Question for those that support sanctuary cities/states.

[sedwin]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.

 

[Humorme]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.

Is your real name Winston Smith? I remember how his story went.

 

[Wyatt earp]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

This is not about weed or driving 65 mph, this is about Sanctuary state's and cities harboring illegal rapist , murders, giving them drivers license , car insurance that effect all states ..

 

[Humorme]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

This is not about weed or driving 65 mph, this is about Sanctuary state's and cities harboring illegal rapist , murders, giving them drivers license , car insurance that effect all states ..

IF states were doing all of that, Trump would use the military to seize the capital in the offending state.

 

[sedwin]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

This is not about weed or driving 65 mph, this is about Sanctuary state's and cities harboring illegal rapist , murders, giving them drivers license , car insurance that effect all states ..

If this is the case then Trump/GOP should hire more ICE agents to enforce their Federal ICE laws. Telling state police they now have to do the jobs of ICE on the same pay is asinine. What next will you require California police to fight in Afghanistan instead of catching murderers and rapists? Perhaps the federal government will start saying YOU as a citizen of Texas (or where ever) should start collecting taxes for the IRS. It's a stupid argument. It's not the job of local police to do someone else job. They don't have the money or resources.

 

[Humorme]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

This is not about weed or driving 65 mph, this is about Sanctuary state's and cities harboring illegal rapist , murders, giving them drivers license , car insurance that effect all states ..

If this is the case then Trump/GOP should hire more ICE agents to enforce their Federal ICE laws. Telling state police they now have to do the jobs of ICE on the same pay is asinine. What next will you require California police to fight in Afghanistan instead of catching murderers and rapists? Perhaps the federal government will start saying YOU as a citizen of Texas (or where ever) should start collecting taxes for the IRS. It's a stupid argument. It's not the job of local police to do someone else job. They don't have the money or resources.

I know you made that comment about the IRS in a sarcastic tone, but the Republicans want to build the most massive POLICE STATE in human history. While they are advocating the evisceration of the Fourth Amendment and wasting money on a silly wall, while trying to force state and local governments to be unpaid feds, they aren't blowing smoke about a limited government.

They are just plain in love with a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.

They do, it's called an I-94 form.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

1) Local LEO do not round up illegals, yet as they come into contact with them via detaining them for a crime, they are supposed to run their info through their database and if they come back as illegally here/wanted by the feds, they are then supposed to hold them. Local LEO do not enforce federal immigration law.
2)See 1.
3)The only time an illegals info is ran is when they are detained, not when they are reporting a crime. The feds merely require the local LEO to notify the date the illegal would be released from their custody and to hold them for up to 72 hours as allowed by law so the feds can pick them up.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

This is not about weed or driving 65 mph, this is about Sanctuary state's and cities harboring illegal rapist , murders, giving them drivers license , car insurance that effect all states ..

If this is the case then Trump/GOP should hire more ICE agents to enforce their Federal ICE laws. Telling state police they now have to do the jobs of ICE on the same pay is asinine. What next will you require California police to fight in Afghanistan instead of catching murderers and rapists? Perhaps the federal government will start saying YOU as a citizen of Texas (or where ever) should start collecting taxes for the IRS. It's a stupid argument. It's not the job of local police to do someone else job. They don't have the money or resources.

Neither the feds nor the GOP has stated that local LEO are required to do ICE's job. The law states that the local LEO are required to provide the detained illegals information with them so that the feds can then pick them up and remove them.

 

[sedwin]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

1) Local LEO do not round up illegals, yet as they come into contact with them via detaining them for a crime, they are supposed to run their info through their database and if they come back as illegally here/wanted by the feds, they are then supposed to hold them. Local LEO do not enforce federal immigration law.
2)See 1.
3)The only time an illegals info is ran is when they are detained, not when they are reporting a crime. The feds merely require the local LEO to notify the date the illegal would be released from their custody and to hold them for up to 72 hours as allowed by law so the feds can pick them up.

