record cold 2899, record warm 667

[RDD_1210]

Yup, 3 weeks of data certainly debunks the years of warming trending we have seen that says otherwise.

Brilliant!

University of East Anglia emails ought to make you question your data. Science is absolute....cannot be doctored or corrupted like a Dan Rather-approved fraud scheme to impact a political agenda.

Excellent point!

 

[JRK]

And?

And that makes as much sense as stating that carbon off sets will stop "global warming"
Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis
Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis - Forbes

Don’t look now, but maybe a scientific consensus exists concerning global warming after all. Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.

The survey the author cites isn’t “scientists” as stated in the title of the op-ed, it is a survey of the Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists and Geophysicists of Alberta. That’s like surveying tobacco company CEO’s about the dangers of smoking. It would be a reasonable piece about the opinion of petroleum engineers in Alberta if that was made clear, instead that was hidden. I wonder why?

According to the study you cite:

“[T]he petroleum industry – through oil and gas companies, related industrial services, and consulting services – is the largest employer, either directly or indirectly, of professional engineers and geoscientists in Alberta.”

so your data is great
mine is not?
Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data
oops
Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate - Forbes

 

[Old Rocks]

The Earth reacts to higher temps and CO2 by making the planet wetter and colder.

The Carbon Cycle : Feature Articles

okay
for any-one to think that we, the human race does not have some effect on this planet is an idiot
in addition
thinking one knows what theat effect is is also an idiot
carbon off sets is code for another tax
you lose any interest any normal person right away when your asking for money to fix a problem were not even sure exists
in addition
were all ready spending trillions through higher electricity costs to curb CO2 emissions as mandated by the federal govt as well as to the auto makers and ther federally mandated changes

does the tree thrive on carbon?
and what exactly is it that you suggest we do if this is a real problem?
?
Global Warming Hoax: News
there are 2 sides to this story
Yours i respect, wanting money for yours is bull sh--

Given the size and scope of the environment on this planet, coupled with two major environmental steering mechanisms outside the control of anything, I think people who believe that man can affect climate change are not only idiots, but intentionally stupid.Any study of the past geo-climate of this planet will discover that there have been, and always will be, fluctuations in temperature, humidity, oceanic levels, and glaciation.

Hell, a tiny change in the tilt of our planet turned the entire northern third of Africa into a vast wasteland.

To think that we affect anything other that very specific environmental concerns such as water pollution, air pollution and ground contamination is foolish. These are localized, and not significant enough to affect a global change.

There is nothing that can be done about the planet climate change. What we can do is clean up our local environment so our children and grandchildren can have clean water and arable land for growing food.

Anything else is just arrogance and stupidity.

Silly dumb ass. Bluegreen algae literally changed the composition of the whole of the atmosphere, and those cells are far smaller than we are.

You cannot add 40% more CO2 to the atmosphere, and over 250% more CH4 without having profound effects. And we are seeing those effects in the cryosphere and the changing climate. Which will result in a very difficult time for the farmers that we depend on the feed 7 billion people on this planet.

 

[Vox]

okay
for any-one to think that we, the human race does not have some effect on this planet is an idiot
in addition
thinking one knows what theat effect is is also an idiot
carbon off sets is code for another tax
you lose any interest any normal person right away when your asking for money to fix a problem were not even sure exists
in addition
were all ready spending trillions through higher electricity costs to curb CO2 emissions as mandated by the federal govt as well as to the auto makers and ther federally mandated changes

does the tree thrive on carbon?
and what exactly is it that you suggest we do if this is a real problem?
?
Global Warming Hoax: News
there are 2 sides to this story
Yours i respect, wanting money for yours is bull sh--

Given the size and scope of the environment on this planet, coupled with two major environmental steering mechanisms outside the control of anything, I think people who believe that man can affect climate change are not only idiots, but intentionally stupid.Any study of the past geo-climate of this planet will discover that there have been, and always will be, fluctuations in temperature, humidity, oceanic levels, and glaciation.

Hell, a tiny change in the tilt of our planet turned the entire northern third of Africa into a vast wasteland.

To think that we affect anything other that very specific environmental concerns such as water pollution, air pollution and ground contamination is foolish. These are localized, and not significant enough to affect a global change.

There is nothing that can be done about the planet climate change. What we can do is clean up our local environment so our children and grandchildren can have clean water and arable land for growing food.

