Continued as part of the OP and subsequent posts... (finally)
We have a great industry of conspiracy theories out there. Believe it or not, it is a big business and those involved are just as greedy and unscrupulous as you can find in any other business. Many of them can and will pass on garbage and feel no remorse about it. Although some may really believe what they say, and even some may actually be thinking they are doing the right thing, there are nearly as many just out to entertain or grab a buck.
Now I am not saying that all of these people are hucksters, no not at all. Some really do believe what they claim, and would do the same thing even if they never made a dime. Guys like Maxwell, and Huxley are this type. A lot of what they say is most likely true in some aspect or another. But something being most likely true in some aspect does not make it all true either. A great deal of it is still just speculation, no matter how logical or good it sounds.
After the good intentioned folk, we have the entertainers. These are the professional wrestling of the theory culture. The David Ike's and his ilk. They like to be outrageous and they like to entertain. They often try and pass that off as real, but most of it is no more genuine than Hulk Hogan in Wrestlemania. They point to "lizard people" or reptillians and make claims so fantastic no one outside the more strange sects take them seriously. THese people believe themselves harmless, and although they are when viewed directly, indirectly they can unwittingly spread a lot of negativity. Some actually go to see a Ike presentation believing when he says "reptilians" he means "jews" or "zionists". And that is a serious problem he seems to ignore or pretend its a lie... So Ike and some like him are relatively harmless and entertaining, but to some they are irresponsible to say the least.
Me? I think He has a niche and he is going to ride it out. I think he knows some racists take "reptilian" to mean "jew" or he may even actually mean it that way. Either way he knows its money and hes not going to stop...
After the Ike's and the Maxwells, we have the Alex Jones types. These guys are the most widely appealing and have the biggest audience, which means they make the most money. They use the "investigative journalist" angle and play it well. They do "expose's" on globalists and the elites, and do so in a way that looks very professional and realistic. They stand outside CFR meetings and shout with signs, sneak into Bohemian Grove, and all types of things. The thing to remember with these guys, they jump from theory to theory blaming "globalists"... Well thats a way of naming a bad guy almost everyone can get behind. its basically saying "they" did it, and keeping "them" very vague. And thats how you can easily see the fact it is a business to them. They blame someone who is an apparition or someone who they cannot prove anything on like does with the "reptilians" but they up the ante with a group or individual who is human but nonetheless benign.
Now thats not to say Jone's is completely wrong about everything. No not at all, globalists do seek world government and all of that. But the problem arises when you have to consider how much they actually do as opposed to how much he claims they do. According to him they do it all... Well I think its more logical they don't have to. There are just as many azzholes at home as there are the next town over.
After that we have the completely unethical and irresponsible types. The ones who post utube videos and write blogs making baseless and wild claims directed to the emotional public. They are the types all of us need to stay away from. Often these types do far more harm than they do good or even entertain. Its one thing to have a niche and be entertaining, and its another to pass on garbage that is detrimental to legitimate folk with a real problem they want answers to.
These lowlife SOB's are the ones spreading nonsense about explosives placed in the cores of the twin towers while they were built. or the ones who tell us this or that political party member is a Satan worshiper. They are as likely give any truth as I am to become the next Pope. And whats worse, they don't care about anybody or anything outside themselves.
Any person seeking the truth or wishing to impart the truth, would not bring a political party into it. Its a tell tale sign of Bullshit. how could one political party do so much while the other party was right there with them? Hell they can't even agree on legitimate legislation and bicker over the silliest things non-stop, so how in the hell could either of them let the other pull something off like 9/11? Its ridiculous...
These people are motivated by money or a political ideology or both. These kind of partisan hacks are the kind of scumbag who perpetuate the left/right political mentality which keeps people ignorant. And thats why I feel they are the most dangerous to the people of all the theorist types.
Ike is entertaining, and despite being a bit of a kook relatively harmless. Jones again entertaining and has some truth. But the other types who push garbage that makes legitimate concerns a joke, are social parasites.
