Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus

[BreezeWood]

Do you think Jesus hated the money changers? He hated the fact that the Jewish money changers were shorting those who had sojourned to Israel. And in God's house no less! Doesn't say much for the Jewish money changers does it?
Did Jesus hate them? Far from it. He hung on a cross to pay for the sins of those money changers so they could be with Him for eternity. Same for you, even though you kill Christ's prophets the way the Jews killed God's OT prophets.

not at all, they knew the fate that awaited them for their outspoken yet not recorded liberation theology for who would not be sinners, not those that are and would crucify them. repentance needs not a messiah.

how does the 4th century christian bible not make you a crucifier ram. christians have been persecuting and victimizing the innocent since that time to the present -

glossing over the fallacies, messiah - does not remove them and has always been the primary goal for whoever were the 1st century adherents betrayed by the deceptions of the 4th - throughout history.

 

[irosie91]

not at all, they knew the fate that awaited them for their outspoken yet not recorded liberation theology for who would not be sinners, not those that are and would crucify them. repentance needs not a messiah.

how does the 4th century christian bible not make you a crucifier ram. christians have been persecuting and victimizing the innocent since that time to the present -

glossing over the fallacies, messiah - does not remove them and has always been the primary goal for whoever were the 1st century adherents betrayed by the deceptions of the 4th - throughout history.

must you COMPLICATE the issue for poor Jesus, breezie? Jesus
never heard of "liberation theology". NOR was he an ESSENE---
which you might consider something like a liberation theology.
It is possible that his groupie thing was something like the
commune people out in the dead sea area-----along with mary
magdelena ------female hippiess ? ----but they had a little
economies for self-support ------like the collecting of Bitumen.
What did Jesus and Magdalena do for bread?

 

[irosie91]

not at all, they knew the fate that awaited them for their outspoken yet not recorded liberation theology for who would not be sinners, not those that are and would crucify them. repentance needs not a messiah.

how does the 4th century christian bible not make you a crucifier ram. christians have been persecuting and victimizing the innocent since that time to the present -

glossing over the fallacies, messiah - does not remove them and has always been the primary goal for whoever were the 1st century adherents betrayed by the deceptions of the 4th - throughout history.

leave the RAM alone Breezie------so far her posts don't say much for
her Sunday school teacher

 

[irosie91]

Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus​

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for the edification of the filth and stench who post on this board---
to wit, Saruda, IrishRam, Penelope, Watching from afar etc
etc-----the ISLAMO NAZI SCUM OF THE WORLD---the title of the
OP says all anyone needs know to understand the the shit which
YOU ARE. ------I know your keywords from YOUR LITERATURE
which I read in copious amounts since I was 8 years old and heard
from people like you ----both children and adults for almost 70
years and even from those "EDUCATED" in your ethos and in your
"places of worship" ----for filth-----read YOUR BOOKS and---listen
to what the children say

 

[Dragonlady]

I agree, but what is, is & there is nothing I can do about it now


The point is simple enough, many Christians believe Jesus died for our sins.

That is wrong, Jesus was murdered by the local Rabbi clan in order to stop Jesus from teaching the book of Ezekiel.

The Book of Ezekiel is the third of the Latter Prophets in the Tanakh and one of the major prophetic books in the Old Testament, following Isaiah and Jeremiah. According to the book itself, it records six visions of the prophet Ezekiel, exiled in Babylon, during the 22 years from 593 to 571 BC, although it is the product of a long and complex history and does not necessarily preserve the very words of the prophet.
Book of Ezekiel - Wikipedia
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Jesus died in order to fulfill the prophecies. So He could rise from the dead and ascend into heaven. His death has to make sense historically so they made up excuses but the bald truth is that Jesus died because God willed it.

Jesus could have stopped His crucifiction at any time using His powers as the Son of God, but He too, carried out God’s will.

This idea of “blaming” the Jews or the Romans for his death is ridiculous. They did God’s bidding.

 

[irosie91]

Jesus died in order to fulfill the prophecies. So He could rise from the dead and ascend into heaven. His death has to make sense historically so they made up excuses but the bald truth is that Jesus died because God willed it.

Jesus could have stopped His crucifiction at any time using His powers as the Son of God, but He too, carried out God’s will.

This idea of “blaming” the Jews or the Romans for his death is ridiculous. They did God’s bidding.

