Zone1 Question for Christians.

[ding]

Hardly. I have not, for instance, gone into a Catholic church and demanded that they cease and desist in serving their communion their way. I merely note that I consider them to be wrong in their exclusionary practices. You really should look at the meanings of words before you write them.

Your objection has been duly noted. Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices. God did.

 

[hadit]

So she wants special treatment. Nevermind every Catholic has to meet the requirements. You want special treatment.

No, she simply wanted to celebrate with fellow believers who had no interest in allowing her to do so. She was naive enough to think that they would celebrate with her, but they did not want her. That's on them, not her.

As for Catholic communion being special, how can it not be special? We are literally devouring the body and blood of Christ. No one else makes that claim.

I can't help what you think happens when you take communion. Maybe you should take another look at it since you are, as you say, the ONLY ones to make that claim. At the very least, it makes you feel special, like you are superior to the rest of the Body.

 

[hadit]

Your objection has been duly noted. Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices. God did.

Yes, He did, and we will not turn away a Catholic who simply wants to celebrate communion with fellow believers. We would welcome them.

 

[ding]

No, she simply wanted to celebrate with fellow believers who had no interest in allowing her to do so. She was naive enough to think that they would celebrate with her, but they did not want her. That's on them, not her.

I can't help what you think happens when you take communion. Maybe you should take another look at it since you are, as you say, the ONLY ones to make that claim. At the very least, it makes you feel special, like you are superior to the rest of the Body.

So the church should change its standards for her?

And now you are telling me how to think as well?

What have you accomplished in your life that would make me want to rethink my beliefs and feelings? Who are you to tell anyone anything?

 

[ding]

Yes, He did, and we will not turn away a Catholic who simply wants to celebrate communion with fellow believers. We would welcome them.

When you want to eat the body of Christ and drink the blood of Christ, let me know and I'll get you the requirements that you need to meet just like every other Catholic had to meet.

 

[hadit]

So the church should change its standards for her?

No, the church should understand what they are doing when they exclude fellow believers from celebrating with them. It's quite okay, Catholics are welcome to join us at any time if they want to. Do you think the Catholic church implements all of Scripture totally faithfully and should not compromise to unify with other parts of the Body?

And now you are telling me how to think as well?

I'm telling you what your stance is doing to your image in the Body of Christ. You do you.

What have you accomplished in your life that would make me want to rethink my beliefs and feelings? Who are you to tell anyone anything?

I'm not, you need to read Scripture for yourself and take a hard look at what your church is telling you. I do that regularly and understand that man is fallible while God's word is authoritative. Let's put it this way, I have yet to find a denomination that faithfully implements ALL of Scripture equally. Inevitably, man emphasizes parts of it while ignoring or outright violating others. And yes, the Catholic church is guilty of that as well. If you cannot unify with someone from a different denomination without insisting that they jump through all of your hoops instead of focusing on their heart relationship with Christ, you're doing it wrong.

 

[hadit]

When you want to eat the body of Christ and drink the blood of Christ, let me know and I'll get you the requirements that you need to meet just like every other Catholic had to meet.

Or you could just come to our services and celebrate communions with fellow believers, since you reject them from yours. You know full well that you do not taste human flesh or blood when you take communion, which means you have to invent something along the lines of, "Well, it doesn't change into flesh and blood until you've swallowed it". Jesus' disciples ate the bread and drank the wine, and it's not recorded anywhere that they went, "What the heck, this is blood!".

IOW, it's a spiritual understanding, not a physical one.

 

[ding]

No, the church should understand what they are doing when they exclude fellow believers from celebrating with them. It's quite okay, Catholics are welcome to join us at any time if they want to. Do you think the Catholic church implements all of Scripture totally faithfully and should not compromise to unify with other parts of the Body?

I'm telling you what your stance is doing to your image in the Body of Christ. You do you.

I'm not, you need to read Scripture for yourself and take a hard look at what your church is telling you. I do that regularly and understand that man is fallible while God's word is authoritative. Let's put it this way, I have yet to find a denomination that faithfully implements ALL of Scripture equally. Inevitably, man emphasizes parts of it while ignoring or outright violating others. And yes, the Catholic church is guilty of that as well. If you cannot unify with someone from a different denomination without insisting that they jump through all of your hoops instead of focusing on their heart relationship with Christ, you're doing it wrong.

The Church knows full well what she is doing. Standards exist for logical reasons. All you have to do is meet the standard. The last I checked protestants left the Church of their own free will. Seems like you want to eat your cake and have it too.

 

[ding]

Or you could just come to our services and celebrate communions with fellow believers, since you reject them from yours. You know full well that you do not taste human flesh or blood when you take communion, which means you have to invent something along the lines of, "Well, it doesn't change into flesh and blood until you've swallowed it". Jesus' disciples ate the bread and drank the wine, and it's not recorded anywhere that they went, "What the heck, this is blood!".

IOW, it's a spiritual understanding, not a physical one.

You really must have an external locus of control to argue the Church is rejecting them instead of saying they failed to put the effort in to meet the requirements of communion. Are there any other failures of yours that you would like to blame me for? You sound rather entitled.

 

[hadit]

The Church knows full well what she is doing. Standards exist for logical reasons. All you have to do is meet the standard. The last I checked protestants left the Church of their own free will. Seems like you want to eat your cake and have it too.

