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Quartet trying to dissuade Palestinians UN bid: Blair

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Tony Blair, the special envoy representing the diplomatic quartet seeking Middle East peace, said Sunday that efforts were under way to dissuade the Palestinians from seeking recognition this week at the United Nations.

"What we will be looking for over the next few days is a way of putting together something that allows their claims and legitimate aspirations for statehood to be recognized, whilst actually renewing the only thing that's going to produce a state -- which is a negotiation directly between the two sides," Blair told ABC television.

Quartet trying to dissuade Palestinians UN bid: Blair - Yahoo! News

Not really. They are just serving up the same old shit on a different platter.
 

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This Pallie drama over a PallyLand state will have been for naught as the UN Security Council will reject PallyLand and the Pallies themselves are fully aware of their inability to assume the responsibilities of statehood. They have no viable economy, a basic requirement for statehood, they are engaged in a civil war and they are a terrorist base. Moreover, PallyLand would lose at least $600 billion in US aid and probably other sources of aid would dry up. Most of the Pallie economy is based on income from NGOs and foreign aid.

All in al, not a promising foundation for PallyLand, thus, the Pallies are in store for a big disappointment.

Pallies are maybe the most fucked up, dysfunctional people in the history of the world.
 

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Blair has NO CREDIBILITY,he like the Administration are mere LAP-DOGS for ISRAEL...enough SAID methinks,I note the Jewish Stoned is blathering more rubbish as he normally does:cuckoo::eusa_liar::cuckoo:just saying:cool:
Tony Blair, the special envoy representing the diplomatic quartet seeking Middle East peace, said Sunday that efforts were under way to dissuade the Palestinians from seeking recognition this week at the United Nations.

"What we will be looking for over the next few days is a way of putting together something that allows their claims and legitimate aspirations for statehood to be recognized, whilst actually renewing the only thing that's going to produce a state -- which is a negotiation directly between the two sides," Blair told ABC television.

Quartet trying to dissuade Palestinians UN bid: Blair - Yahoo! News

Not really. They are just serving up the same old shit on a different platter.
 
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Blair has NO CREDIBILITY,he like the Administration are mere LAP-DOGS for ISRAEL

Former President of Spain Jose Maria Aznar: If Israel Goes Down, We All Go Down.
We cannot forget that Israel is the West’s best ally in a turbulent region. The state of Israel was created by a decision of the UN. Its legitimacy, therefore, should not be in question. Israel is a nation with deeply rooted democratic institutions. It is a dynamic and open society that has repeatedly excelled in culture, science and technology. Owing to its roots, history, and values, Israel is a fully fledged Western nation. Indeed, it is a normal Western nation, but one confronted by abnormal circumstances.

What binds us, however, is our unyielding support for Israel’s right to exist and to defend itself. For Western countries to side with those who question Israel’s legitimacy, for them to play games in international bodies with Israel’s vital security issues, for them to appease those who oppose Western values rather than robustly to stand up in defense of those values, is not only a grave moral mistake, but a strategic error of the first magnitude.

Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots. If the Jewish element of those roots is upturned and Israel is lost, then we are lost too. Whether we like it or not, our fate is inextricably intertwined. The real threats to regional stability, however, are to be found in the rise of a radical Islamism which sees Israel’s destruction as the fulfillment of its religious destiny and, simultaneously in the case of Iran, as an expression of its ambitions for regional hegemony. Both phenomena are threats that affect not only Israel, but also the wider West and the world at large.

Israel is our first line of defense in a turbulent region that is constantly at risk of descending into chaos; a region vital to our energy security owing to our overdependence on Middle Eastern oil; a region that forms the front line in the fight against extremism. If Israel goes down, we all go down. To defend Israel’s right to exist in peace, within secure borders, requires a degree of moral and strategic clarity that too often seems to have disappeared in Europe. The United States shows worrying signs of heading in the same direction.

The West is going through a period of confusion over the shape of the world’s future. To a great extent, this confusion is caused by a kind of masochistic self-doubt over our own identity; by the rule of political correctness; by a multiculturalism that forces us to our knees before others; and by a secularism which, irony of ironies, blinds us even when we are confronted by jihadis promoting the most fanatical incarnation of their faith. To abandon Israel to its fate, at this moment of all moments, would merely serve to illustrate how far we have sunk and how inexorable our decline now appears.