If anyone is arrested for a crime their info goes into the system. If they are "Illegal" ICE is informed immediately. If you believe sanctuary city means that cops arrest an "Illegal" for murder or rape, then find out they are illegal and say never mind you can go free, then it is pointless to discuss this with you. It simply does not work that way. These cops and mayors have said we won't actively do ICE's job. We do not have the time or the money to do their work.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

1) Local LEO do not round up illegals, yet as they come into contact with them via detaining them for a crime, they are supposed to run their info through their database and if they come back as illegally here/wanted by the feds, they are then supposed to hold them. Local LEO do not enforce federal immigration law.
2)See 1.
3)The only time an illegals info is ran is when they are detained, not when they are reporting a crime. The feds merely require the local LEO to notify the date the illegal would be released from their custody and to hold them for up to 72 hours as allowed by law so the feds can pick them up.

If anyone is arrested for a crime their info goes into the system. If they are "Illegal" ICE is informed immediately. If you believe sanctuary city means that cops arrest an "Illegal" for murder or rape, then find out they are illegal and say never mind you can go free, then it is pointless to discuss this with you. It simply does not work that way. These cops and mayors have said we won't actively do ICE's job. We do not have the time or the money to do their work.

Sanctuary cities don't even want to report the illegal through the system. The feds nor the GOP have ever stated that local LEO are to go out and arrest illegals just because they are illegal. The issue being that LEO supervisors are telling their officers to not even inquire about a persons status. Your neighborhood cop may be allowed to arrest undocumented immigrants

If you’re an undocumented immigrant in the city of Sacramento, the local police are under orders not to inquire about your citizenship. The same goes in the unincorporated areas of Sacramento County patrolled by the Sacramento Sheriff’s Department.

This IS the issue.

 

[sedwin]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

1) Local LEO do not round up illegals, yet as they come into contact with them via detaining them for a crime, they are supposed to run their info through their database and if they come back as illegally here/wanted by the feds, they are then supposed to hold them. Local LEO do not enforce federal immigration law.
2)See 1.
3)The only time an illegals info is ran is when they are detained, not when they are reporting a crime. The feds merely require the local LEO to notify the date the illegal would be released from their custody and to hold them for up to 72 hours as allowed by law so the feds can pick them up.

If anyone is arrested for a crime their info goes into the system. If they are "Illegal" ICE is informed immediately. If you believe sanctuary city means that cops arrest an "Illegal" for murder or rape, then find out they are illegal and say never mind you can go free, then it is pointless to discuss this with you. It simply does not work that way. These cops and mayors have said we won't actively do ICE's job. We do not have the time or the money to do their work.

Sanctuary cities don't even want to report the illegal through the system. The feds nor the GOP have ever stated that local LEO are to go out and arrest illegals just because they are illegal. The issue being that LEO supervisors are telling their officers to not even inquire about a persons status. Your neighborhood cop may be allowed to arrest undocumented immigrants

If you’re an undocumented immigrant in the city of Sacramento, the local police are under orders not to inquire about your citizenship. The same goes in the unincorporated areas of Sacramento County patrolled by the Sacramento Sheriff’s Department.

This IS the issue.

Again PARTIAL truth. The cops do not ask for "your papers" if you report a crime, witness a crime or look like an illegal alien (whatever that might be), because, again, IT AINT THEIR JOB. If they arrest you, you go into the system and ICE comes for you after you serve your time for the crime. If you want people to ask people about their citizenship we have a police force to do that called ICE.

Perhaps the Republican Party, Fox News and Breitbart should open up their wallets and pay local police to do ICE's job. Or again maybe Trump will tell all conservatives while they are working as a lawyer (or whatever) they also will knock on doors collecting taxes for the IRS.

It's a pointless conversation at this point. You believe cops are letting rapists and murderers go free once they find out they are illegal. Ridiculous. Perhaps you think if you cross the street when the sign says "don't walk" they should check your personal finances to see if you have paid all your taxes? IT AINT THEIR JOB. Get it through your head. This is simply a ploy to fire up those who hate immigration and Democrats. Nothing else.

 

[Humorme]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

1) Local LEO do not round up illegals, yet as they come into contact with them via detaining them for a crime, they are supposed to run their info through their database and if they come back as illegally here/wanted by the feds, they are then supposed to hold them. Local LEO do not enforce federal immigration law.
2)See 1.
3)The only time an illegals info is ran is when they are detained, not when they are reporting a crime. The feds merely require the local LEO to notify the date the illegal would be released from their custody and to hold them for up to 72 hours as allowed by law so the feds can pick them up.

If anyone is arrested for a crime their info goes into the system. If they are "Illegal" ICE is informed immediately. If you believe sanctuary city means that cops arrest an "Illegal" for murder or rape, then find out they are illegal and say never mind you can go free, then it is pointless to discuss this with you. It simply does not work that way. These cops and mayors have said we won't actively do ICE's job. We do not have the time or the money to do their work.

