Regime Change in Iraq: a "Mistake"?

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Most coherent people should recognize what a "mistake" is. A "mistake" is an action that, viewed properly, was an exercise of poor judgment due to carelessness, inattention, or mis-placed priorities.

The examples are countless, and range from simple to more involved. An advertising manager fails to proofread the copy of a large newspaper ad, and the price is wrong, or a product description is wrong. A manager gives a critical assignment to a "rookie" when there is an experienced person available, and the rookie messes it up.

At the time of the Iraq invasion, there was unanimous agreement in not only the U.S., but in all of the civilized world on basically two things: (a) Saddam Hussein was a bad actor who was a danger to the surrounding countries (e.g., he sponsored terrorist attacks on Israeli and western interests, and paid "bonus money" to the families of suicide bombers in Israel), and (b) Saddam had a large cache of WMD's, the ability to deliver them, as well as the ability to produce more of them on a moment's notice. (Unknown to anyone, Saddam himself promoted this illusion in order to deter Iran from invading Iraq).

Secondarily, the White House had information from Iraqi expats that the majority of the Iraqi population would welcome the invading army with open arms, and that it (the population) was hungry for political freedom and some form of "democracy."

Based on this information - which was not in serious dispute - the question for the President in Congress was, given that information, whether it was advisable to depose Saddam. There can be no doubt, now or then, that strong arguments could have been made for either case at the time. Having him around was a bad thing, but deposing a sitting, relatively stable government is a serious thing, even if it is perceived as "evil."

Twenty-20 hindsight is an odious thing, but even so, it is possible to maintain that it was a "mistake" to depose Saddam, on the basis of the principle that we should not depose sitting governments, even if they are not "nice," by our Western standards. Recent history has shown - and continues to show - that this path, when pursued in the Arab world, leads to anarchy, needless death and destruction, and the rise of militant Islamist fanatics into positions of local control.

But saying that the vote for invasion of Iraq was a "mistake" due to being based on Bush43's "lies" is not only preposterous, but slanderous in the extreme. Both the White House and Congress had access to EXACTLY the same intelligence w/r/t Saddam and his WMD's. The CIA and its tentacles work for the entire federal government, not just for the Administration; each branch of Congress has an Intelligence Committee that is charged with keeping the Congress apprised of the latest and best information available. They do NOT rely entirely on the White House for their information. Furthermore, if the vote had been based on a good-faith belief in the reliability of our intelligence, then it was not a "mistake" at all. If I make a decision based on the best information available at the time, and the resulting action turns out badly, the decision is still valid; the problem was not with the judgment of the decision-maker, but with the provider of the flawed information.

So HRC wants her progressive minions to "forgive" her vote to invade Iraq because it was a "mistake." What exactly does she mean by that? She failed to make the only tenable argument at the time, to wit, that it was bad policy to depose a sitting government, so she overtly went along with the deposition. What was her "mistake"? Why won't she be a mensch and own her vote?
 
Meh, IDK
He was ruthless. Clinton bombed him in the late 90's because the asshole wouldn't cooperate with UN weapon inspectors. IMO, Iraq was almost inevitable.
Hindsight is an intellectual fallacy :thup:
 
Saddam was a bad man, but he provided a critical strategic counter-balance to both Iran and terrorist groups in the region.

As usual, we decided it was OUR responsibility to choose the world's winners and losers, we invaded a sovereign country, and we took him out.

We pissed on a hornet's nest, and here we are.

Oh, yeah, and all at the cost of trillions of borrowed dollars and the lives, limbs and minds of thousands of young American troops.
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Meh, IDK
He was ruthless. Clinton bombed him in the late 90's because the asshole wouldn't cooperate with UN weapon inspectors. IMO, Iraq was almost inevitable.
Hindsight is an intellectual fallacy :thup:

What a reply. Hindsight. No, many people knew it was all going to go balls up before it happened. Hindsight is for those people who thought it was a good idea at the time.
 