This cannot be allowed to happen. Motivated by the need to rebuild our own Western values, expressing deep concern about the wave of aggression against Israel, and mindful that Israel’s strength is our strength and Israel’s weakness is our weakness, I have decided to promote a new Friends of Israel initiative with the help of some prominent people, including David Trimble, Andrew Roberts, John Bolton, Alejandro Toledo (the former President of Peru), Marcello Pera (philosopher and former President of the Italian Senate), Fiamma Nirenstein (the Italian author and politician), the financier Robert Agostinelli and the Catholic intellectual George Weigel.

What binds us, however, is our unyielding support for Israel’s right to exist and to defend itself. For Western countries to side with those who question Israel’s legitimacy, for them to play games in international bodies with Israel’s vital security issues, for them to appease those who oppose Western values rather than robustly to stand up in defense of those values, is not only a grave moral mistake, but a strategic error of the first magnitude. Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots. If the Jewish element of those roots is upturned and Israel is lost, then we are lost too. Whether we like it or not, our fate is inextricably intertwined.
Republicans Abroad

If Israel goes down, we all go down. If Israel is a part of the Western world, if the Western world is eliminated from the Middle East, it is a problem for all of us not only for ISrael. It would be a great victory for the enemies of democracy, for the enemies of freedom."

What Israel and the Jewish People have meant historically to Western democracy: "I cannot explain Europe, I cannot explain my country, I cannot explain myself without referring to this heritage they share with us the same values: Freedom, democracy, tolerance and pluralism."

"Trying to isolate Israel is not a good policy. And to demonize Israel is not a good policy."
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23kvw85tWs]Aznar on his "Friends of Israel" initiative - YouTube[/ame]
 

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I'll cut and paste the same reply I gave earlier


Former President of Spain Jose Maria Aznar: If Israel Goes Down, We All Go Down.
I think he was referring to The "We" who organized the Illegal war in Iraq,for israel,
 

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Mere Repitition Here Stoned,YES we get it First TIME thanks:clap2::clap2::cool:
Blair has NO CREDIBILITY,he like the Administration are mere LAP-DOGS for ISRAEL

Former President of Spain Jose Maria Aznar: If Israel Goes Down, We All Go Down.
We cannot forget that Israel is the West’s best ally in a turbulent region. The state of Israel was created by a decision of the UN. Its legitimacy, therefore, should not be in question. Israel is a nation with deeply rooted democratic institutions. It is a dynamic and open society that has repeatedly excelled in culture, science and technology. Owing to its roots, history, and values, Israel is a fully fledged Western nation. Indeed, it is a normal Western nation, but one confronted by abnormal circumstances.

What binds us, however, is our unyielding support for Israel’s right to exist and to defend itself. For Western countries to side with those who question Israel’s legitimacy, for them to play games in international bodies with Israel’s vital security issues, for them to appease those who oppose Western values rather than robustly to stand up in defense of those values, is not only a grave moral mistake, but a strategic error of the first magnitude.

Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots. If the Jewish element of those roots is upturned and Israel is lost, then we are lost too. Whether we like it or not, our fate is inextricably intertwined. The real threats to regional stability, however, are to be found in the rise of a radical Islamism which sees Israel’s destruction as the fulfillment of its religious destiny and, simultaneously in the case of Iran, as an expression of its ambitions for regional hegemony. Both phenomena are threats that affect not only Israel, but also the wider West and the world at large.

Israel is our first line of defense in a turbulent region that is constantly at risk of descending into chaos; a region vital to our energy security owing to our overdependence on Middle Eastern oil; a region that forms the front line in the fight against extremism. If Israel goes down, we all go down. To defend Israel’s right to exist in peace, within secure borders, requires a degree of moral and strategic clarity that too often seems to have disappeared in Europe. The United States shows worrying signs of heading in the same direction.

The West is going through a period of confusion over the shape of the world’s future. To a great extent, this confusion is caused by a kind of masochistic self-doubt over our own identity; by the rule of political correctness; by a multiculturalism that forces us to our knees before others; and by a secularism which, irony of ironies, blinds us even when we are confronted by jihadis promoting the most fanatical incarnation of their faith. To abandon Israel to its fate, at this moment of all moments, would merely serve to illustrate how far we have sunk and how inexorable our decline now appears.

This cannot be allowed to happen. Motivated by the need to rebuild our own Western values, expressing deep concern about the wave of aggression against Israel, and mindful that Israel’s strength is our strength and Israel’s weakness is our weakness, I have decided to promote a new Friends of Israel initiative with the help of some prominent people, including David Trimble, Andrew Roberts, John Bolton, Alejandro Toledo (the former President of Peru), Marcello Pera (philosopher and former President of the Italian Senate), Fiamma Nirenstein (the Italian author and politician), the financier Robert Agostinelli and the Catholic intellectual George Weigel.