You're right. People like to demagogue the issue. Rapists, murderers, etc. are held accountable for those crimes.

If, on the other hand, the only thing that a person has on the record is an accusation of being undocumented, the locals in San Francisco let it go. It's not that uncommon.

I have a relative (by marriage) that was picked up for having a joint on him. He was also on probation in that same county. The city charged him $50 for the joint and let him go. It wasn't even worth their time to hold him on the probation violation. This practice of Sanctuary cities is no big deal. It simply means the locals will not hold a person for being undocumented. It's not their job. Leave it to the anti-immigrant people and one day the IRS will be chasing you for a traffic violation.

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.

They do, it's called an I-94 form.

A simple fine in addition to the regular fee?

 

[Liquid Reigns]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

1) Local LEO do not round up illegals, yet as they come into contact with them via detaining them for a crime, they are supposed to run their info through their database and if they come back as illegally here/wanted by the feds, they are then supposed to hold them. Local LEO do not enforce federal immigration law.
2)See 1.
3)The only time an illegals info is ran is when they are detained, not when they are reporting a crime. The feds merely require the local LEO to notify the date the illegal would be released from their custody and to hold them for up to 72 hours as allowed by law so the feds can pick them up.

If anyone is arrested for a crime their info goes into the system. If they are "Illegal" ICE is informed immediately. If you believe sanctuary city means that cops arrest an "Illegal" for murder or rape, then find out they are illegal and say never mind you can go free, then it is pointless to discuss this with you. It simply does not work that way. These cops and mayors have said we won't actively do ICE's job. We do not have the time or the money to do their work.

Sanctuary cities don't even want to report the illegal through the system. The feds nor the GOP have ever stated that local LEO are to go out and arrest illegals just because they are illegal. The issue being that LEO supervisors are telling their officers to not even inquire about a persons status. Your neighborhood cop may be allowed to arrest undocumented immigrants

If you’re an undocumented immigrant in the city of Sacramento, the local police are under orders not to inquire about your citizenship. The same goes in the unincorporated areas of Sacramento County patrolled by the Sacramento Sheriff’s Department.

This IS the issue.

Again PARTIAL truth. The cops do not ask for "your papers" if you report a crime, witness a crime or look like an illegal alien (whatever that might be), because, again, IT AINT THEIR JOB. If they arrest you, you go into the system and ICE comes for you after you serve your time for the crime. If you want people to ask people about their citizenship we have a police force to do that called ICE.

Perhaps the Republican Party, Fox News and Breitbart should open up their wallets and pay local police to do ICE's job. Or again maybe Trump will tell all conservatives while they are working as a lawyer (or whatever) they also will knock on doors collecting taxes for the IRS.

It's a pointless conversation at this point. You believe cops are letting rapists and murderers go free once they find out they are illegal. Ridiculous. Perhaps you think if you cross the street when the sign says "don't walk" they should check your personal finances to see if you have paid all your taxes? IT AINT THEIR JOB. Get it through your head. This is simply a ploy to fire up those who hate immigration and Democrats. Nothing else.

That's right, you are giving PARTIAL truth. I never stated the cops ask for "your papers" if you report a crime, witness a crime or look like an illegal alien (whatever that might be), because, again, IT AINT THEIR JOB.

Many local LEO supervisors are telling their officers to not even run them through the system, thus allowing many low level criminals to be allowed to remain. Local LEO are required by law to determine the identity/status of the person they detain. That is their job.

I don't believe cops are letting rapists and murderers go free once they find out they are illegal, it is a documented fact that Progressive Democrats have done just that. Get that through your head . SMFH

 

[Liquid Reigns]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.

They do, it's called an I-94 form.

A simple fine in addition to the regular fee?

You sure like moving goal posts, don't you.

 

[sedwin]

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

1) Local LEO do not round up illegals, yet as they come into contact with them via detaining them for a crime, they are supposed to run their info through their database and if they come back as illegally here/wanted by the feds, they are then supposed to hold them. Local LEO do not enforce federal immigration law.
2)See 1.
3)The only time an illegals info is ran is when they are detained, not when they are reporting a crime. The feds merely require the local LEO to notify the date the illegal would be released from their custody and to hold them for up to 72 hours as allowed by law so the feds can pick them up.

