Zone1 Rabbi Manis Friedman says that living things cannot die?

[DennisPTate]

I do not see consciousness as an upper dimension reality. It may very well have an electromagnetic component, which some sensitives might indeed be attuned to receive. If it does, that energy wave spreads endlessly, dissipating in direct function of range. At death, that energy is lowering, with possibly one last pulse, but ends shortly after the heart stops and biologic function ceases. Do not count on an afterlife. You were meant to make the most of this life, this opportunity at consciousness and positive endeavor on this earth, so make people's memory of what you were, who you were, the best you can, lest only infamy lasting forever.

In a way you are onto an important principle. Near death experiencers report that as they move into the afterlife, they become less limited to be individuals......... and they seem to have a larger grasp of the place that their soul or spirit that existed even before their conception really has in the Genius Master Plan.

Carl Jung did an amazing job of explaining this.

To be perfectly honest I found this way of thinking very difficult to even begin to grasp over these past thirty some years.

Jung defined individuation as a lifelong process of becoming psychologically whole. This happens by bringing together conscious and unconscious parts of the self into a balanced whole. NDEs often seem to start this process. NDErs frequently report deep changes. They often feel more compassion and find greater meaning in life. Many lose much of their fear of death. Many also feel a strong sense of purpose or mission. Jung observed similar changes in people who had powerful encounters with archetypal or transpersonal experiences. He saw these as encounters with the Self that permanently change how a person relates to life.

Jung did not claim to prove that there is an afterlife. Instead, he offered a way to talk about spiritual experiences without explaining them away. According to Jung, “The unconscious psyche believes in a life after death.” Dream symbols which exist in the very depths of the soul behave as if the psychic life of the individual will continue after death. Analytical psychology acts as a bridge between inner experience and spiritual meaning. Both Jung’s psychology and NDE research point to similar ideas. Consciousness appears deeper and wider than the ego. Transformation often comes through encounters with something beyond the personal self. Meaning seems to be built into existence itself. The parallels between analytical psychology and NDEs suggest that the human mind may naturally reach toward transcendence. Moments when boundaries fall away may reveal something basic and important about who we are.

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[GLASNOST]

Rabbi Manis Friedman says that living things cannot die? Is it true that there is really no such thing as "death?"​

In what language?

 

[DennisPTate]

In what language?

English for one language?

[John J. Davis, near death experiencer] :

Wildflower Meadow​

Here’s the last part of my near-death experience. My guide took me to what I can only describe as an absolutely beautiful meadow. There were rolling hills, beautiful flowers, green grass. It was a perfect day.

And then my guide left. I thought I was standing there by myself, and then, all of a sudden, a man showed up in front of me. Nobody told me it was him; I just knew that it was Jesus. He was different from everyone else. I could see his hands, and I could see his feet. I could see what he was wearing. He had a white robe on with a golden sash around his waist, and he had gold-colored sandals that laced up his calves, but he was so bright I couldn’t make out his facial features. Jesus had so much energy and so much light that was pouring out of him.

He said something to me, and it is something I have tried to do my entire life since then. It was like my assignment somehow. Jesus said, “You must tell them there is no death.”

Right after he said those words, I immediately woke up back in the hospital room. I asked the surgeon what happened, and he said, “We lost you. You were gone for seven minutes.”

Ever since then, I’ve been doing what Jesus asked me to do. I’ve been telling people that something happens after we pass, and it’s something absolutely beautiful. There is so much hope and so much joy, which we forget about here because life can be very hard.

There are a lot of hard times in life, and we are not supposed to remember the other side. But when you see someone who has had these experiences, it gives you hope. There is a reason for all of this. It’s all real, and we live for eternity. There is really no end. When people cross over and leave us here, they are not gone from us—we will see them again.

Wildflower Meadow - John J. Davis Near-Death Experience

My guide took me to a wildflower meadow with beautiful wildflowers of every color. Suddenly a man showed up and I knew it was Jesus.

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John J. Davis suffered a severe depression for a number of weeks until he began to try his best to pass on the message that he had been given. Now he feels peace and joy.

 

[GLASNOST]

Rabbi Manis Friedman says that living things cannot die? Is it true that there is really no such thing as "death?"​

In what language?

English for one language?

OK. Do we know for sure the definition of both "die" and "death" in English? I hope this question doesn't turn into another "preferred pronoun" free-for-all.

 

[DennisPTate]

OK. Do we know for sure the definition of both "die" and "death" in English? I hope this question doesn't turn into another "preferred pronoun" free-for-all.

I believe that we have a spirit or soul that leaves our physical body when we flatline. Some people can be sent back with a message and that body can be healed so that the spirit or soul can go into that body even after flatlining but I assume that at full fledged and permanent death we also do review our lives and we are told clearly what mission in life we were on and how much of our mission we actually managed to accomplish with our lives.