Meh, IDK
He was ruthless. Clinton bombed him in the late 90's because the asshole wouldn't cooperate with UN weapon inspectors. IMO, Iraq was almost inevitable.
Hindsight is an intellectual fallacy :thup:

What a reply. Hindsight. No, many people knew it was all going to go balls up before it happened. Hindsight is for those people who thought it was a good idea at the time.
Dude, that shit was brewing after the Gulf War.
I wonder what the left would have done if Israel wasn't cooperating with weapon inspectors? Bomb them like Iraq? :)
Would I have done it? Probably not. But im not much on war. America IS.
I did find it weird the only WMDs we found were the ones we gave them..
 
No not necessarily, it was the dismissal of the Iraq Army that started the sectarian civil war that has effectively broken Iraq into three regions. That's all on Bremmer and Bush.
 
No not necessarily, it was the dismissal of the Iraq Army that started the sectarian civil war that has effectively broken Iraq into three regions. That's all on Bremmer and Bush.
Its hard to argue that. However, it seems stupid as hell to take out a dictator while leaving his army of savages..
Half ass shit doesn't work either.
 
Meh, IDK
He was ruthless. Clinton bombed him in the late 90's because the asshole wouldn't cooperate with UN weapon inspectors. IMO, Iraq was almost inevitable.
Hindsight is an intellectual fallacy :thup:

What a reply. Hindsight. No, many people knew it was all going to go balls up before it happened. Hindsight is for those people who thought it was a good idea at the time.
Well Hillary voted for it so obviously she's just as stupid.

And don't give me the bush lied to congress. Not buying it.

Too many democrats called for saddam's removal to make that a valid excuse.
 
No not necessarily, it was the dismissal of the Iraq Army that started the sectarian civil war that has effectively broken Iraq into three regions. That's all on Bremmer and Bush.
Its hard to argue that. However, it seems stupid as hell to take out a dictator while leaving his army of savages..
Half ass shit doesn't work either.

Mostly I think the soldiers were conscripts. I think it was Gen. Garner who had a deal/plan to keep most of the enlisted men on for like 20 bucks a month. We'll never know if that plan would have worked any better at keeping the country together.
 
Meh, IDK
He was ruthless. Clinton bombed him in the late 90's because the asshole wouldn't cooperate with UN weapon inspectors. IMO, Iraq was almost inevitable.
Hindsight is an intellectual fallacy :thup:

What a reply. Hindsight. No, many people knew it was all going to go balls up before it happened. Hindsight is for those people who thought it was a good idea at the time.
Well Hillary voted for it so obviously she's just as stupid.

And don't give me the bush lied to congress. Not buying it.

Too many democrats called for saddam's removal to make that a valid excuse.
A lot of the info Bush had came from Bill.. an Iraq war was almost rhetorical with him.
"operation desert fox"
 
No not necessarily, it was the dismissal of the Iraq Army that started the sectarian civil war that has effectively broken Iraq into three regions. That's all on Bremmer and Bush.
Its hard to argue that. However, it seems stupid as hell to take out a dictator while leaving his army of savages..
Half ass shit doesn't work either.

Mostly I think the soldiers were conscripts. I think it was Gen. Garner who had a deal/plan to keep most of the enlisted men on for like 20 bucks a month. We'll never know if that plan would have worked any better at keeping the country together.
That we wont.
Historically, if you take out a leader, another will pop up..
Look at Islamic terrorist cells
 
Meh, IDK
He was ruthless. Clinton bombed him in the late 90's because the asshole wouldn't cooperate with UN weapon inspectors. IMO, Iraq was almost inevitable.
Hindsight is an intellectual fallacy :thup:

Everyone should read Christopher Hitchens essay "Appointment in Mesopotamia". HE lays out the case that it was inevitable....
 