Jesus died because he was crucified for the one crime for which
people in Judea were crucified at that time----SEDITION AGAINST
ROME------his sedition was the attack on the money changers in
the Temple courtyard------a ROMAN INTEREST GROUP. He did it
because the PHARISEES despised the ROMAN INCURSION INTO
THE TEMPLE COURTYARD as much as the Maccabees has despised
the minions Antiochus who placed their idols in the Temple
precincts-------now you know. History is history---the history of
that time is not THAT MUCH OF A MYSTERY

 

[irosie91]

stymied again-----unable to answer the easiest questions. But
I am impressed by your claim that Jesus attacked the money changers out of "LOVE" and even "DIED" for them------lots of pharisees DIED
for them-------lots of pharisees got CRUCIFIED FOR ATTACKING THEM

PS----and the PHARISEES that got crucified for attacking them
were CRUCIFIED by the filth of the HOLEY ROMAN EMPIRE---the
founders of christianity

 

[The Irish Ram]

stymied again-----unable to answer the easiest questions. But
I am impressed by your claim that Jesus attacked the money changers out of "LOVE" and even "DIED" for them------lots of pharisees DIED
for them-------lots of pharisees got CRUCIFIED FOR ATTACKING THEM

If you haven't heard of him then Wiki him for the information you lack. We know all about the pharisees. Jesus used them as an example of how not to act.
It matters not whether you are impressed or not. It changes nothing in the Bible. And you stymie no one. In fact you go off the rail quite a bit. I say something about Jesus and you start screaming Caiaphas. You seem to insist that I am Catholic, you toss out insults instead of info, go on about fish sticks, playgrounds, and do anything but have a rational discussion and you think that I have the time to sit around and play. Go do your home work. Google the transcript and follow it's Jewish journey, where it was kept, who transcribed it...

Then come back and we'll have a civil discussion about it, or can't you do that?

 

[irosie91]

If you haven't heard of him then Wiki him for the information you lack. We know all about the pharisees. Jesus used them as an example of how not to act.
It matters not whether you are impressed or not. It changes nothing in the Bible. And you stymie no one. In fact you go off the rail quite a bit. I say something about Jesus and you start screaming Caiaphas. You seem to insist that I am Catholic, you toss out insults instead of info, go on about fish sticks, playgrounds, and do anything but have a rational discussion and you think that I have the time to sit around and play. Go do your home work. Google the transcript and follow it's Jewish journey, where it was kept, who transcribed it...

Then come back and we'll have a civil discussion about it, or can't you do that?

I already googled it-----there is nothing about any person named
NICODEMUS that renders his words and putative words worth a hill of beans. There are lots of Johns and a few persons called Nicodemus
and lots of persons called Yeshua and in contemporary times EVEN
MORE PEOPLE DESPERATE to shoehorn them into idiot positions. Did you find any collaborative evidence at all that the Money changers
in the temple court yard were "short changing" people or is that just
something from your own neighborhood? or your own experience?
Do you know how the term DUALIE is used? I do -----I actually remember when it was coined by the CHILDREN OF THE HOLEY ROMAN EMPIRE. I did not say you are a catholic----but you are a child of the "HOLEY ROMAN EMPIRE_-----as are all christians with
background in Europe

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

very little----I have spent some time, in the past, doing evaluations of people in the prison wards for the criminally insane

Satan does not want the truth to be talked about. That is why people have not heard it. An insane being made prisons. There is no truth in the church, teaching people how to be. There is plenty of arrest nudes, and people who fuck what they don't fuck, and arrest people who touch a different age than they are. That teaches people to be sane, to be in their right mind? There is no one running prisons teaching people how to be with others, and why, backing it up with scripture. A fear based system will make people to emulate them. That is the only example they have. There is no hope beyond what is seen. Church and prisons hate God's image, loving clothing, and money. What else would you expect?

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

I already googled it-----there is nothing about any person named
NICODEMUS that renders his words and putative words worth a hill of beans. There are lots of Johns and a few persons called Nicodemus
and lots of persons called Yeshua and in contemporary times EVEN
MORE PEOPLE DESPERATE to shoehorn them into idiot positions. Did you find any collaborative evidence at all that the Money changers
in the temple court yard were "short changing" people or is that just
something from your own neighborhood? or your own experience?
Do you know how the term DUALIE is used? I do -----I actually remember when it was coined by the CHILDREN OF THE HOLEY ROMAN EMPIRE. I did not say you are a catholic----but you are a child of the "HOLEY ROMAN EMPIRE_-----as are all christians with
background in Europe

John 3:1-21 KJV John Chapter 3 1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Evil people will discount the Biblical account. Jesus hates money. Church and businesses emulate the money changers. They were there to make money, anyway they could, including the selling doves. Giving unto god what is God's is not talking about money. Giving unto Caesar, what is Caesar's, is giving to Caesar what belongs to him. His image and name are on the coin. Can you comprehend what I am saying? People of this world would say that? Christians did not step foot on this continent.

