Reagan vs Obama

[bripat9643]

The two economies are not exactly comparable, of course. Manufacturing jobs, to which workers can be quickly summoned back, make up a much smaller percentage of the total jobs today. Inflation fell sharply in and after the ’81–’82 recession, while it is increasing today. Housing prices had not suffered nearly the hit they have taken in recent years, adversely influencing people’s perception of their ability to spend money. The microprocessor revolution was much less advanced then than now, when firms contemplating expansion are more likely to look to investing in new technology than in new employees (although the new technology will create more jobs in the long run).

In other words, Reagan's policies worked while Obama's haven't worked. All the excuses you are making for Obama are the result of his policies. Inflation is higher because Obama is debasing the currency. Technology is not advancing because Obama is punishing corporations for investing. The housing market is in the tank because Obama's regulations make it harder for banks to loan money.

These are the fruits of liberalism.

 

[bripat9643]

Reagan was from 81 to 89


Note he left the lowest tax revenues for the next guy to deal with.

Do you remember Bush has to raise taxes.

I remember that Bush raised taxes. I don't remember that he had to.

No politician has to raise taxes when the federal government is sucking in 25% of everything our economy produces.

 

[Trajan]

I suppose no one cares that the OP's propaganda piece juggled the time frames so that Reagan's segment reflects the best part of his presidency.

AND I also suppose that no one cares that the Reagan recovery, this wondrous economic miracle you clowns are touting,

can't help yourself can you?


anyway, it says in the op, what the comparison is, I am sorry if using a linear yearly calender is not convenient for you or obama, the comparison is post recession, Nov. 82 end of the Reagan recession, July 09 end of the Bush (obama) recession. We are also 21 months out from the end of the recession in 09 and have cracked 5% ONCE....


hello-

• GDP. In the seven quarters after the 1981-82 recession ended, the economy cranked out quarterly growth rates that averaged 7.1%. Under Obama, GDP growth has averaged a mere 2.8%. (See chart at right.)

took place after the historic 1982 ROLLBACK of much of the 1981 Reagan tax cut!!

So, LOGICALLY, if Reaganomics is the model, you Reaganoids should have supported a partial ROLLBACK of the Bush tax cuts.

Eh?

Funny things, those facts.

the rest is a strawman ....as usual.

 

[bripat9643]

the tax rate was nearly 70 percent under reagans first year.

he then lowered it to 50% for most of his term.

He only lowered it further in his last years.

That lowered revenue caused Bush 41 to raise it back up due to debt

Bush's stupidity is the only thing that caused him to raise it. Excess Democrat spending is what causes debt, not insufficient taxation.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I suppose no one cares that the OP's propaganda piece juggled the time frames so that Reagan's segment reflects the best part of his presidency.

AND I also suppose that no one cares that the Reagan recovery, this wondrous economic miracle you clowns are touting,

can't help yourself can you?


anyway, it says in the op, what the comparison is, I am sorry if using a linear yearly calender is not convenient for you or obama, the comparison is post recession, Nov. 82 end of the Reagan recession, July 09 end of the Bush (obama) recession. We are also 21 months out from the end of the recession in 09 and have cracked 5% ONCE....


hello-

• GDP. In the seven quarters after the 1981-82 recession ended, the economy cranked out quarterly growth rates that averaged 7.1%. Under Obama, GDP growth has averaged a mere 2.8%. (See chart at right.)

took place after the historic 1982 ROLLBACK of much of the 1981 Reagan tax cut!!

So, LOGICALLY, if Reaganomics is the model, you Reaganoids should have supported a partial ROLLBACK of the Bush tax cuts.

Eh?

Funny things, those facts.

the rest is a strawman ....as usual.

Do you deny that almost all if not all of the Reagan recovery occurred AFTER the 1982 tax increase?

Please, deny that.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I suppose no one cares that the OP's propaganda piece juggled the time frames so that Reagan's segment reflects the best part of his presidency.