Meh, IDK
He was ruthless. Clinton bombed him in the late 90's because the asshole wouldn't cooperate with UN weapon inspectors. IMO, Iraq was almost inevitable.
Hindsight is an intellectual fallacy :thup:

What a reply. Hindsight. No, many people knew it was all going to go balls up before it happened. Hindsight is for those people who thought it was a good idea at the time.
Which would be most on congress at the time.
 
Most coherent people should recognize what a "mistake" is. A "mistake" is an action that, viewed properly, was an exercise of poor judgment due to carelessness, inattention, or mis-placed priorities.

The examples are countless, and range from simple to more involved. An advertising manager fails to proofread the copy of a large newspaper ad, and the price is wrong, or a product description is wrong. A manager gives a critical assignment to a "rookie" when there is an experienced person available, and the rookie messes it up.

At the time of the Iraq invasion, there was unanimous agreement in not only the U.S., but in all of the civilized world on basically two things: (a) Saddam Hussein was a bad actor who was a danger to the surrounding countries (e.g., he sponsored terrorist attacks on Israeli and western interests, and paid "bonus money" to the families of suicide bombers in Israel), and (b) Saddam had a large cache of WMD's, the ability to deliver them, as well as the ability to produce more of them on a moment's notice. (Unknown to anyone, Saddam himself promoted this illusion in order to deter Iran from invading Iraq).

Secondarily, the White House had information from Iraqi expats that the majority of the Iraqi population would welcome the invading army with open arms, and that it (the population) was hungry for political freedom and some form of "democracy."

Based on this information - which was not in serious dispute - the question for the President in Congress was, given that information, whether it was advisable to depose Saddam. There can be no doubt, now or then, that strong arguments could have been made for either case at the time. Having him around was a bad thing, but deposing a sitting, relatively stable government is a serious thing, even if it is perceived as "evil."

Twenty-20 hindsight is an odious thing, but even so, it is possible to maintain that it was a "mistake" to depose Saddam, on the basis of the principle that we should not depose sitting governments, even if they are not "nice," by our Western standards. Recent history has shown - and continues to show - that this path, when pursued in the Arab world, leads to anarchy, needless death and destruction, and the rise of militant Islamist fanatics into positions of local control.

But saying that the vote for invasion of Iraq was a "mistake" due to being based on Bush43's "lies" is not only preposterous, but slanderous in the extreme. Both the White House and Congress had access to EXACTLY the same intelligence w/r/t Saddam and his WMD's. The CIA and its tentacles work for the entire federal government, not just for the Administration; each branch of Congress has an Intelligence Committee that is charged with keeping the Congress apprised of the latest and best information available. They do NOT rely entirely on the White House for their information. Furthermore, if the vote had been based on a good-faith belief in the reliability of our intelligence, then it was not a "mistake" at all. If I make a decision based on the best information available at the time, and the resulting action turns out badly, the decision is still valid; the problem was not with the judgment of the decision-maker, but with the provider of the flawed information.

So HRC wants her progressive minions to "forgive" her vote to invade Iraq because it was a "mistake." What exactly does she mean by that? She failed to make the only tenable argument at the time, to wit, that it was bad policy to depose a sitting government, so she overtly went along with the deposition. What was her "mistake"? Why won't she be a mensch and own her vote?

The Bush administration lied the American people into supporting the Iraq war.

The fundamental mistake was committing the US to a ground war that was not justified by US vital interests, in other words, the war was unnecessary.

btw, Barack Obama is president because Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War authorization.
 
Most coherent people should recognize what a "mistake" is. A "mistake" is an action that, viewed properly, was an exercise of poor judgment due to carelessness, inattention, or mis-placed priorities.

The examples are countless, and range from simple to more involved. An advertising manager fails to proofread the copy of a large newspaper ad, and the price is wrong, or a product description is wrong. A manager gives a critical assignment to a "rookie" when there is an experienced person available, and the rookie messes it up.

