Quick: Name a "Democracy"

[PoliticalChic]

1. If you said 'the United States'.....read on.



2. The latest variation of totalitarianism is neither religious, nor even political: it is cultural. “Totalitarian democracy” is a term made famous by J. L. Talmon to refer to a system of government in which lawfully elected representatives maintain the integrity of a nation state whose citizens, while granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of the government.

a. Cultural totalitarianism is rule by the individual freed from all external authority or constraints, morality fully privatized with Judeo-Christian traditions under attack.

b. Moral and cultural relativism are predominant; no lifestyle is better than any other.

c. Paradoxically, relativist doctrine becomes absolutely unassailable: it brooks no challenges or deviations.





3. The cornerstone of Progressive doctrine is an administrative state freed from the constraints of the Constitution, in which bureaucrats carry out and produce regulations for every aspect of private and public life.

a. Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy The "iron law of oligarchy" states that all forms of organization, regardless of how democratic they may be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop oligarchic tendencies, thus making true democracy practically and theoretically impossible, especially in large groups and complex organizations. The relative structural fluidity in a small-scale democracy succumbs to "social viscosity" in a large-scale organization. According to the "iron law," democracy and large-scale organization are incompatible.
Iron law of oligarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



4. "Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter … in the wake of the NSA spying scandal criticized the American political system. “America has no functioning democracy,” Carter said Tuesday at a meeting of the “Atlantic Bridge” in Atlanta.
Many other high-level U.S. officials have also warned that the U.S. is no longer a democracy.

Carter also said that the moral authority of of the U.S. has sharply declined due to excessive restriction of civil rights.
"http://www.infowars.com/former-president-and-commander-in-chief-america-is-no-longer-a-democracy/




Holy sheeshkabob!!!

I can't recall the last time I agreed with 'Peanuts' Carter!!!

 

[Gardener]

The USA is a Representative Democracy.

 

[PredFan]

There aren't any are there? At least I can't think of any.

 

[Katzndogz]

The United States was never set up to be a democracy but a Republic. Even Ben Franklin knew it wouldn't last forever. It would eventually succumb to a corrupt people who would elect corrupt leaders.

 

[FJO]

Perhaps - in the spirit of the "Purloined Letter", you know, the obvious is there in plan sight, - Canada.

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. If you said 'the United States'.....read on.



2. The latest variation of totalitarianism is neither religious, nor even political: it is cultural. “Totalitarian democracy” is a term made famous by J. L. Talmon to refer to a system of government in which lawfully elected representatives maintain the integrity of a nation state whose citizens, while granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of the government.

a. Cultural totalitarianism is rule by the individual freed from all external authority or constraints, morality fully privatized with Judeo-Christian traditions under attack.

b. Moral and cultural relativism are predominant; no lifestyle is better than any other.

c. Paradoxically, relativist doctrine becomes absolutely unassailable: it brooks no challenges or deviations.





3. The cornerstone of Progressive doctrine is an administrative state freed from the constraints of the Constitution, in which bureaucrats carry out and produce regulations for every aspect of private and public life.

a. Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy The "iron law of oligarchy" states that all forms of organization, regardless of how democratic they may be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop oligarchic tendencies, thus making true democracy practically and theoretically impossible, especially in large groups and complex organizations. The relative structural fluidity in a small-scale democracy succumbs to "social viscosity" in a large-scale organization. According to the "iron law," democracy and large-scale organization are incompatible.
Iron law of oligarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



4. "Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter … in the wake of the NSA spying scandal criticized the American political system. “America has no functioning democracy,” Carter said Tuesday at a meeting of the “Atlantic Bridge” in Atlanta.
Many other high-level U.S. officials have also warned that the U.S. is no longer a democracy.

Carter also said that the moral authority of of the U.S. has sharply declined due to excessive restriction of civil rights.
"http://www.infowars.com/former-president-and-commander-in-chief-america-is-no-longer-a-democracy/




Holy sheeshkabob!!!

I can't recall the last time I agreed with 'Peanuts' Carter!!!

Was it yesterday or the day before that you were cheering the prospect of a Senator Liz Cheney?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The United States was never set up to be a democracy but a Republic. Even Ben Franklin knew it wouldn't last forever. It would eventually succumb to a corrupt people who would elect corrupt leaders.

Republics can be democracies. They are called democratic republics.

Why is every fucking conservative on the planet too ignorant to understand that simple concept?

 

[Gardener]

The United States was never set up to be a democracy but a Republic. Even Ben Franklin knew it wouldn't last forever. It would eventually succumb to a corrupt people who would elect corrupt leaders.

Liar. The House of Representatives was set up as a democratically elected and run institution.

The 10th Amendment delegates all future powers and those not mentioned in the USC, to the States and The People. That's democracy.

 

[konradv]

Not this again?!?! Please move the discussion to the Rubber Room.

 

[DiamondDave]

The USA is a Representative Democracy.