God sets standards, man makes rules. I don't expect Christians 200 years from now to follow the same rules I followed as a Child in the Conservative Mennonite Conference, and many of those rules should have been changed a hundred or more years before that. The same standards, however, exist. We have freedom in Christ the same way a motorcyclist has the freedom of the open road. We can go anywhere the road goes, but veer off of it and all of a sudden, you're not going anywhere. IOW, I don't need Catholics setting up road blocks and detours on the straight and narrow way Christ spoke about.

 

[hadit]

You really must have an external locus of control to argue the Church is rejecting them instead of saying they failed to put the effort in to meet the requirements of communion. Are there any other failures of yours that you would like to blame me for? You sound rather entitled.

As I said, Catholics are welcome in our church at any time. I taught an elderly Catholic couple in my class. I did not tell them to leave because they prayed to Mary (which the wife said she did because she thought God would listen to Mary before her). I taught them the Word. And never fear, my wife has not attempted to celebrate communion with the exclusionary club since then.

 

[ding]

God sets standards, man makes rules. I don't expect Christians 200 years from now to follow the same rules I followed as a Child in the Conservative Mennonite Conference, and many of those rules should have been changed a hundred or more years before that. The same standards, however, exist. We have freedom in Christ the same way a motorcyclist has the freedom of the open road. We can go anywhere the road goes, but veer off of it and all of a sudden, you're not going anywhere. IOW, I don't need Catholics setting up road blocks and detours on the straight and narrow way Christ spoke about.

Standards exist for logical reasons. Logic doesn't change. And your attacking rival religions is not meeting the standard.

 

[ding]

As I said, Catholics are welcome in our church at any time. I taught an elderly Catholic couple in my class. I did not tell them to leave because they prayed to Mary (which the wife said she did because she thought God would listen to Mary before her). I taught them the Word. And never fear, my wife has not attempted to celebrate communion with the exclusionary club since then.

And you are welcome at any Catholic Church. And you are welcome to participate in any practice at any Catholic Church. AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT ANY OTHER CATHOLIC MUST MEET.

You want special treatment.

 

[hadit]

And you are welcome at any Catholic Church. And you are welcome to participate in any practice at any Catholic Church. AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT ANY OTHER CATHOLIC MUST MEET.

You want special treatment.

I don't plan on visiting Catholic churches, so there's no problem. If Catholics want to keep their communion separate and special just for them, they're free to do so. I'm also free to note it's not what Christ would want.

 

[hadit]

Standards exist for logical reasons. Logic doesn't change. And your attacking rival religions is not meeting the standard.

Strange word, "attacking". I note that you are attacking me, exercising your first amendment rights, I think you called it. You even admitted it made you look bad, yet you accuse me of violating God's standards? I'm not advocating that Catholics be excluded from anything, Catholics are excluding others. When it comes to unification, Catholics insist that anyone who wants to be united with them has to become Catholic and compromise their beliefs. Catholics change nothing.

 

[Meriweather]

God sets standards, man makes rules. I don't expect Christians 200 years from now to follow the same rules I followed as a Child in the Conservative Mennonite Conference, and many of those rules should have been changed a hundred or more years before that. The same standards, however, exist. We have freedom in Christ the same way a motorcyclist has the freedom of the open road. We can go anywhere the road goes, but veer off of it and all of a sudden, you're not going anywhere. IOW, I don't need Catholics setting up road blocks and detours on the straight and narrow way Christ spoke about.

God sets standards which is why His assemblies (churches) have expectations. Catholics have no road blocks. There are expectations as God set standards. Name any assembly, organization, school, sport that does not have expectations of those attending.

The same is true for people who declare they have heard from God, or what Bulldog is calling "prophets." People should have great expectations before following a self-proclaimed prophet.

 

[hadit]

God sets standards which is why His assemblies (churches) have expectations. Catholics have no road blocks. There are expectations as God set standards. Name any assembly, organization, school, sport that does not have expectations of those attending.

And those expectations are implementations of God's standards. They can change while the standards do not.

The same is true for people who declare they have heard from God, or what Bulldog is calling "prophets." People should have great expectations before following a self-proclaimed prophet.

I agree with that.

 

[Meriweather]

And those expectations are implementations of God's standards. They can change while the standards do not.

I agree with that.

The belief that we receive and consume the actual body and blood of Christ has not changed; the expectation that those who receive the Eucharist proclaim this belief has not changed.

In our family, when we broke bread together at meals, we did this in memory of Christ. (I've heard other families did the same.) At Mass we consumed the actual body and blood of Christ, and there were expectations of us as Christians to be fulfilled before we went up to receive communion.

 

[hadit]

The belief that we receive and consume the actual body and blood of Christ has not changed; the expectation that those who receive the Eucharist proclaim this belief has not changed.

In our family, when we broke bread together at meals, we did this in memory of Christ. (I've heard other families did the same.) At Mass we consumed the actual body and blood of Christ, and there were expectations of us as Christians to be fulfilled before we went up to receive communion.

As Catholics, you receive a piece of bread and some wine. You claim you eat human flesh and drink blood, yet no one reports such an experience. At what point does this miracle occur that you're not even aware of it happening?

 

[ding]

As Catholics, you receive a piece of bread and some wine. You claim you eat human flesh and drink blood, yet no one reports such an experience. At what point does this miracle occur that you're not even aware of it happening?

Do you know what St. Paul said about that? He said they weren't just eating bread and drinking wine and that they needed to stop acting like they were just eating bread and drinking wine.