At the time of the Iraq invasion, there was unanimous agreement in not only the U.S., but in all of the civilized world on basically two things: (a) Saddam Hussein was a bad actor who was a danger to the surrounding countries (e.g., he sponsored terrorist attacks on Israeli and western interests, and paid "bonus money" to the families of suicide bombers in Israel), and (b) Saddam had a large cache of WMD's, the ability to deliver them, as well as the ability to produce more of them on a moment's notice. (Unknown to anyone, Saddam himself promoted this illusion in order to deter Iran from invading Iraq).

Secondarily, the White House had information from Iraqi expats that the majority of the Iraqi population would welcome the invading army with open arms, and that it (the population) was hungry for political freedom and some form of "democracy."

Based on this information - which was not in serious dispute - the question for the President in Congress was, given that information, whether it was advisable to depose Saddam. There can be no doubt, now or then, that strong arguments could have been made for either case at the time. Having him around was a bad thing, but deposing a sitting, relatively stable government is a serious thing, even if it is perceived as "evil."

Twenty-20 hindsight is an odious thing, but even so, it is possible to maintain that it was a "mistake" to depose Saddam, on the basis of the principle that we should not depose sitting governments, even if they are not "nice," by our Western standards. Recent history has shown - and continues to show - that this path, when pursued in the Arab world, leads to anarchy, needless death and destruction, and the rise of militant Islamist fanatics into positions of local control.

But saying that the vote for invasion of Iraq was a "mistake" due to being based on Bush43's "lies" is not only preposterous, but slanderous in the extreme. Both the White House and Congress had access to EXACTLY the same intelligence w/r/t Saddam and his WMD's. The CIA and its tentacles work for the entire federal government, not just for the Administration; each branch of Congress has an Intelligence Committee that is charged with keeping the Congress apprised of the latest and best information available. They do NOT rely entirely on the White House for their information. Furthermore, if the vote had been based on a good-faith belief in the reliability of our intelligence, then it was not a "mistake" at all. If I make a decision based on the best information available at the time, and the resulting action turns out badly, the decision is still valid; the problem was not with the judgment of the decision-maker, but with the provider of the flawed information.

So HRC wants her progressive minions to "forgive" her vote to invade Iraq because it was a "mistake." What exactly does she mean by that? She failed to make the only tenable argument at the time, to wit, that it was bad policy to depose a sitting government, so she overtly went along with the deposition. What was her "mistake"? Why won't she be a mensch and own her vote?

The Bush administration lied the American people into supporting the Iraq war.

The fundamental mistake was committing the US to a ground war that was not justified by US vital interests, in other words, the war was unnecessary.

btw, Barack Obama is president because Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War authorization.
Are you going to vote for her this time?

And by the way, Obama became President because he was an articulate, clean black without a negro dialect
 
Most coherent people should recognize what a "mistake" is. A "mistake" is an action that, viewed properly, was an exercise of poor judgment due to carelessness, inattention, or mis-placed priorities.

The examples are countless, and range from simple to more involved. An advertising manager fails to proofread the copy of a large newspaper ad, and the price is wrong, or a product description is wrong. A manager gives a critical assignment to a "rookie" when there is an experienced person available, and the rookie messes it up.

At the time of the Iraq invasion, there was unanimous agreement in not only the U.S., but in all of the civilized world on basically two things: (a) Saddam Hussein was a bad actor who was a danger to the surrounding countries (e.g., he sponsored terrorist attacks on Israeli and western interests, and paid "bonus money" to the families of suicide bombers in Israel), and (b) Saddam had a large cache of WMD's, the ability to deliver them, as well as the ability to produce more of them on a moment's notice. (Unknown to anyone, Saddam himself promoted this illusion in order to deter Iran from invading Iraq).

Secondarily, the White House had information from Iraqi expats that the majority of the Iraqi population would welcome the invading army with open arms, and that it (the population) was hungry for political freedom and some form of "democracy."