Ahh.. yet another in line with the moronic thinking of minds such as TDM

No.. we are not a 'representative democracy'.. we are not a democracy at all.. we do not have majority rule.. and rightfully so

We are a constitutional representative republic... where the constitution trumps the will of the majority if it is not in line with the constitution itself.. it is there, in fact, to protects us against the tyranny of the majority and is supposed to be there to limit the federal government to limit its tyranny as well

 

[Freemason9]

Besides assigning blame, PC, what is your solution? Do you support democratic reform, or oppose it?

 

[konradv]

The USA is a Representative Democracy.

Ahh.. yet another in line with the moronic thinking of minds such as TDM

No.. we are not a 'representative democracy'.. we are not a democracy at all.. we do not have majority rule.. and rightfully so

We are a constitutional representative republic... where the constitution trumps the will of the majority if it is not in line with the constitution itself.. it is there, in fact, to protects us against the tyranny of the majority and is supposed to be there to limit the federal government to limit its tyranny as well

We do have majority rule, except in cases that conflict with the Constitution. That's why this needs to be in the Rubber Room. The people that fall for the "we're not a democracy" line, never seem to be able see beyond their own bias. When we elect representitives, majority rules. When we draft most laws, majority rules. But sometimes it's like talking to a wall.

 

[peach174]

The United States was never set up to be a democracy but a Republic. Even Ben Franklin knew it wouldn't last forever. It would eventually succumb to a corrupt people who would elect corrupt leaders.

Republics can be democracies. They are called democratic republics.

Why is every fucking conservative on the planet too ignorant to understand that simple concept?

Because Conservatives know that America is a Constitutional Republic.
Not a Democratic Republic.
There is a big difference between the two.
Democrats and many Republicans have turned us into a Democratic Republic.

 

[Edgetho]

The United States was never set up to be a democracy but a Republic. Even Ben Franklin knew it wouldn't last forever. It would eventually succumb to a corrupt people who would elect corrupt leaders.

Liar. The House of Representatives was set up as a democratically elected and run institution.

The 10th Amendment delegates all future powers and those not mentioned in the USC, to the States and The People. That's democracy.

The United States is a Republic. Moron.

Nowhere in the Constitution of The United States of America is the word 'democracy' mentioned.

Do you people go to College and major in 'Stupid' or does it come naturally?

I really wanna know.

 

[Darkwind]

The USA is a Representative Democracy.

Ahh.. yet another in line with the moronic thinking of minds such as TDM

No.. we are not a 'representative democracy'.. we are not a democracy at all.. we do not have majority rule.. and rightfully so

We are a constitutional representative republic... where the constitution trumps the will of the majority if it is not in line with the constitution itself.. it is there, in fact, to protects us against the tyranny of the majority and is supposed to be there to limit the federal government to limit its tyranny as well

We do have majority rule, except in cases that conflict with the Constitution. That's why this needs to be in the Rubber Room. The people that fall for the "we're not a democracy" line, never seem to be able see beyond their own bias. When we elect representitives, majority rules. When we draft most laws, majority rules. But sometimes it's like talking to a wall.

You confuse parliamentary procedure with the term democracy and have the gall to berate others?

 

[konradv]

The United States was never set up to be a democracy but a Republic. Even Ben Franklin knew it wouldn't last forever. It would eventually succumb to a corrupt people who would elect corrupt leaders.

Liar. The House of Representatives was set up as a democratically elected and run institution.

The 10th Amendment delegates all future powers and those not mentioned in the USC, to the States and The People. That's democracy.

The United States is a Republic. Moron.

Nowhere in the Constitution of The United States of America is the word 'democracy' mentioned.

Do you people go to College and major in 'Stupid' or does it come naturally?

I really wanna know.

Why would it have to say it anywhere? Democracy is a form of government where the majority rules and in most instances that's how it goes. Constitutional issues effecting that principle are the exception not the norm.

 

[TemplarKormac]

1. If you said 'the United States'.....read on.



2. The latest variation of totalitarianism is neither religious, nor even political: it is cultural. “Totalitarian democracy” is a term made famous by J. L. Talmon to refer to a system of government in which lawfully elected representatives maintain the integrity of a nation state whose citizens, while granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of the government.

a. Cultural totalitarianism is rule by the individual freed from all external authority or constraints, morality fully privatized with Judeo-Christian traditions under attack.

b. Moral and cultural relativism are predominant; no lifestyle is better than any other.

c. Paradoxically, relativist doctrine becomes absolutely unassailable: it brooks no challenges or deviations.





3. The cornerstone of Progressive doctrine is an administrative state freed from the constraints of the Constitution, in which bureaucrats carry out and produce regulations for every aspect of private and public life.

a. Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy The "iron law of oligarchy" states that all forms of organization, regardless of how democratic they may be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop oligarchic tendencies, thus making true democracy practically and theoretically impossible, especially in large groups and complex organizations. The relative structural fluidity in a small-scale democracy succumbs to "social viscosity" in a large-scale organization. According to the "iron law," democracy and large-scale organization are incompatible.
Iron law of oligarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



4. "Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter … in the wake of the NSA spying scandal criticized the American political system. “America has no functioning democracy,” Carter said Tuesday at a meeting of the “Atlantic Bridge” in Atlanta.
Many other high-level U.S. officials have also warned that the U.S. is no longer a democracy.