AND I also suppose that no one cares that the Reagan recovery, this wondrous economic miracle you clowns are touting,

can't help yourself can you?


anyway, it says in the op, what the comparison is, I am sorry if using a linear yearly calender is not convenient for you or obama, the comparison is post recession, Nov. 82 end of the Reagan recession, July 09 end of the Bush (obama) recession. We are also 21 months out from the end of the recession in 09 and have cracked 5% ONCE....


hello-

• GDP. In the seven quarters after the 1981-82 recession ended, the economy cranked out quarterly growth rates that averaged 7.1%. Under Obama, GDP growth has averaged a mere 2.8%. (See chart at right.)

took place after the historic 1982 ROLLBACK of much of the 1981 Reagan tax cut!!

So, LOGICALLY, if Reaganomics is the model, you Reaganoids should have supported a partial ROLLBACK of the Bush tax cuts.

Eh?

Funny things, those facts.

the rest is a strawman ....as usual.

Why don't you factor in the amount that interest rates fell from August of 82 on.

Why don't you factor in how much larger our manufacturing base was in 82 compared to 2009?

Why don't you factor in how much oil prices FELL from 81/82 on?

 

[Sallow]

"Do you just make stuff up as you go along?"
I make nothing up, nor do I post what I cannot support.

Clinton kissed the hems of Castro's gown in the Elian Gonzalez case....breaking American law and traditon.

Libs talk about warrentless wiretaps and the Patriot Act...but breaking into the home of an American citizen who had broken no laws, and infracted no court order, and kidnapping at gunpoint just to assuage Communist Dictator Fidel Castro is exactly what Democrat Clinton did.

Care to debate this?

Oh, and here I thought Clinton made some secret deal with Castro or something that almost brought the entire country to its knees. You know, you could have just SAID what you were talking about, and we could have cleared that up immediately. You also could haved posted a link to any one of hundreds of articles assessing the Brookings analysis, rather than one by a blatantly far-right organization as a teaser. But nooooooooo, it's not your style. You just love to toss out little crumbs hoping to hook a sucker. When or when will I learn your MO?

So, out of all that verbiage designed to cloud the issue...you seem to admit that Democrat Clinton marched shoulder to shoulder with Communist Tyrannt Fidel Castro....


...I see your improvement already!

Ah..so you hate Clinton and love Reagan..

This speaks volumes.

I love posting it.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R67CH-qhXJs]YouTube - President Ronald Reagan - Address on Iran-Contra[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5YOQEZtNE0&feature=related]YouTube - Ronald Reagan Speech about Iran-Contra (Part 2 of 2)[/ame]

He committed treason and lied about it.

 

[Trajan]

I suppose no one cares that the OP's propaganda piece juggled the time frames so that Reagan's segment reflects the best part of his presidency.

AND I also suppose that no one cares that the Reagan recovery, this wondrous economic miracle you clowns are touting,

can't help yourself can you?


anyway, it says in the op, what the comparison is, I am sorry if using a linear yearly calender is not convenient for you or obama, the comparison is post recession, Nov. 82 end of the Reagan recession, July 09 end of the Bush (obama) recession. We are also 21 months out from the end of the recession in 09 and have cracked 5% ONCE....


hello-

took place after the historic 1982 ROLLBACK of much of the 1981 Reagan tax cut!!

So, LOGICALLY, if Reaganomics is the model, you Reaganoids should have supported a partial ROLLBACK of the Bush tax cuts.

Eh?

Funny things, those facts.

the rest is a strawman ....as usual.

Do you deny that almost all if not all of the Reagan recovery occurred AFTER the 1982 tax increase?

Please, deny that.

 

[NYcarbineer]

To go back to 'Reaganomics', you would have to raise taxes by approximately 30%.

You would also have to magically eliminate about 90% of the interest on the debt that any current and future administration has to pay before they pay for anything else.

 

[Sallow]

can't help yourself can you?


anyway, it says in the op, what the comparison is, I am sorry if using a linear yearly calender is not convenient for you or obama, the comparison is post recession, Nov. 82 end of the Reagan recession, July 09 end of the Bush (obama) recession. We are also 21 months out from the end of the recession in 09 and have cracked 5% ONCE....


hello-






the rest is a strawman ....as usual.