Based on this information - which was not in serious dispute - the question for the President in Congress was, given that information, whether it was advisable to depose Saddam. There can be no doubt, now or then, that strong arguments could have been made for either case at the time. Having him around was a bad thing, but deposing a sitting, relatively stable government is a serious thing, even if it is perceived as "evil."

Twenty-20 hindsight is an odious thing, but even so, it is possible to maintain that it was a "mistake" to depose Saddam, on the basis of the principle that we should not depose sitting governments, even if they are not "nice," by our Western standards. Recent history has shown - and continues to show - that this path, when pursued in the Arab world, leads to anarchy, needless death and destruction, and the rise of militant Islamist fanatics into positions of local control.

But saying that the vote for invasion of Iraq was a "mistake" due to being based on Bush43's "lies" is not only preposterous, but slanderous in the extreme. Both the White House and Congress had access to EXACTLY the same intelligence w/r/t Saddam and his WMD's. The CIA and its tentacles work for the entire federal government, not just for the Administration; each branch of Congress has an Intelligence Committee that is charged with keeping the Congress apprised of the latest and best information available. They do NOT rely entirely on the White House for their information. Furthermore, if the vote had been based on a good-faith belief in the reliability of our intelligence, then it was not a "mistake" at all. If I make a decision based on the best information available at the time, and the resulting action turns out badly, the decision is still valid; the problem was not with the judgment of the decision-maker, but with the provider of the flawed information.

So HRC wants her progressive minions to "forgive" her vote to invade Iraq because it was a "mistake." What exactly does she mean by that? She failed to make the only tenable argument at the time, to wit, that it was bad policy to depose a sitting government, so she overtly went along with the deposition. What was her "mistake"? Why won't she be a mensch and own her vote?

The Bush administration lied the American people into supporting the Iraq war.

The fundamental mistake was committing the US to a ground war that was not justified by US vital interests, in other words, the war was unnecessary.

btw, Barack Obama is president because Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War authorization.
Bush lied LOL how ignorant
 
Most coherent people should recognize what a "mistake" is. A "mistake" is an action that, viewed properly, was an exercise of poor judgment due to carelessness, inattention, or mis-placed priorities.

The examples are countless, and range from simple to more involved. An advertising manager fails to proofread the copy of a large newspaper ad, and the price is wrong, or a product description is wrong. A manager gives a critical assignment to a "rookie" when there is an experienced person available, and the rookie messes it up.

At the time of the Iraq invasion, there was unanimous agreement in not only the U.S., but in all of the civilized world on basically two things: (a) Saddam Hussein was a bad actor who was a danger to the surrounding countries (e.g., he sponsored terrorist attacks on Israeli and western interests, and paid "bonus money" to the families of suicide bombers in Israel), and (b) Saddam had a large cache of WMD's, the ability to deliver them, as well as the ability to produce more of them on a moment's notice. (Unknown to anyone, Saddam himself promoted this illusion in order to deter Iran from invading Iraq).

Secondarily, the White House had information from Iraqi expats that the majority of the Iraqi population would welcome the invading army with open arms, and that it (the population) was hungry for political freedom and some form of "democracy."

Based on this information - which was not in serious dispute - the question for the President in Congress was, given that information, whether it was advisable to depose Saddam. There can be no doubt, now or then, that strong arguments could have been made for either case at the time. Having him around was a bad thing, but deposing a sitting, relatively stable government is a serious thing, even if it is perceived as "evil."

Twenty-20 hindsight is an odious thing, but even so, it is possible to maintain that it was a "mistake" to depose Saddam, on the basis of the principle that we should not depose sitting governments, even if they are not "nice," by our Western standards. Recent history has shown - and continues to show - that this path, when pursued in the Arab world, leads to anarchy, needless death and destruction, and the rise of militant Islamist fanatics into positions of local control.