 

[irosie91]

I already googled it-----there is nothing about any person named
NICODEMUS that renders his words and putative words worth a hill of beans. There are lots of Johns and a few persons called Nicodemus
and lots of persons called Yeshua and in contemporary times EVEN
MORE PEOPLE DESPERATE to shoehorn them into idiot positions. Did you find any collaborative evidence at all that the Money changers
in the temple court yard were "short changing" people or is that just
something from your own neighborhood? or your own experience?
Do you know how the term DUALIE is used? I do -----I actually remember when it was coined by the CHILDREN OF THE HOLEY ROMAN EMPIRE. I did not say you are a catholic----but you are a child of the "HOLEY ROMAN EMPIRE_-----as are all christians with
background in Europe

PS----jesus was a pharisee TOP TO BOTTOM----the Romans hated the pharisees because the pharisees OPPOSED ROMAN OPPRESSION AND PERVERSION----as did Jesus. John the Baptist was a pharisee----Pharisees opposed the "KINGSHIP" of Herod----and John the Baptist also opposed the sexual perversions of the Herod Palace Court---(roman style) and the sexual perversions of "mrs herod" ----so Herod and Mrs Herod and daughter herod killed him. Learn some history

 

[irosie91]

John 3:1-21 KJV John Chapter 3 1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Evil people will discount the Biblical account. Jesus hates money. Church and businesses emulate the money changers. They were there to make money, anyway they could, including the selling doves. Giving unto god what is God's is not talking about money. Giving unto Caesar, what is Caesar's, is giving to Caesar what belongs to him. His image and name are on the coin. Can you comprehend what I am saying? People of this world would say that? Christians did not steep foot on this continent.

Jesus hates money? from which orifice did you pull that one. I know what you are saying ------very sunday school BS. Two jelly
beans for you. BTW doves are a food item in the Middle east----in the USA we call them QUAIL What does "CHRISTIANS DID NOT STEEP FOOT ........ mean?

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

PS----jesus was a pharisee TOP TO BOTTOM----the Romans hated the pharisees because the pharisees OPPOSED ROMAN OPPRESSION AND PERVERSION----as did Jesus. John the Baptist was a pharisee----Pharisees opposed the "KINGSHIP" of Herod----and John the Baptist also opposed the sexual perversions of the Herod Palace Court---(roman style) and the sexual perversions of "mrs herod" ----so Herod and Mrs Herod and daughter herod killed him. Learn some history

Jesus was the Lord of Glory, 1 Corinthians 2:8 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. The mouth - tongue must not be perverted. people who loved death giving are born of fornication. That would not have been had Christs enemies had a changed of heart, seeing that Jesus as the Lord of Glory.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

Jesus hates money? from which orifice did you pull that one. I know what you are saying ------very sunday school BS. Two jelly
beans for you. BTW doves are a food item in the Middle east----in the USA we call them QUAIL What does "CHRISTIANS DID NOT STEEP FOOT ........ mean?

Yep. Give unto god what is God's is giving people what has his unseen name and image on it. God's children make things with those things. They are useful. Money will be unless when God's gifts are used up. Money is accelerating that prosses, depleting the earth of whatever at a rapid rate. God is not a gift giver? Christmas is real giving when money is used? Jesus would not have killed the Indians. He would have not disturbed them. Jesus would not have pushed them off of their land. The people in Denmark were Christens. Christians would have gone back to where they came from. Money demands a human sacrafice and animal sacrafice too. Food is poison to them in a desprate attempt to make money. People make drugs in a desprate attempt to make money not caring about anyone. Jesus in our day would say: Give unto the dead the things that belong unto the dead, giving unto the living, the things that belong unto the God of the living. Look on the bills and coins. All of them are dead, except for Queen Elisabeth. That cannot last forever.

 

[irosie91]

SPELL CHECK IS YOUR FRIEND

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

SPELL CHECK IS YOUR FRIEND

I saw the i missing in Christian.

 

[irosie91]

I saw the i missing in Christian.

thank you

 

[Likkmee]

My confession

My mother gave me a King James Bible when I was a child. Seventy-one (71) years later I still have it. My bible has numerous marker tags highlighting what I found interesting and worth reminding me of for future review.