As far as I am concerned, there is some real legitimate people out there who sincerely seek truth. And then there are entertainers wanting a buck and political pundits wanting to bash the other party. keep that in mind when you go seeking truth....
I like this post. The first part I boldened is what I have been saying since 911, and on here. There is money being made, and sometimes it is not easy figuring out if someone is pushing an idea for cash, or to exchange information.
The second part that I put in bold describes several on the message boards, and I feel that it describes some in the media besides Alex Jones. I would describe the ex-governor and cartoon character Jesse Ventura this way. I think he jumped on the conspiracy bandwagon for profit.
There are those on this very board that fit this description;
"The ones who post utube videos and write blogs making baseless and wild claims directed to the emotional public. They are the types all of us need to stay away from. Often these types do far more harm than they do good or even entertain"
I believe that since you, gslack, seem to have figured out agent chrissy as quick as you have, you will figure out the ones that fit this description as well.
I understand that there are questions about what happened on 911, there should be. I have questions myself. I also understand that in the most basic sense, the official investigations and reports (commission report and NIST report) raised as many questions as they answer. I do think that the basic premise of both of these investigations is accurate. I hold that opinion because so far I have not seen anything credible that disputes a planned attack by al qaida. So far the only arguments to dispute that basic premise are based soley on distrust of the government, or hatred of President Bush. In some cases, I believe that some alternate theories are presented only to advance distrust and hatred of the government or particular people. Most of the time those that spread this type of propaganda (yup that's all it is) start out something like this; "Well, since we all know that Bush/Cheney murdered 3000+ American Citizens....." or include the term OCTA. Dead givaway there that someone has an agenda, especially when they do not present any facts or even opinions.
I agree. however I do feel a healthy amount of government distrust is a good thing. keeps the bastards respectable at least...
I am sure I will meet the more extreme types on this board as I get more experience.
I do want to say... I watched the attacks and collapse live as they happened from my office that was in Fort Meade Maryland back then. At the time it looked to me like a controlled demolition to just below impact level. I stated as much then and virtually everyone in the office concurred. Now none of us are experts on that, I and at least two other people had seen buildings taken down using controlled demolition from a distance before, but no real first hand experience other than that.
Despite everyone's agreement at the time, once the explanations came in as to how they fell and their construction, the number of people still feeling it was a controlled demolition diminished to a very small few. I still had my doubts, and they still remain... Too many coincidences, innuendo, and related things to just accept the official report.
But a controlled demolition? Well on the towers, I seriously doubt it. But the smaller building 7 I believe its called? That was brought down, and there is no denying that. Why? who knows, it had already been evacuated and to my knowledge no one was alive in it, so that is actually not relevant beyond that. it doesn't mean the other two were brought down, and thats the way we have to look at it. One does not equal the other and that is the truth.
I doubt the controlled demolition on the towers mostly because after doing some research (not from conspiracy sites) on their construction, we see they wouldn't have had to use charges on it to bring it down. The design was similar to an expansion bridge in the way the pieces all connected to make the whole greater than the sum of its parts. The outside concrete, aluminum and steel pre-fab pieces were designed to work like a screen. And were not actual load bearing on their own like that of an older or classical construction. They shared load bearing once all connected but even then only a small amount.
The main load bearing was handled by the floor trusses which connected to the central core structure and to a very small degree the outer wall pre-fab meshes. The floor trusses themselves were held up by the core structures rather than the classic load bearing walls and main beams used in other constructions.
The thing is if they had been designed with a load bearing support at each corner, the buildings would probably still be standing today. And if they had been built with a bit of the classical methods of load bearing walls per floor, they definitely would still be standing.
The part of the official report that is probably the most accurate is their account of how the buildings fell. By looking at the design you can easily see this if you are being objective and honest. The problem is how did a group terrorists living in caves figure this out and how did they manage to pull it off like they did. And thats where the official report turns to garbage in my opinion.