Carter also said that the moral authority of of the U.S. has sharply declined due to excessive restriction of civil rights.
"http://www.infowars.com/former-president-and-commander-in-chief-america-is-no-longer-a-democracy/




Holy sheeshkabob!!!

I can't recall the last time I agreed with 'Peanuts' Carter!!!

Was it yesterday or the day before that you were cheering the prospect of a Senator Liz Cheney?

Was it this decade or last when you came up with an argument?

 

[DiamondDave]

The USA is a Representative Democracy.

Ahh.. yet another in line with the moronic thinking of minds such as TDM

No.. we are not a 'representative democracy'.. we are not a democracy at all.. we do not have majority rule.. and rightfully so

We are a constitutional representative republic... where the constitution trumps the will of the majority if it is not in line with the constitution itself.. it is there, in fact, to protects us against the tyranny of the majority and is supposed to be there to limit the federal government to limit its tyranny as well

We do have majority rule, except in cases that conflict with the Constitution. That's why this needs to be in the Rubber Room. The people that fall for the "we're not a democracy" line, never seem to be able see beyond their own bias. When we elect representitives, majority rules. When we draft most laws, majority rules. But sometimes it's like talking to a wall.

No.. sorry.. having the law of the land governed by the constitution is not majority rule.. as a matter of fact, mandates, etc continually thwart the whole concept of majority rule

We only elect CERTAIN representatives by majority rule.. and that is ONLY because it is the mandate for that... there could be other ways mandated as legal and our system would still run... FOR WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY... we are a republic.. plain and simple

 

[Darkwind]

Liar. The House of Representatives was set up as a democratically elected and run institution.

The 10th Amendment delegates all future powers and those not mentioned in the USC, to the States and The People. That's democracy.

The United States is a Republic. Moron.

Nowhere in the Constitution of The United States of America is the word 'democracy' mentioned.

Do you people go to College and major in 'Stupid' or does it come naturally?

I really wanna know.

Why would it have to say it anywhere? Democracy is a form of government where the majority rules and in most instances that's how it goes. Constitutional issues effecting that principle are the exception not the norm.

Let me ask you something.

If the majority of the people in the US wanted a return to slavery, and a majority of the Representatives wanted a return to slavery, is it your contention that we HAVE to return to slavery because the majority wants it?

Or do we consult a little thing like the Constitution which overrides ANY majority will by stating that LAW is what we abide by, and that the Constitution is the supreme will of the land.

Further, Congress (You know, this allegedly majority elected body) cannot violate the Constitution and we ensure that though the use of the other two branches of government. A 'Checks and Balances' of power.

This is why the Roberts ruling on Obamacare was so egregious. He actually stated that the Judiciary is not there to act as a check against a corrupt Congress because people get what they elect. Total BS.

We are a Representative Republic formed and controlled by a Constitution.

 

[Edgetho]

Liar. The House of Representatives was set up as a democratically elected and run institution.

The 10th Amendment delegates all future powers and those not mentioned in the USC, to the States and The People. That's democracy.

The United States is a Republic. Moron.

Nowhere in the Constitution of The United States of America is the word 'democracy' mentioned.

Do you people go to College and major in 'Stupid' or does it come naturally?

I really wanna know.

Why would it have to say it anywhere? Democracy is a form of government where the majority rules and in most instances that's how it goes. Constitutional issues effecting that principle are the exception not the norm.

ETA:
Got tied up in my own words.

In this Country, the majority doesn't always rule. Ask ManBearPig about the 2000 election.

There can be a Poll clearly showing 80% of the American favor one thing over another and the Congress and the President can override our will at any time.

We can vote them out of Office, but it would be too late.

We are a Republic.
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If you use the word 'democracy' as a generic term, then you are correct. Our form of democracy (From the Greek, 'People' and 'government') then yes, we could be considered a 'FORM' of democracy.

But we're not a 'direct democracy'.

I don't have the time......

We're a Republic,

We don't sing the 'Battle Hymn of The democracy" Or swear allegiance to "The democracy for which it stands"....

We're a Republic. A form government by the people.

Not a democracy.

The Athenians tried it. And failed. The French tried a modified version. It failed -- Catastrophically.

I would say that many Parliamentary system, especially WITHOUT a Constitution like the UK, might be more closely compared to a 'democracy'. But they're a mess anyway

What makes us a Republic is our unique Constitution. It is unlike any other in the world. It is inviolate. It is permanent. It can not be changed except through a difficult and lengthy process.

The US Constitution is NOT the Law.

It is ABOVE the Law. It is what All of our Laws are based on.

We are a Republic.