Anything else is just arrogance and stupidity.

Silly dumb ass. Bluegreen algae literally changed the composition of the whole of the atmosphere, and those cells are far smaller than we are.

You cannot add 40% more CO2 to the atmosphere, and over 250% more CH4 without having profound effects. And we are seeing those effects in the cryosphere and the changing climate. Which will result in a very difficult time for the farmers that we depend on the feed 7 billion people on this planet.

Bullshit.

 

[Old Rocks]

Unlike you, I actually think for myself after looking at all of the available data and all of the opinions (and they are all opinions).

An open minded review of the data supports the belief that the climate of the planet has always been changing and that man has never had anything to do with it.

The argument is not whether the climate is changing, it is. The argument is about whether man has caused it or can stop or reverse it------the answer is NO.

LOL, and you looked at ALL the data, right? Tell me, how many pieces of solid data did you read that came to the conclusion that man has no involvement in our climate change and how many pieces of data did you read that said man does play a role?

A lot more than you have. But if you wish to worship the prophet algore, go right ahead, we have religious freedom in this country and AGW is a religion.

When you have no facts, and are completely ignorant on this subject, attack Al Gore. That turns on all the braindead ditto heads.

Al Gore never presented himself as a scientist or a researcher. What he did, and did very well, was put the language of the scientists into layman's terms.

 

[Vox]

The Earth reacts to higher temps and CO2 by making the planet wetter and colder.

The Carbon Cycle : Feature Articles

you do realize it is a NORMAL process, don't you?

Normal when it cycles back down, not when it continues to rise to unseen record highs like it has been for 50+ years.

Climate Change: Evidence

oh, dear gawd, CLIMATE CHANGE is NORMAL.

it has to change, otherwise we would be extinct already

 

[Old Rocks]

Given the size and scope of the environment on this planet, coupled with two major environmental steering mechanisms outside the control of anything, I think people who believe that man can affect climate change are not only idiots, but intentionally stupid.Any study of the past geo-climate of this planet will discover that there have been, and always will be, fluctuations in temperature, humidity, oceanic levels, and glaciation.

Hell, a tiny change in the tilt of our planet turned the entire northern third of Africa into a vast wasteland.

To think that we affect anything other that very specific environmental concerns such as water pollution, air pollution and ground contamination is foolish. These are localized, and not significant enough to affect a global change.

There is nothing that can be done about the planet climate change. What we can do is clean up our local environment so our children and grandchildren can have clean water and arable land for growing food.

Anything else is just arrogance and stupidity.

Silly dumb ass. Bluegreen algae literally changed the composition of the whole of the atmosphere, and those cells are far smaller than we are.

You cannot add 40% more CO2 to the atmosphere, and over 250% more CH4 without having profound effects. And we are seeing those effects in the cryosphere and the changing climate. Which will result in a very difficult time for the farmers that we depend on the feed 7 billion people on this planet.

Bullshit.

The Carbon Cycle lecture notes: Global Change Project

One can see the amount of GHGs, CO2, CH4, NOx, that we have added to the atmosphere at this site. Also, on the same graphs, are the amount of energy that this is adding to the energy budget of our planet.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

From the American Geophysical Union, which has more scientists studying the various factors involved in the warming than any other Scientific Society on Earth;

http://www.agu.org/pubs/pdf/2012EO200003_nws.pdf

Now, what kind of proof do you have for your position?



On this graph, you can see the decline in both the Arctic Sea Ice maximum and minimum for the period that the satellites have been recording that data.

 

[RDD_1210]

you do realize it is a NORMAL process, don't you?

Normal when it cycles back down, not when it continues to rise to unseen record highs like it has been for 50+ years.

Climate Change: Evidence

oh, dear gawd, CLIMATE CHANGE is NORMAL.

it has to change, otherwise we would be extinct already

How about responding to what was actually posted this time. Novel concept, I know.

 

[Old Rocks]

you do realize it is a NORMAL process, don't you?

Normal when it cycles back down, not when it continues to rise to unseen record highs like it has been for 50+ years.

Climate Change: Evidence

oh, dear gawd, CLIMATE CHANGE is NORMAL.

it has to change, otherwise we would be extinct already

Dumb ****, in the geological past, there have been many changes in climate. Some gradual, with the flora and fauna adapting over the space of time that the change took place in. Some, very rapid, with extinction events, with as much as 95% of the species, plant and animal, going extinct.