But saying that the vote for invasion of Iraq was a "mistake" due to being based on Bush43's "lies" is not only preposterous, but slanderous in the extreme. Both the White House and Congress had access to EXACTLY the same intelligence w/r/t Saddam and his WMD's. The CIA and its tentacles work for the entire federal government, not just for the Administration; each branch of Congress has an Intelligence Committee that is charged with keeping the Congress apprised of the latest and best information available. They do NOT rely entirely on the White House for their information. Furthermore, if the vote had been based on a good-faith belief in the reliability of our intelligence, then it was not a "mistake" at all. If I make a decision based on the best information available at the time, and the resulting action turns out badly, the decision is still valid; the problem was not with the judgment of the decision-maker, but with the provider of the flawed information.

So HRC wants her progressive minions to "forgive" her vote to invade Iraq because it was a "mistake." What exactly does she mean by that? She failed to make the only tenable argument at the time, to wit, that it was bad policy to depose a sitting government, so she overtly went along with the deposition. What was her "mistake"? Why won't she be a mensch and own her vote?

The Bush administration lied the American people into supporting the Iraq war.

The fundamental mistake was committing the US to a ground war that was not justified by US vital interests, in other words, the war was unnecessary.

btw, Barack Obama is president because Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War authorization.
Are you going to vote for her this time?

And by the way, Obama became President because he was an articulate, clean black without a negro dialect

You're an idiot.
 
Most coherent people should recognize what a "mistake" is. A "mistake" is an action that, viewed properly, was an exercise of poor judgment due to carelessness, inattention, or mis-placed priorities.

The examples are countless, and range from simple to more involved. An advertising manager fails to proofread the copy of a large newspaper ad, and the price is wrong, or a product description is wrong. A manager gives a critical assignment to a "rookie" when there is an experienced person available, and the rookie messes it up.

At the time of the Iraq invasion, there was unanimous agreement in not only the U.S., but in all of the civilized world on basically two things: (a) Saddam Hussein was a bad actor who was a danger to the surrounding countries (e.g., he sponsored terrorist attacks on Israeli and western interests, and paid "bonus money" to the families of suicide bombers in Israel), and (b) Saddam had a large cache of WMD's, the ability to deliver them, as well as the ability to produce more of them on a moment's notice. (Unknown to anyone, Saddam himself promoted this illusion in order to deter Iran from invading Iraq).

Secondarily, the White House had information from Iraqi expats that the majority of the Iraqi population would welcome the invading army with open arms, and that it (the population) was hungry for political freedom and some form of "democracy."

Based on this information - which was not in serious dispute - the question for the President in Congress was, given that information, whether it was advisable to depose Saddam. There can be no doubt, now or then, that strong arguments could have been made for either case at the time. Having him around was a bad thing, but deposing a sitting, relatively stable government is a serious thing, even if it is perceived as "evil."

Twenty-20 hindsight is an odious thing, but even so, it is possible to maintain that it was a "mistake" to depose Saddam, on the basis of the principle that we should not depose sitting governments, even if they are not "nice," by our Western standards. Recent history has shown - and continues to show - that this path, when pursued in the Arab world, leads to anarchy, needless death and destruction, and the rise of militant Islamist fanatics into positions of local control.

But saying that the vote for invasion of Iraq was a "mistake" due to being based on Bush43's "lies" is not only preposterous, but slanderous in the extreme. Both the White House and Congress had access to EXACTLY the same intelligence w/r/t Saddam and his WMD's. The CIA and its tentacles work for the entire federal government, not just for the Administration; each branch of Congress has an Intelligence Committee that is charged with keeping the Congress apprised of the latest and best information available. They do NOT rely entirely on the White House for their information. Furthermore, if the vote had been based on a good-faith belief in the reliability of our intelligence, then it was not a "mistake" at all. If I make a decision based on the best information available at the time, and the resulting action turns out badly, the decision is still valid; the problem was not with the judgment of the decision-maker, but with the provider of the flawed information.

