Zone1 Reasons why atheists don't want to believe there is a God

[0311]

You believe what he is doing is not inhumane and cruel? Then your morality sucks, and you should stop to question yourself and your religion.

So-called "Christians" have a form of differential morals. They turn them on an off at will.

That's part of their outright hypocrisy. They vote for a immoral man who is a serial adulterer and a Convicted Felon. He is Pedophile and had over 20+Women accuse him of Sexual Misconduct.

Yet when comes arresting a 15-boy on his way to soccer practice and holding him at gun is just fine by them. They have no problem with men standing in front of a public library with a loaded Semi-a Auto-Matic because of "Drag Reading Day". While the same time doing nothing school shooting except offering empty thoughts and prayers.

They actually believe they have a right to decide who can and cannot get married on the bases the gender's of the people getting married. They talk abut how "Pro-Life", yet after that baby is born they do care if the child has a roof over it's head, food in it' stomach, clothes on their back or what kind education that child receives. IF that child has disabilities and needs health care, **** them take away their Medicare and let them die. Those so-called "Christian" Morals in action.

The burn book and censor books in public libraries because they consider some books "woke", forcing their version of their non-existent god down the throats of others. One idiot responding to this thread if as an Atheist, how do I determine forgiveness, like being An if as if somehow being Atheist somehow changes my forgiving another person.

I do not condone, forgive and support electing a Convicted Felon and Pedophile to the White House. That is in and of itself is unforgiveable.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Apparently, only an atheist can define an atheist, but atheists can tell you all about Christians. This thread is text book.

 

[dblack]

Apparently, only an atheist can define an atheist, but atheists can tell you all about Christians. This thread is text book.

"This thread" wasn't started by an atheist.

 

[The Irish Ram]

"This thread" wasn't started by an atheist.

Not germane to the issue.
Read what's being said here by both theists and nonbelievers, and judge for yourself. The atheists feel confident in speaking out against the Christian, while condemning the Christian for assuming they know what being an atheist is about.

 

[dblack]

Not germane to the issue.

Sure it is. If you don't want atheists disputing your definition of atheism, stop calling them out with threads making ridiculous claims about them.

 

[ding]

Apparently, only an atheist can define an atheist, but atheists can tell you all about Christians. This thread is text book.

I keep trying to help them state their beliefs in terms of what they believe in rather than stating what they don’t believe in. But they are resistant to say that they believe in a material existence only.

 

[ding]

Sure it is. If you don't want atheists disputing your definition of atheism, stop calling them out with threads making ridiculous claims about them.

Here is the OP:

1. They would have to consider that they may be morally accountable to something greater than themselves

2. They would have to consider what happens to them upon death, and the possibility of them being judged for their actions in this life.

What do you disagree with and why?

 

[dblack]

Here is the OP:


What do you disagree with and why?

I told you, your premise flawed. The rest is you beating up on the big beautiful strawman you've built! Enjoy.

 

[ding]

I told you, your premise flawed. The rest is you beating up on the big beautiful strawman you've built! Enjoy.

It’s not my premise.

So you are angry because a deist said atheists don’t believe they are morally accountable to God and don’t believe they will be judged after death?

I’m not seeing the false premise there.

 

[presonorek]

For starters:

1. They would have to consider that they may be morally accountable to something greater than themselves

2. They would have to consider what happens to them upon death, and the possibility of them being judged for their actions in this life (for example, if I was a murderer or a rapist, I would probably be hoping that there is no God, and that I cease to exist upon death)

There is a good portion of atheists that wishes that there was a god to believe in. I know that isn't the biggest portion of atheist but I am an atheist that wishes that God in the Bible did exist. It just seems so blaringly obvious that god doesn't exist. If there is a god that exist then he is mighty aloof and silent. If that aloof and silent god is the real one then I don't like him much. It is kind of a buzz kill if he has all that omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence without showing off a little. A god shouldn't be humble like that.

I just wanted to give you a heads up that there is a large portion of atheists that do want to believe in a god. It is just that nobody (including your god) has given them a reason to believe and they find that discouraging not comforting.

 

[presonorek]

Could it be "people like you" are much too fearful to seek and find God? There are people all around you who can testify, through experience, that God is. And, you can explain that you have never been able to find God in your own life. It follows that those who have had no experience/belief in God are as ignorant about God as those who have never studied denisovans are ignorant about them. People who are ignorant about any subject don't do well in discussions with people who have knowledge of that topic. Also, intelligent people have a common trait, that sometimes is lacking among the ignorant who pretend to know and do not: They are respectful.