The present change, which we are creating, is among the most rapid to ever occur.

Abrupt Climate Change: Inevitable Surprises


Executive Summary

Recent scientific evidence shows that major and widespread climate changes have occurred with startling speed. For example, roughly half the north Atlantic warming since the last ice age was achieved in only a decade, and it was accompanied by significant climatic changes across most of the globe. Similar events, including local warmings as large as 16°C, occurred repeatedly during the slide into and climb out of the last ice age. Human civilizations arose after those extreme, global ice-age climate jumps. Severe droughts and other regional climate events during the current warm period have shown similar tendencies of abrupt onset and great persistence, often with adverse effects on societies.

Abrupt climate changes were especially common when the climate system was being forced to change most rapidly. Thus, greenhouse warming and other human alterations of the earth system may increase the possibility of large, abrupt, and unwelcome regional or global climatic events. The abrupt changes of the past are not fully explained yet, and climate models typically underestimate the size, speed, and extent of those changes. Hence, future abrupt changes cannot be predicted with confidence, and climate surprises are to be expected.

This summery was written in 2002, and we have seen since then how accurate it is. The reduction in Arctic Sea Ice, and resultant affects on the weather, that we are seeing now was not expected untill the last quarter of this century, not the first quarter.

 

[Redfish]

okay
for any-one to think that we, the human race does not have some effect on this planet is an idiot
in addition
thinking one knows what theat effect is is also an idiot
carbon off sets is code for another tax
you lose any interest any normal person right away when your asking for money to fix a problem were not even sure exists
in addition
were all ready spending trillions through higher electricity costs to curb CO2 emissions as mandated by the federal govt as well as to the auto makers and ther federally mandated changes

does the tree thrive on carbon?
and what exactly is it that you suggest we do if this is a real problem?
?
Global Warming Hoax: News
there are 2 sides to this story
Yours i respect, wanting money for yours is bull sh--

Given the size and scope of the environment on this planet, coupled with two major environmental steering mechanisms outside the control of anything, I think people who believe that man can affect climate change are not only idiots, but intentionally stupid.Any study of the past geo-climate of this planet will discover that there have been, and always will be, fluctuations in temperature, humidity, oceanic levels, and glaciation.

Hell, a tiny change in the tilt of our planet turned the entire northern third of Africa into a vast wasteland.

To think that we affect anything other that very specific environmental concerns such as water pollution, air pollution and ground contamination is foolish. These are localized, and not significant enough to affect a global change.

There is nothing that can be done about the planet climate change. What we can do is clean up our local environment so our children and grandchildren can have clean water and arable land for growing food.

Anything else is just arrogance and stupidity.

Silly dumb ass. Bluegreen algae literally changed the composition of the whole of the atmosphere, and those cells are far smaller than we are.

You cannot add 40% more CO2 to the atmosphere, and over 250% more CH4 without having profound effects. And we are seeing those effects in the cryosphere and the changing climate. Which will result in a very difficult time for the farmers that we depend on the feed 7 billion people on this planet.

CO2 makes up .039% of the atmosphere. for you who are weak in math, that is less than 1%, less than 1/2 of 1%.

Now, please tell us how an oderless, tasteless, naturally occuring gas is destroying the earth when it makes up less than 1/2 of 1% of the atmosphere.

 

[Redfish]

Normal when it cycles back down, not when it continues to rise to unseen record highs like it has been for 50+ years.

Climate Change: Evidence

oh, dear gawd, CLIMATE CHANGE is NORMAL.

it has to change, otherwise we would be extinct already

Dumb ****, in the geological past, there have been many changes in climate. Some gradual, with the flora and fauna adapting over the space of time that the change took place in. Some, very rapid, with extinction events, with as much as 95% of the species, plant and animal, going extinct.

The present change, which we are creating, is among the most rapid to ever occur.

Abrupt Climate Change: Inevitable Surprises


Executive Summary

Recent scientific evidence shows that major and widespread climate changes have occurred with startling speed. For example, roughly half the north Atlantic warming since the last ice age was achieved in only a decade, and it was accompanied by significant climatic changes across most of the globe. Similar events, including local warmings as large as 16°C, occurred repeatedly during the slide into and climb out of the last ice age. Human civilizations arose after those extreme, global ice-age climate jumps. Severe droughts and other regional climate events during the current warm period have shown similar tendencies of abrupt onset and great persistence, often with adverse effects on societies.