I began by reading the New Testament which is full of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus taught us how to be kind to others, as in the stranger but most of all Jesus used the Book of Ezekiel one of the major prophetic books in the Old Testament. It records six visions of the prophet Ezekiel, exiled in Babylon, during the 22 years from 593 to 571 BC.

The visions, and the book, are structured around three themes: (1) Judgment on Israel (chapters 1–24); (2) Judgment on the nations (chapters 25–32); and (3) Future blessings for Israel (chapters 33–48). Its themes include the concepts of the presence of God, purity, Israel as a divine community, and individual responsibility to God.
Book of Ezekiel - Wikipedia

During this period Jerusalem was under the rule of the Romans which the local community strongly rejected.

More famous Jewish teachers come from Galilee than anywhere else in the world. They were known for their great reverence for Scripture and the passionate desire to be faithful to it. This translated into vibrant religious communities, devoted to strong families, their country, whose synagogues echoed the debate and discussions about keeping the Torah. They resisted the pagan influences of Hellenism far more than did their Judean counterparts. When the great revolt against the pagan Romans and their collaborators (66-74 AD) finally occurred, it began among the Galileans.

That the World May Know | Rabbi and Talmidim

in Palestine there were a number of occasions when more restless elements in the population resisted Roman abuses and followed the tradition of “zealousness for the Law.”

under the Romans (ruled 37-4 B.C.E.). Herod surrounded himself with Greek scholars and undertook many building projects, including a magnificent and fortified palace. He rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem.

Before he died, Jesus of Nazareth was born.

Life for the Jews under the procurators was exceedingly difficult. This protrait is confirmed by the Jewish historian Josephus who chronicled a number of events that provoked the Jews under Pilate and other procurators, leading to riots, beatings, and executions.

The last procurators in particular were indifferent to Jewish religious sensibilities; and various patriotic groups, to whom nationalism was an integral part of their religion, succeeded in polarizing the Jewish population and bringing on the first war with Rome in 66. The climax of the war, as noted earlier, was the destruction of the Temple in 70, though, according to Josephus, Titus sought to spare it.

Bar Kokhba Revolt, also called Second Jewish Revolt, (132–135 CE), Jewish rebellion against Roman rule in Judaea. The revolt was preceded by years of clashes between Jews and Romans in the area.
Bar Kokhba Revolt | History & Facts | Britannica

The history of the Jews in the Roman Empire

Rebellion in Judaea
Although Judaea was ruled by the Romans, the governors there had practiced the same kind of religious tolerance as was shown to Jews in Rome. However, Roman tactlessness and inefficiency, along with famine and internal squabbles, led to a rise in Jewish discontent.

In 66 AD, this discontent exploded into open rebellion. Four years later, the Roman army had crushed the revolt, but had also destroyed the temple. The sacred treasures were seized and shown off in a procession through the streets of Rome.
The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Jews In Roman Times | PBS

The history of Palestine is the study of the past in the region of Palestine, defined as the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (where Israel and Palestine are today). Strategically situated between three continents, Palestine has a tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity and has been controlled by many kingdoms and powers, including Ancient Egypt, Persia, Alexander the Great and his successors, the Roman Empire, several Muslim dynasties, and the Crusaders. In modern times, the area was ruled by the Ottoman Empire.

The region was among the earliest in the world to see human habitation, agricultural communities and civilization. The Canaanites established independent city-states that were influenced by the surrounding civilizations, among them Egypt, which ruled the area in the Late Bronze Age. The Assyrians conquered Palestine in the 8th century BCE, then the Babylonians in c. 601 BCE, followed by the Persians who conquered the Babylonian Empire in 539 BCE. Alexander the Great conquered Palestine in the late 330s BCE, beginning a long period of Hellenization. In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.

In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia

The crucifixion of Jesus occurred in 1st-century Judea, most likely in either AD 30 or AD 33. Jesus' crucifixion is described in the four canonical gospels, referred to in the New Testament epistles, attested to by other ancient sources, and is established as a historical event confirmed by non-Christian sources.According to the canonical gospels, Jesus was arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin, and then sentenced by Pontius Pilate to be scourged.

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Sanhedrin Court
Jesus was stripped of his clothing and offered vinegar mixed with myrrh or gall to drink after saying "I am thirsty". He was then hung between two convicted thieves and, according to the Gospel of Mark, died by the 9th hour of the day (at around 3:00 p.m.). During this time, the soldiers affixed a sign to the top of the cross stating "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" which, according to the Gospel of John (John 19:20), was written in three languages (Hebrew, Latin, and Greek). They then divided his garments among themselves and cast lots for his seamless robe, according to the Gospel of John. According to the Gospel of John, after Jesus' death, one soldier (named in extra-Biblical tradition as Longinus) pierced his side with a spear to be certain that he had died, then blood and water gushed from the wound. The Bible describes seven statements that Jesus made while he was on the cross, as well as several supernatural events that occurred.