If I would have been raised a hard-core Calvinist then I would still believe in God and would have remained a Christian. God tells Moses, "I am the I am." That is like the saying, "It is what it is." I think that is the philosophy that you are pitching, that God simply is. What happens is God and there is no way around it. This is even consistent with Christ's message when he died on the cross. Jesus said, "It is finished." However, if we adopt this point of view then organized religion appears to be redundant at best and counterproductive at its worst. If God offers us the peace and wisdom for accepting reality then attempting to behave, do good things, build God's kingdom, or worship through rituals is the direct opposite. These are instruments of burden, not instruments of peace. Atheism is quiet but a lot of us atheist are actually anti-theist. Those of us (including myself) that are anti-theist are only against the particular god that we have had shoved down our throats. That can differ from religion to religion, denomination to denomination, region to region, church to church, pastor to pastor, or even family member to family member. We don't hate all gods per se. We hate the one that was shoved down our throat and pounded over our head repeatedly. A god that is the I Am with the message of, "It is finished" isn't a god worth hating but also would never demand, require, expect, or even notice being worshipped. Make sense?

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

I keep trying to help them state their beliefs in terms of what they believe in rather than stating what they don’t believe in. But they are resistant to say that they believe in a material existence only.

I am an Atheist and in my previous post, I admittedly stated what I don't believe in. So, here's what I "personally" believe in. Just as stars are born and die, all life here on earth and elsewhere in the universe, have a period of existence and then that existence ends. Even radium has a period of decay. As to why, that's just the nature of the universe. Life and death. When we die, our cells deteriorate, we are....no more. Gone, kaput, finished. No afterlife. No heaven. No hell. Just over and done.
I technically died twice. The doctors brought me back in the Emergency Room and moved me to the ICU, where I also died. They obviously again, brought me back.
While I was "out," I didn't see any beckoning dead relatives or a fiery hot hell, just...
nothing and that's just fine. So, there is no fear of death, only the method of dying. Burning to death in a fire, a plane or car crash, et cetera, that would not be my preferred way to go. I've got CVA and diabetes so a stroke or heart attack will be my most likely demise. I'd like to go the way my aunt did. While a passenger in a car, she said she had a headache and was going to try and take a nap. She closed her eyes and because of a stroke, never woke up. Peaceful.

 

[Invisibleflash]

For starters:

1. They would have to consider that they may be morally accountable to something greater than themselves

2. They would have to consider what happens to them upon death, and the possibility of them being judged for their actions in this life (for example, if I was a murderer or a rapist, I would probably be hoping that there is no God, and that I cease to exist upon death)

Typical blindness of those that don't know. And tells why they need to believe in pie in the sky.

Google: godfinder.

Thousands of gods created over the years. Humans need their god/s.

That's the score, bub.

 

[Meriweather]

If I would have been raised a hard-core Calvinist then I would still believe in God and would have remained a Christian. God tells Moses, "I am the I am." That is like the saying, "It is what it is." I think that is the philosophy that you are pitching, that God simply is. What happens is God and there is no way around it. This is even consistent with Christ's message when he died on the cross. Jesus said, "It is finished." However, if we adopt this point of view then organized religion appears to be redundant at best and counterproductive at its worst. If God offers us the peace and wisdom for accepting reality then attempting to behave, do good things, build God's kingdom, or worship through rituals is the direct opposite. These are instruments of burden, not instruments of peace. Atheism is quiet but a lot of us atheist are actually anti-theist. Those of us (including myself) that are anti-theist are only against the particular god that we have had shoved down our throats. That can differ from religion to religion, denomination to denomination, region to region, church to church, pastor to pastor, or even family member to family member. We don't hate all gods per se. We hate the one that was shoved down our throat and pounded over our head repeatedly. A god that is the I Am with the message of, "It is finished" isn't a god worth hating but also would never demand, require, expect, or even notice being worshipped. Make sense?

Yes, I hear you and believe I understand your point.

I heard different explanations. For example, God's response to Moses: "I am who I am." Even kids have had the experience of feeling someone was placing them in a box of who they "should" be, instead of being accepted as who they actually are. I would propose every child should be taught that old adage: You must be who you are--everyone else is taken. And taught the number one being who cannot be placed in a box, is God. Too many try to place Him in the Genii box.

Second, society as a whole does not bother to keep God's name holy. Children can be taught the reason why everyone should be aware of when they are on holy ground and to take time to be respectful.