Abrupt climate changes were especially common when the climate system was being forced to change most rapidly. Thus, greenhouse warming and other human alterations of the earth system may increase the possibility of large, abrupt, and unwelcome regional or global climatic events. The abrupt changes of the past are not fully explained yet, and climate models typically underestimate the size, speed, and extent of those changes. Hence, future abrupt changes cannot be predicted with confidence, and climate surprises are to be expected.

This summery was written in 2002, and we have seen since then how accurate it is. The reduction in Arctic Sea Ice, and resultant affects on the weather, that we are seeing now was not expected untill the last quarter of this century, not the first quarter.

LOL, its not happening. you guys make me

 

[Redfish]

OK, warmers, here's your chance.

lets say that you are right about man causing the planet to get warmer (you aren't, but just for drill lets assume that you are).

Now, man is causing the planet to heat up. What specifically should man do to fix the problem?

give us a list of 10 things that mankind worldwide can do to save us all from boiling in seawater.

 

[Katzndogz]

In response to global warming, the regime is skyrocketing energy prices making home heating unaffordable. This winter is supposed to be record shattering bitter cold with most people unable to afford heat.

 

[RDD_1210]

LOL, and you looked at ALL the data, right? Tell me, how many pieces of solid data did you read that came to the conclusion that man has no involvement in our climate change and how many pieces of data did you read that said man does play a role?

A lot more than you have. But if you wish to worship the prophet algore, go right ahead, we have religious freedom in this country and AGW is a religion.

How many?

How about sharing with us a few of the more convincing pieces you've reviewed on both sides of the argument. Just a couple should do.

Nothing?

Should I be shocked that you have nothing?

 

[RDD_1210]

Given the size and scope of the environment on this planet, coupled with two major environmental steering mechanisms outside the control of anything, I think people who believe that man can affect climate change are not only idiots, but intentionally stupid.Any study of the past geo-climate of this planet will discover that there have been, and always will be, fluctuations in temperature, humidity, oceanic levels, and glaciation.

Hell, a tiny change in the tilt of our planet turned the entire northern third of Africa into a vast wasteland.

To think that we affect anything other that very specific environmental concerns such as water pollution, air pollution and ground contamination is foolish. These are localized, and not significant enough to affect a global change.

There is nothing that can be done about the planet climate change. What we can do is clean up our local environment so our children and grandchildren can have clean water and arable land for growing food.

Anything else is just arrogance and stupidity.

Silly dumb ass. Bluegreen algae literally changed the composition of the whole of the atmosphere, and those cells are far smaller than we are.

You cannot add 40% more CO2 to the atmosphere, and over 250% more CH4 without having profound effects. And we are seeing those effects in the cryosphere and the changing climate. Which will result in a very difficult time for the farmers that we depend on the feed 7 billion people on this planet.

CO2 makes up .039% of the atmosphere. for you who are weak in math, that is less than 1%, less than 1/2 of 1%.

Now, please tell us how an oderless, tasteless, naturally occuring gas is destroying the earth when it makes up less than 1/2 of 1% of the atmosphere.

Seriously? Please tell me you're not serious.

In your expert opinion, how much CO2 can we add to our atmosphere and still have our planet be safe? I mean, it's only .039% according to you so it's miniscule and can't cause damage at those levels. So according to your deep knowledge, what amount would be something to be concerned about? 2%? 10%? 50%? 100%? How much is too much?

 

[Redfish]

Silly dumb ass. Bluegreen algae literally changed the composition of the whole of the atmosphere, and those cells are far smaller than we are.

You cannot add 40% more CO2 to the atmosphere, and over 250% more CH4 without having profound effects. And we are seeing those effects in the cryosphere and the changing climate. Which will result in a very difficult time for the farmers that we depend on the feed 7 billion people on this planet.

CO2 makes up .039% of the atmosphere. for you who are weak in math, that is less than 1%, less than 1/2 of 1%.

Now, please tell us how an oderless, tasteless, naturally occuring gas is destroying the earth when it makes up less than 1/2 of 1% of the atmosphere.