Do you deny that almost all if not all of the Reagan recovery occurred AFTER the 1982 tax increase?

Please, deny that.

Strawmen are based on fallacy.

That was not.

Please..concentrate.

 

[Mr Liberty]

You continue to celebrate your economic illiteracy. Reagan cut taxes overall.

Cut them to what? What were the top rates? Should we go back to the rates under his administration?

Why do you want to raise taxes? Just curious.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

You continue to celebrate your economic illiteracy. Reagan cut taxes overall.

Cut them to what? What were the top rates? Should we go back to the rates under his administration?

Odd how you always fixate on how to take more of somebody else's money.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

You continue to celebrate your economic illiteracy. Reagan cut taxes overall.

Cut them to what? What were the top rates? Should we go back to the rates under his administration?

Why do you want to raise taxes? Just curious.

Because they can never have too much of your money. It's the entitlement mentality.

 

[sinister59]

Reagan vs. Obama?

Obama would probably win, Reagan is a dead pile of bones. Although, Obama is dumb enough to lose a thumb wrestling contest with a calcium deposit.

Obama is smarter than any republican who has held office in thrity years.


To pretend that the man is not intelligent is a cheap partisan lie.

You can disagree with him if you wish but to spew lies out of pure hate makes you as dumb as a post.

I never bought into the conspiracy theorist that president are appointed that elections were just a formality but told what to do and say when hired ,
but sense reagion I think they may be right .
after all the only thing reagon did was remember his lines , W kept forgetting them and tried to ad-live .

I'm not sure when we lost our country but in 2000 bush bought it from a judge in Florida .

 

[Sallow]

You continue to celebrate your economic illiteracy. Reagan cut taxes overall.

Cut them to what? What were the top rates? Should we go back to the rates under his administration?

Why do you want to raise taxes? Just curious.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

That might help.

The government makes it's money that way. If it's not meeting it's debt obligations..then it has to increase revenue or cut spending.

And you guys love the big shiny military we spend so much on..and we guys love the peeps (You know..Americans?) we spend so much money on.

So? Whatcha gonna do..

 

[bripat9643]

Why don't you factor in the amount that interest rates fell from August of 82 on.

You mean interest rates where lower then than they are now? Interest rates zoomed up during the Carter administration because he thought debasing the currency was a good way to stimulate the economy. It didn't work then, and it isn't working now.

Why don't you factor in how much larger our manufacturing base was in 82 compared to 2009?

In dollar terms, it was about the same. The number of people employed will decrease as efficiency increases. That's inevitable.

Why don't you factor in how much oil prices FELL from 81/82 on?[/QUOTE]

They fell because Reagan got rid of Carter's silly price controls and rationing schemes. Now they are rising because Obama refuses to allow oil companies to drill anywhere.

 

[bripat9643]

Strawmen are based on fallacy.

That was not.

Please..concentrate.

ROLF! I love it when libs act proud of their ignorance.

 

[bripat9643]

Why do you want to raise taxes? Just curious.

Obviously, it's because he's a tic on the ass of society.

 

[bripat9643]

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

That might help.

The government makes it's money that way. If it's not meeting it's debt obligations..then it has to increase revenue or cut spending.

And you guys love the big shiny military we spend so much on..and we guys love the peeps (You know..Americans?) we spend so much money on.

So? Whatcha gonna do..

Just as expected, you dodged the question. No one asked you whether the Constitution gives the federal government the power to tax or how deficits are created. They asked why you want to raise taxes.

 

[percysunshine]

Reagan vs. Obama?

Obama would probably win, Reagan is a dead pile of bones. Although, Obama is dumb enough to lose a thumb wrestling contest with a calcium deposit.

Obama is smarter than any republican who has held office in thrity years.


To pretend that the man is not intelligent is a cheap partisan lie.

You can disagree with him if you wish but to spew lies out of pure hate makes you as dumb as a post.

Obama is a moron. He makes Bush look like Einstein. The guy can't even form a cogent thought without reading it off a teleprompter.