If anyone is arrested for a crime their info goes into the system. If they are "Illegal" ICE is informed immediately. If you believe sanctuary city means that cops arrest an "Illegal" for murder or rape, then find out they are illegal and say never mind you can go free, then it is pointless to discuss this with you. It simply does not work that way. These cops and mayors have said we won't actively do ICE's job. We do not have the time or the money to do their work.

Sanctuary cities don't even want to report the illegal through the system. The feds nor the GOP have ever stated that local LEO are to go out and arrest illegals just because they are illegal. The issue being that LEO supervisors are telling their officers to not even inquire about a persons status. Your neighborhood cop may be allowed to arrest undocumented immigrants

If you’re an undocumented immigrant in the city of Sacramento, the local police are under orders not to inquire about your citizenship. The same goes in the unincorporated areas of Sacramento County patrolled by the Sacramento Sheriff’s Department.

This IS the issue.

Again PARTIAL truth. The cops do not ask for "your papers" if you report a crime, witness a crime or look like an illegal alien (whatever that might be), because, again, IT AINT THEIR JOB. If they arrest you, you go into the system and ICE comes for you after you serve your time for the crime. If you want people to ask people about their citizenship we have a police force to do that called ICE.

Perhaps the Republican Party, Fox News and Breitbart should open up their wallets and pay local police to do ICE's job. Or again maybe Trump will tell all conservatives while they are working as a lawyer (or whatever) they also will knock on doors collecting taxes for the IRS.

It's a pointless conversation at this point. You believe cops are letting rapists and murderers go free once they find out they are illegal. Ridiculous. Perhaps you think if you cross the street when the sign says "don't walk" they should check your personal finances to see if you have paid all your taxes? IT AINT THEIR JOB. Get it through your head. This is simply a ploy to fire up those who hate immigration and Democrats. Nothing else.

That's right, you are giving PARTIAL truth. I never stated the cops ask for "your papers" if you report a crime, witness a crime or look like an illegal alien (whatever that might be), because, again, IT AINT THEIR JOB.

Many local LEO supervisors are telling their officers to not even run them through the system, thus allowing many low level criminals to be allowed to remain. Local LEO are required by law to determine the identity/status of the person they detain. That is their job.

I don't believe cops are letting rapists and murderers go free once they find out they are illegal, it is a documented fact that Progressive Democrats have done just that. Get that through your head . SMFH

Simply false. It is a proven fact YOU BELIEVE that lie because Fox News and Russian bots told you so. Ask a cop or a mayor in those cities. They have said time and time again they do not have the resources to do ICE's job for them and THAT is an actual 'sanctuary city.' I'm done with you. I can't decide if you are a Russian bot, or you are simply one of the suckers they target.

Now I'll let you go because I see your unicorn is here to fly you back to make-believe land. When you get there say "hello" to Hannity for me, kid. lmao

 

[Liquid Reigns]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Question for you.
1: If immigration laws are federal and we have a law enforcement agency who enforces those laws why should overworked local police forces do the job of the feds?
2: If "states rights" apply to every federal law conservatives hate why do they not apply here?
3: If state/local police determine it is far safer for their citizens to allow people to report crimes without fear of being deported why should some federal employee tell them, "We will decide what your state will do?"

1) Local LEO do not round up illegals, yet as they come into contact with them via detaining them for a crime, they are supposed to run their info through their database and if they come back as illegally here/wanted by the feds, they are then supposed to hold them. Local LEO do not enforce federal immigration law.
2)See 1.
3)The only time an illegals info is ran is when they are detained, not when they are reporting a crime. The feds merely require the local LEO to notify the date the illegal would be released from their custody and to hold them for up to 72 hours as allowed by law so the feds can pick them up.

If anyone is arrested for a crime their info goes into the system. If they are "Illegal" ICE is informed immediately. If you believe sanctuary city means that cops arrest an "Illegal" for murder or rape, then find out they are illegal and say never mind you can go free, then it is pointless to discuss this with you. It simply does not work that way. These cops and mayors have said we won't actively do ICE's job. We do not have the time or the money to do their work.

You're right. People like to demagogue the issue. Rapists, murderers, etc. are held accountable for those crimes.

If, on the other hand, the only thing that a person has on the record is an accusation of being undocumented, the locals in San Francisco let it go. It's not that uncommon.

