second Amendment does not specify that all guns in a militia have to be registered. That would have been up to the individual colonial militia. Each militia would have had rules for its members and there may have been considerable differences between militias. One militia could have inspected the required arms of the members when they showed up for meetings or practice. Another militia might have had the right to inspect the firearms in the owners homes. The Second Amendment does not describe how to regulate your militia.

Originally militias were composed of men however I can’t find any laws that prohibited white women from owning firearms.
 
Once again you do not have to be part of a militia to exercise your Second Amendment right to own firearms according to rulings by the Supreme Court.

Rules and regulations for militias in colonial times do not apply to gun registration today. I seriously doubt that modern militias require the firearms owned by members to be registered. Gun owners who would belong to militias likely would oppose gun registration the same as most other gun owners.

The Second Amendment does not specify that all guns in a militia have to be registered. That would have been up to the individual colonial militia. Each militia would have had rules for its members and there may have been considerable differences between militias. One militia could have inspected the required arms of the members when they showed up for meetings or practice. Another militia might have had the right to inspect the firearms in the owners homes. The Second Amendment does not describe how to regulate your militia.

Originally militias were composed of men however I can’t find any laws that prohibited white women from owning firearms.
Never said you have to be part of a militia

Only that the Second Amendment allows gun registration
 
Which goes to the fact that there are no ‘militias.’

‘Militias’ exist solely as authorized by government – armed private citizens alone cannot declare themselves a ‘militia.’

Private armed citizens are subject to the same Federal. State, and local firearm regulatory measures.

Private armed citizens are not entitled to possess the same weapons as a state’s national guard or the Federal military.
The Free State Of Florida‘s Governor Desantis may form his own militia.


***snip***


Florida governor Ron DeSantis recently got the decentralist memo when he announced on December 2, 2021, a new funding proposal for Florida’s National Guard and a plan that would resurrect the Florida State Guard, a state defense force that was disbanded in 1947.


This state defense force is expected to assist the National Guard in hurricanes, natural disasters, and other emergencies taking place specifically in Florida. DeSantis stressed that the Florida State Guard would “not be encumbered by the federal government.” In effect, the Florida State Guard would only respond to the governor. Furthermore, it would not be deployed for federal missions and would not receive federal dollars.

In predictable fashion, DeSantis’s move elicited a banshee shriek from his political rivals and the corporate press, who are utterly convinced DeSantis is on his way to building a private army. Agricultural commissioner Nikki Fried described DeSantis’s state guard plan as a step toward creating a “paramilitary force.”

Sober minds will recognize that a Florida State Guard will not put the state on an accelerated course toward full-blown private defense. However, it is still a positive step toward devolving power away from the federal government and letting states assume defense functions the federal government has gradually abrogated over the years.


Plus we already have a number of militias in Florida.

 
The Free State Of Florida‘s Governor Desantis may form his own militia.


***snip***


Florida governor Ron DeSantis recently got the decentralist memo when he announced on December 2, 2021, a new funding proposal for Florida’s National Guard and a plan that would resurrect the Florida State Guard, a state defense force that was disbanded in 1947.


This state defense force is expected to assist the National Guard in hurricanes, natural disasters, and other emergencies taking place specifically in Florida. DeSantis stressed that the Florida State Guard would “not be encumbered by the federal government.” In effect, the Florida State Guard would only respond to the governor. Furthermore, it would not be deployed for federal missions and would not receive federal dollars.

In predictable fashion, DeSantis’s move elicited a banshee shriek from his political rivals and the corporate press, who are utterly convinced DeSantis is on his way to building a private army. Agricultural commissioner Nikki Fried described DeSantis’s state guard plan as a step toward creating a “paramilitary force.”

Sober minds will recognize that a Florida State Guard will not put the state on an accelerated course toward full-blown private defense. However, it is still a positive step toward devolving power away from the federal government and letting states assume defense functions the federal government has gradually abrogated over the years.


Plus we already have a number of militias in Florida.

lol

Obviously you don’t know that DeSantis is the government.
 
Never said you have to be part of a militia

Only that the Second Amendment allows gun registration
The Second Amemdment doesn’t say anything about gun registration.

The fact that some militias in colonial times may have required firearm registration is totally irrelevant today.

I love living in the Free State of Florida which says in the Florida State Constitution that gun registration is ILLEGAL.

 
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The Second Amemdment doesn’t say anything about gun registration.

The fact that some militias in colonial times may have required firearm registration is totally irrelevant today.

Doesnt have to
But registration is essential to having a well regulated militia

Suppose the Commies invade and local communities are forced to defend themselves ……they need to know who in their community is armed
 
Doesnt have to
But registration is essential to having a well regulated militia

Suppose the Commies invade and local communities are forced to defend themselves ……they need to know who in their community is armed
Suppose the Commies invade. They could use the gun registration list to find out who has firearmS.
 

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