So HRC wants her progressive minions to "forgive" her vote to invade Iraq because it was a "mistake." What exactly does she mean by that? She failed to make the only tenable argument at the time, to wit, that it was bad policy to depose a sitting government, so she overtly went along with the deposition. What was her "mistake"? Why won't she be a mensch and own her vote?

The Bush administration lied the American people into supporting the Iraq war.

The fundamental mistake was committing the US to a ground war that was not justified by US vital interests, in other words, the war was unnecessary.

btw, Barack Obama is president because Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War authorization.
Bush lied LOL how ignorant

We know Bush lied because he sent Colin Powell to the UN with fake pictures of non-existent WMD's.
 
Most coherent people should recognize what a "mistake" is. A "mistake" is an action that, viewed properly, was an exercise of poor judgment due to carelessness, inattention, or mis-placed priorities.

The examples are countless, and range from simple to more involved. An advertising manager fails to proofread the copy of a large newspaper ad, and the price is wrong, or a product description is wrong. A manager gives a critical assignment to a "rookie" when there is an experienced person available, and the rookie messes it up.

At the time of the Iraq invasion, there was unanimous agreement in not only the U.S., but in all of the civilized world on basically two things: (a) Saddam Hussein was a bad actor who was a danger to the surrounding countries (e.g., he sponsored terrorist attacks on Israeli and western interests, and paid "bonus money" to the families of suicide bombers in Israel), and (b) Saddam had a large cache of WMD's, the ability to deliver them, as well as the ability to produce more of them on a moment's notice. (Unknown to anyone, Saddam himself promoted this illusion in order to deter Iran from invading Iraq).

Secondarily, the White House had information from Iraqi expats that the majority of the Iraqi population would welcome the invading army with open arms, and that it (the population) was hungry for political freedom and some form of "democracy."

Based on this information - which was not in serious dispute - the question for the President in Congress was, given that information, whether it was advisable to depose Saddam. There can be no doubt, now or then, that strong arguments could have been made for either case at the time. Having him around was a bad thing, but deposing a sitting, relatively stable government is a serious thing, even if it is perceived as "evil."

Twenty-20 hindsight is an odious thing, but even so, it is possible to maintain that it was a "mistake" to depose Saddam, on the basis of the principle that we should not depose sitting governments, even if they are not "nice," by our Western standards. Recent history has shown - and continues to show - that this path, when pursued in the Arab world, leads to anarchy, needless death and destruction, and the rise of militant Islamist fanatics into positions of local control.

But saying that the vote for invasion of Iraq was a "mistake" due to being based on Bush43's "lies" is not only preposterous, but slanderous in the extreme. Both the White House and Congress had access to EXACTLY the same intelligence w/r/t Saddam and his WMD's. The CIA and its tentacles work for the entire federal government, not just for the Administration; each branch of Congress has an Intelligence Committee that is charged with keeping the Congress apprised of the latest and best information available. They do NOT rely entirely on the White House for their information. Furthermore, if the vote had been based on a good-faith belief in the reliability of our intelligence, then it was not a "mistake" at all. If I make a decision based on the best information available at the time, and the resulting action turns out badly, the decision is still valid; the problem was not with the judgment of the decision-maker, but with the provider of the flawed information.

So HRC wants her progressive minions to "forgive" her vote to invade Iraq because it was a "mistake." What exactly does she mean by that? She failed to make the only tenable argument at the time, to wit, that it was bad policy to depose a sitting government, so she overtly went along with the deposition. What was her "mistake"? Why won't she be a mensch and own her vote?

The Bush administration lied the American people into supporting the Iraq war.

The fundamental mistake was committing the US to a ground war that was not justified by US vital interests, in other words, the war was unnecessary.

btw, Barack Obama is president because Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War authorization.
Bush lied LOL how ignorant

We know Bush lied because he sent Colin Powell to the UN with fake pictures of non-existent WMD's.
You do realize Clinton propped up the war, right?
Operation desert fox?
You do realize a lot of bushs intel came from Clinton, right?
We found WMD's. They were ours.
 

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