Seriously? Please tell me you're not serious.

In your expert opinion, how much CO2 can we add to our atmosphere and still have our planet be safe? I mean, it's only .039% according to you so it's miniscule and can't cause damage at those levels. So according to your deep knowledge, what amount would be something to be concerned about? 2%? 10%? 50%? 100%? How much is too much?

your question is really for you. I never claimed that CO2 was destroying the planet, you did.

So tell us, what was the CO2 level in the year 20,000 BC? what was it in the year 2,000,000 BC? or make it easy, what was it in 1850?

don't know do you?

Is the .039% that is measured today normal? is it high, is it low? don't know do you?

But you and algore just KNOW that burning coal and driving SUVs is causing it to rise.

My gawd, you people are idiots.

 

[Vox]

Normal when it cycles back down, not when it continues to rise to unseen record highs like it has been for 50+ years.

Climate Change: Evidence

oh, dear gawd, CLIMATE CHANGE is NORMAL.

it has to change, otherwise we would be extinct already

Dumb ****, in the geological past, there have been many changes in climate. Some gradual, with the flora and fauna adapting over the space of time that the change took place in. Some, very rapid, with extinction events, with as much as 95% of the species, plant and animal, going extinct.

The present change, which we are creating, is among the most rapid to ever occur.

Abrupt Climate Change: Inevitable Surprises


Executive Summary

Recent scientific evidence shows that major and widespread climate changes have occurred with startling speed. For example, roughly half the north Atlantic warming since the last ice age was achieved in only a decade, and it was accompanied by significant climatic changes across most of the globe. Similar events, including local warmings as large as 16°C, occurred repeatedly during the slide into and climb out of the last ice age. Human civilizations arose after those extreme, global ice-age climate jumps. Severe droughts and other regional climate events during the current warm period have shown similar tendencies of abrupt onset and great persistence, often with adverse effects on societies.

Abrupt climate changes were especially common when the climate system was being forced to change most rapidly. Thus, greenhouse warming and other human alterations of the earth system may increase the possibility of large, abrupt, and unwelcome regional or global climatic events. The abrupt changes of the past are not fully explained yet, and climate models typically underestimate the size, speed, and extent of those changes. Hence, future abrupt changes cannot be predicted with confidence, and climate surprises are to be expected.

This summery was written in 2002, and we have seen since then how accurate it is. The reduction in Arctic Sea Ice, and resultant affects on the weather, that we are seeing now was not expected untill the last quarter of this century, not the first quarter.

old fart, being a useful idiot as you are is bad enough, being a weak jellyfish who negs because of the absense of other arguments makes you simply a whimpy *****

 

[Vox]

to old fart and other useful idiots out there who are willing to pay for the "climate change" LOL - you can explain, why 1950 is the starting point in the scary story of "GW", can you?

Oh, you can't, because it changes your premises

so I thought

 

[RDD_1210]

CO2 makes up .039% of the atmosphere. for you who are weak in math, that is less than 1%, less than 1/2 of 1%.

Now, please tell us how an oderless, tasteless, naturally occuring gas is destroying the earth when it makes up less than 1/2 of 1% of the atmosphere.

Seriously? Please tell me you're not serious.

In your expert opinion, how much CO2 can we add to our atmosphere and still have our planet be safe? I mean, it's only .039% according to you so it's miniscule and can't cause damage at those levels. So according to your deep knowledge, what amount would be something to be concerned about? 2%? 10%? 50%? 100%? How much is too much?

your question is really for you. I never claimed that CO2 was destroying the planet, you did.

So tell us, what was the CO2 level in the year 20,000 BC? what was it in the year 2,000,000 BC? or make it easy, what was it in 1850?

don't know do you?

Is the .039% that is measured today normal? is it high, is it low? don't know do you?

But you and algore just KNOW that burning coal and driving SUVs is causing it to rise.

My gawd, you people are idiots.

 

[Redfish]

OK, warmers, here's your chance.

lets say that you are right about man causing the planet to get warmer (you aren't, but just for drill lets assume that you are).

Now, man is causing the planet to heat up. What specifically should man do to fix the problem?

give us a list of 10 things that mankind worldwide can do to save us all from boiling in seawater.

still waiting, warmers. do you have a list? or are you all just bawling out of your cornholes?