Third: Before teaching anything else, teach the Ten Commandments as guide posts, or a map steering us in the right direction. The Ten Commandments are not about God trying to catch you doing something wrong, rather than helping people along the way--like danger signs: Danger, Quick Sand! Or, Danger, Rip Tide! Children can offer other danger signals they see designed to keep life smooth and safe. Judaism teaches love of law leads to love of God.

Fourth: Talk about relationships. Is your relationship with another person exactly the same as that of another person to that exact, same person. Teach that each person's relationship with God is going to be different than anyone else's relationship. So...Don't try to be like Moses, and don't expect God's relationship with you to be like His relationship with Moses.

Be careful of Old Testament stories. The translations from the original Hebrew leave everything to be desired, but are still worth pursuing at the right time. New Testament (other than Revelation) is easier.

 

[0311]

There is a good portion of atheists that wishes that there was a god to believe in. I know that isn't the biggest portion of atheist but I am an atheist that wishes that God in the Bible did exist. It just seems so blaringly obvious that god doesn't exist. If there is a god that exist then he is mighty aloof and silent. If that aloof and silent god is the real one then I don't like him much. It is kind of a buzz kill if he has all that omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence without showing off a little. A god shouldn't be humble like that.

I just wanted to give you a heads up that there is a large portion of atheists that do want to believe in a god. It is just that nobody (including your god) has given them a reason to believe and they find that discouraging not comforting.

Heaven and Hell are moral absolutes. There are no moral absolutes. There is no god. There is no devil. Weak minded people who need to believe this crap justify their pitiful and empty existence.

 

[The Irish Ram]

There is a good portion of atheists that wishes that there was a god to believe in. I know that isn't the biggest portion of atheist but I am an atheist that wishes that God in the Bible did exist. It just seems so blaringly obvious that god doesn't exist. If there is a god that exist then he is mighty aloof and silent. If that aloof and silent god is the real one then I don't like him much. It is kind of a buzz kill if he has all that omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence without showing off a little. A god shouldn't be humble like that.

I just wanted to give you a heads up that there is a large portion of atheists that do want to believe in a god. It is just that nobody (including your god) has given them a reason to believe and they find that discouraging not comforting.

He does exist. And He is not silent. He is very hands-on if we let Him. He left that choice up to us.
He gave us an instruction manual, and made 1/4 of it predictions, so we would know He exists. He showed off in Genesis, when He told us how He creates things out of nothing.
He is not some aloof dictator with a hammer, but a loving father, with open arms, and he has waited all this time to talk to you. He loves you beyond words and forgives your shortcoming over and over if you ask Him to. He sacrificed His loving Son in order to get you into heaven. He knows you so well that he can tell you how many hairs you have on your head.
I know how to prove His existence. And He says if you don't believe Him then try Him on it. Take 10% of your next paycheck, right off the top, before you spend any of it. Take that to a church or preacher. Since all good things come from God, he feels that 10% of what he gives you should go to feed His shepherds. If you take that 10% and take 25% of that and add it to your tithe, your cup will overflow, and your circumstances will change dramatically.

You made $100.00
Ten percent is $10.00
25% of ten dollars is $2.50.

And when you realize that your Father is real, start looking into the gift His beloved Son, Jesus, gave you.

 

[ding]

I am an Atheist and in my previous post, I admittedly stated what I don't believe in. So, here's what I "personally" believe in. Just as stars are born and die, all life here on earth and elsewhere in the universe, have a period of existence and then that existence ends. Even radium has a period of decay. As to why, that's just the nature of the universe. Life and death. When we die, our cells deteriorate, we are....no more. Gone, kaput, finished. No afterlife. No heaven. No hell. Just over and done.
I technically died twice. The doctors brought me back in the Emergency Room and moved me to the ICU, where I also died. They obviously again, brought me back.
While I was "out," I didn't see any beckoning dead relatives or a fiery hot hell, just...
nothing and that's just fine. So, there is no fear of death, only the method of dying. Burning to death in a fire, a plane or car crash, et cetera, that would not be my preferred way to go. I've got CVA and diabetes so a stroke or heart attack will be my most likely demise. I'd like to go the way my aunt did. While a passenger in a car, she said she had a headache and was going to try and take a nap. She closed her eyes and because of a stroke, never woke up. Peaceful.

That’s a lot of words to say you only believe in a material existence.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

That’s a lot of words to say you only believe in a material existence.

I've never expected life to be fair. I don't know where you're getting that from.

 

[ding]

I've never expected life to be fair. I don't know where you're getting that from.

That’s good because often time it isn’t.

 

[Zebra]

"This thread" wasn't started by an atheist.

it was started by Midnight FM

"This thread" wasn't started by an atheist.