Here is one of the best explanations for this that I have found so far:

2. Life is Like a River Returning to the Sea​

If our experience as a human is analogous to a journey down a river, then our experience as a spirit is analogous to the entire water cycle. Each of us is like a raindrop which fell from a cloud and ultimately entered into a river for the journey back from where it came – the sea. Then the cycle is repeated.

In the same way that a drop of water is a part of the sea and contains within itself the nature of the sea itself, so our spirit is a part of God containing within it the Whole of God itself. This concept of a something being both a part and the Whole is called in science terminology a fractal.

By becoming a droplet in the water cycle, we can experience wonderful adventures which ultimately help us to understand ourselves and the sea even more. Which river of life we choose to travel down is up to us. Once we begin the journey,
we are partly at the mercy of the river and the course it takes us. How we chose to flow down the river is our decision.

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[GLASNOST]

I believe that we have a spirit or soul that leaves our physical body when we flatline.

That's possible.

Some people can be sent back with a message and that body can be healed so that the spirit or soul can go into that body even after flatlining

I see no purpose in that.

 

[DennisPTate]

That's possible.

I see no purpose in that.

Many who have been sent back with a message for humanity are not at all impressed to leave the paradise or heaven realm that they have glimpsed. Better and better and better ideas and a better understanding of the larger picture are critical to this earth becoming more and more like paradise or haven where love and wisdom will rule in every human heart and mind. That vastly better world is predicted to be here by 2185 but better choices by humans shift the atmosphere of this earth.

[Howard Storm]

5. The Future of the U.S. and the World​

Because of my fear of a nuclear holocaust I asked if there was going to be a nuclear war in the world, and they said no. That astonished me, and I gave them this extensive explanation of how I had lived under the threat of nuclear war. That was one of the reasons I was who I was. I figured, when I was in this life, that it was all sort of hopeless; the world was going to blow up anyway, and nothing made much sense. In that context I felt I could do what I wanted, since nothing mattered.

They said, “No, there isn’t going to be any nuclear war.”

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The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.

And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.

There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.

What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.

People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.

Animals lived with people, in harmony.

People, in this best of all worlds, weren’t interested in knowledge; they were interested in wisdom. This was because they were in a position where anything they needed to know, in the knowledge category, they could receive simply through prayer. Everything, to them, was solvable. They could do anything they wanted to do.

In this future, people had no wanderlust, because they could, spiritually, communicate with everyone else in the world. There was no need to go elsewhere. They were so engrossed with where they were and the people around them that they didn’t have to go on vacation. Vacation from what? They were completely fulfilled and happy.

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[GLASNOST]

Some people can be sent back with a message and that body can be healed so that the spirit or soul can go into that body even after flatlining

I see no purpose in that.

Many who have been sent back with a message for humanity .....

I'm not even going to ask why you accept that idea because I know you cannot motivate a sensible answer.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

But does our consciousness continue and merely go into a higher energetic dimension of space and time? We live in a four dimensional space time continuum and in a five dimensional universe electromagnetism would be a component of gravity.





I sounds to me as if near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie was shown four higher dimensions. That to me sounds like fifth, sixth, seventh and eight dimensional space time.

If that is what is happening then dimension seven and eight sound fantastic.

You know th truth. You reject it.
Your theories deny the gospel message

 

[DennisPTate]

You know th truth. You reject it.
Your theories deny the gospel message

So are you saying that YHWH cannot learn?

Are you saying that The Ancient of Days the Heavenly Father cannot get better and better and better and better at creating other intelligences over infinite time in the past?

Can you not see that Adam and Eve and their children and grandchildren for all of our many, many, many, many, many flaws....... may have some advantages over Covering Cherub Helel and the third of the angels who he led into a revolt?

[Isaiah 14]
Thy pride is brought down to hell, thy carcass is fallen down: under thee shall the moth be strewed, and worms shall be thy covering. 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations? 13 And thou saidst in thy heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit in the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north. 14 I will ascend above the height of the clouds, I will be like the most High. 15 But yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, into the depth of the pit.

[12] "O Lucifer": O day star. All this, according to the letter, is spoken of the king of Babylon. It may also be applied, in a spiritual sense, to Lucifer the prince of devils, who was created a bright angel, but fell by pride and rebellion against God.

16 They that shall see thee, shall turn toward thee, and behold thee. Is this the man that troubled the earth, that shook kingdoms, 17 That made the world a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof, that opened not the prison to his prisoners? 18 All the kings of the nations have all of them slept in glory, every one in his own house. 19 But thou art cast out of thy grave, as an unprofitable branch defiled, and wrapped up among them that were slain by the sword, and art gone down to the bottom of the pit, as a rotten carcass. 20 Thou shalt not keep company with them, even in burial: for thou hast destroyed thy land, thou hast slain thy people: the seed of the wicked shall not be named for ever.