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Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia

In the canonical gospels, Pilate's court refers to the trial of Jesus in praetorium before Pontius Pilate, preceded by the Sanhedrin Trial. In the Gospel of Luke, Pilate finds that Jesus, being from Galilee, belonged to Herod Antipas' jurisdiction, and so he decides to send Jesus to Herod. After questioning Jesus and receiving very few replies, Herod sees Jesus as no threat and returns him to Pilate.
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In all four gospels, the Denial of Peter functions as an intermission during the Sanhedrin trial, while Matthew adds an intermission during the trial before Pilate that narrates the suicide of Judas Iscariot.

At the time Jerusalem was part of Roman Judea, the charges of the Sanhedrin against Jesus held no power before Pilate. He was therefore not a political threat and could be seen as innocent of such a charge. [Jn. 18:36]

Stepping back outside, Pilate publicly declared that he found no basis to charge Jesus,
Pilate's court - Wikipedia

Early in the morning the chief priests (Rabbis)and elders planned to have Jesus executed.

Thirty pieces of silver was the price for which Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus, according to an account in the Gospel of Matthew 26:15 in the New Testament. Before the Last Supper, Judas is said to have gone to the chief priests and agreed to hand over Jesus in exchange for 30 silver coins, and to have attempted to return the money afterwards, filled with remorse.

Pilate explained the amnesty vote and asked: 'Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?'

Chief priests (Rabbis) and officials shouted: 'Crucify! Crucify!' Pilate: 'Go ahead and crucify him. [Pilate says] I myself find no guilt in him.' Jewish leaders: 'Our law says he must die because he claimed to be the Son of God.'

Pilate, interrogated Jesus inside. Pilate tried to set Jesus free.
Jewish leaders: (Rabbis) If you let him go, you disobey Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.'
Pilate brought out Jesus around noon, saying: 'Here is your king.' They [Jewish leaders] shouted: 'Take him away, crucify him!'
Pilate: 'Shall I crucify your king?' Chief priests: 'We have no king but Caesar.'

Pilate handed Jesus over to them for crucifixion.

Early in the morning Jesus was taken to Pilate by the Jewish leaders (Rabbis)

Pilate, inside: 'Are you the king of the Jews?' Jesus: 'My kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my servants would have fought to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders.'

Pilate: 'You are a king, then!' Jesus: 'You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.' Pilate: 'What is truth?'

Pilate, outside: 'I find no guilt in him.'

by the Jewish leaders under Pilate

In the New Testament, the Sanhedrin trial of Jesus refers to the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin (a Jewish judicial body) following his arrest in Jerusalem and prior to the trial before Pontius Pilate. It is an incident reported by all three Synoptic Gospels of the New Testament, while John's Gospel refers to a preliminary inquiry before Annas. The gospel accounts vary on a number of details.

Jesus is generally quiet, does not mount a defense, and rarely responds to the accusations, and is found guilty of various offenses: violating the Sabbath law (by healing on the Sabbath), threatening to destroy the Jewish Temple, practicing sorcery, exorcising people by the power of demons, and claiming to be the Messiah. He is then taken to Pontius Pilate, the governor of Roman Judaea, to be tried for claiming to be the King of the Jews.
Sanhedrin trial of Jesus - Wikipedia

Thereafter, in Pilate's Court, the Jewish elders (Rabbis) ask Pontius Pilate to judge and condemn Jesus, accusing him of claiming to be the King of the Jews. Such a claim would be considered treasonous, for being a direct challenge to the Roman authorities.

Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus
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[BreezeWood]

John 3:1-21 KJV John Chapter 3 1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Evil people will discount the Biblical account. Jesus hates money. Church and businesses emulate the money changers. They were there to make money, anyway they could, including the selling doves. Giving unto god what is God's is not talking about money. Giving unto Caesar, what is Caesar's, is giving to Caesar what belongs to him. His image and name are on the coin. Can you comprehend what I am saying? People of this world would say that? Christians did not step foot on this continent.

Giving unto god what is God's is not talking about money. Giving unto Caesar, what is Caesar's, is giving to Caesar what belongs to him.

who are you kidding, 1st century liberation theology was crucified in accordance to neither. slaveist, the religion of antiquity is the freeing of the spirit - nothing more.