I have a relative (by marriage) that was picked up for having a joint on him. He was also on probation in that same county. The city charged him $50 for the joint and let him go. It wasn't even worth their time to hold him on the probation violation. This practice of Sanctuary cities is no big deal. It simply means the locals will not hold a person for being undocumented. It's not their job. Leave it to the anti-immigrant people and one day the IRS will be chasing you for a traffic violation.

Nobody has said that rapists and murderers aren't held accountable for their crimes. SMFH

The issue is if they are illegally here they are to inform DHS about their status and if DHS places a hold on that person, then they should hold that person for up to 72 hours as allowed by law for ICE to pick them up, the problem is sanctuary cities don't inform DHS nor do they hold the illegal as requested no matter how heinous the crime was.

I wonder why CA AG Becerra recently threatened business owners if they co-operate with ICE for illegals that may be employed by them. SMFH

 

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1) Local LEO do not round up illegals, yet as they come into contact with them via detaining them for a crime, they are supposed to run their info through their database and if they come back as illegally here/wanted by the feds, they are then supposed to hold them. Local LEO do not enforce federal immigration law.
2)See 1.
3)The only time an illegals info is ran is when they are detained, not when they are reporting a crime. The feds merely require the local LEO to notify the date the illegal would be released from their custody and to hold them for up to 72 hours as allowed by law so the feds can pick them up.

If anyone is arrested for a crime their info goes into the system. If they are "Illegal" ICE is informed immediately. If you believe sanctuary city means that cops arrest an "Illegal" for murder or rape, then find out they are illegal and say never mind you can go free, then it is pointless to discuss this with you. It simply does not work that way. These cops and mayors have said we won't actively do ICE's job. We do not have the time or the money to do their work.

Sanctuary cities don't even want to report the illegal through the system. The feds nor the GOP have ever stated that local LEO are to go out and arrest illegals just because they are illegal. The issue being that LEO supervisors are telling their officers to not even inquire about a persons status. Your neighborhood cop may be allowed to arrest undocumented immigrants

If you’re an undocumented immigrant in the city of Sacramento, the local police are under orders not to inquire about your citizenship. The same goes in the unincorporated areas of Sacramento County patrolled by the Sacramento Sheriff’s Department.

This IS the issue.

Again PARTIAL truth. The cops do not ask for "your papers" if you report a crime, witness a crime or look like an illegal alien (whatever that might be), because, again, IT AINT THEIR JOB. If they arrest you, you go into the system and ICE comes for you after you serve your time for the crime. If you want people to ask people about their citizenship we have a police force to do that called ICE.

Perhaps the Republican Party, Fox News and Breitbart should open up their wallets and pay local police to do ICE's job. Or again maybe Trump will tell all conservatives while they are working as a lawyer (or whatever) they also will knock on doors collecting taxes for the IRS.

It's a pointless conversation at this point. You believe cops are letting rapists and murderers go free once they find out they are illegal. Ridiculous. Perhaps you think if you cross the street when the sign says "don't walk" they should check your personal finances to see if you have paid all your taxes? IT AINT THEIR JOB. Get it through your head. This is simply a ploy to fire up those who hate immigration and Democrats. Nothing else.

That's right, you are giving PARTIAL truth. I never stated the cops ask for "your papers" if you report a crime, witness a crime or look like an illegal alien (whatever that might be), because, again, IT AINT THEIR JOB.

Many local LEO supervisors are telling their officers to not even run them through the system, thus allowing many low level criminals to be allowed to remain. Local LEO are required by law to determine the identity/status of the person they detain. That is their job.

I don't believe cops are letting rapists and murderers go free once they find out they are illegal, it is a documented fact that Progressive Democrats have done just that. Get that through your head . SMFH

Simply false. It is a proven fact YOU BELIEVE that lie because Fox News and Russian bots told you so. Ask a cop or a mayor in those cities. They have said time and time again they do not have the resources to do ICE's job for them and THAT is an actual 'sanctuary city.' I'm done with you. I can't decide if you are a Russian bot, or you are simply one of the suckers they target.

Now I'll let you go because I see your unicorn is here to fly you back to make-believe land. When you get there say "hello" to Hannity for me, kid. lmao

LMFAO Your ideological stupidity is hilarious. Nobody is asking them to do ICE's job, yet it is their job (local LEO) to determine the identity /status of the person they detain. SMFH