What binds us, however, is our unyielding support for Israel’s right to exist and to defend itself. For Western countries to side with those who question Israel’s legitimacy, for them to play games in international bodies with Israel’s vital security issues, for them to appease those who oppose Western values rather than robustly to stand up in defense of those values, is not only a grave moral mistake, but a strategic error of the first magnitude. Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots. If the Jewish element of those roots is upturned and Israel is lost, then we are lost too. Whether we like it or not, our fate is inextricably intertwined.
Republicans Abroad

If Israel goes down, we all go down. If Israel is a part of the Western world, if the Western world is eliminated from the Middle East, it is a problem for all of us not only for ISrael. It would be a great victory for the enemies of democracy, for the enemies of freedom."

What Israel and the Jewish People have meant historically to Western democracy: "I cannot explain Europe, I cannot explain my country, I cannot explain myself without referring to this heritage they share with us the same values: Freedom, democracy, tolerance and pluralism."

"Trying to isolate Israel is not a good policy. And to demonize Israel is not a good policy."
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23kvw85tWs]Aznar on his "Friends of Israel" initiative - YouTube[/ame]
 
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Mere Repitition Here Stoned,YES we get it First TIME thanks:clap2::clap2::cool:
Blair has NO CREDIBILITY,he like the Administration are mere LAP-DOGS for ISRAEL

Former President of Spain Jose Maria Aznar: If Israel Goes Down, We All Go Down.


If Israel goes down, we all go down. If Israel is a part of the Western world, if the Western world is eliminated from the Middle East, it is a problem for all of us not only for ISrael. It would be a great victory for the enemies of democracy, for the enemies of freedom."

What Israel and the Jewish People have meant historically to Western democracy: "I cannot explain Europe, I cannot explain my country, I cannot explain myself without referring to this heritage they share with us the same values: Freedom, democracy, tolerance and pluralism."

"Trying to isolate Israel is not a good policy. And to demonize Israel is not a good policy."
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23kvw85tWs]Aznar on his "Friends of Israel" initiative - YouTube[/ame]

Posting this again, Stoner?

What a pant load. It is all based on false premise.
 
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I'll cut and paste the same reply I gave earlier


Former President of Spain Jose Maria Aznar: If Israel Goes Down, We All Go Down.
I think he was referring to The "We" who organized the Illegal war in Iraq,for israel,

Israel is a project of the worlds criminal class.

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What difference does it make if they declare now? I don't see any except it might give their side some hope for a better future. Is that what Blair?Israelis/... want to squash? Why?
 
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What difference does it make if they declare now? I don't see any except it might give their side some hope for a better future. Is that what Blair?Israelis/... want to squash? Why?

Good question. Israel has always denied the existence of Palestinians and Palestine. this would give the Palestinians more legitimacy and a bigger voice on the world stage.

The Palestinians are already getting that. They do not have to give up what Abbas is proposing to get that. That is why there is so much opposition from the Palestinians.
 

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This Pallie drama over a PallyLand state will have been for naught as the UN Security Council will reject PallyLand and the Pallies themselves are fully aware of their inability to assume the responsibilities of statehood. They have no viable economy, a basic requirement for statehood, they are engaged in a civil war and they are a terrorist base. Moreover, PallyLand would lose at least $600 billion in US aid and probably other sources of aid would dry up. Most of the Pallie economy is based on income from NGOs and foreign aid.

All in al, not a promising foundation for PallyLand, thus, the Pallies are in store for a big disappointment.

Pallies are maybe the most fucked up, dysfunctional people in the history of the world.

The United States is the leading provider of bilateral economic and development assistance to the Palestinians, having programmed $3.4 billion through USAID since 1994

USAID WEST BANK AND GAZA
 

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This Pallie drama over a PallyLand state will have been for naught as the UN Security Council will reject PallyLand and the Pallies themselves are fully aware of their inability to assume the responsibilities of statehood. They have no viable economy, a basic requirement for statehood, they are engaged in a civil war and they are a terrorist base. Moreover, PallyLand would lose at least $600 billion in US aid and probably other sources of aid would dry up. Most of the Pallie economy is based on income from NGOs and foreign aid.

All in al, not a promising foundation for PallyLand, thus, the Pallies are in store for a big disappointment.

Pallies are maybe the most fucked up, dysfunctional people in the history of the world.

The United States is the leading provider of bilateral economic and development assistance to the Palestinians, having programmed $3.4 billion through USAID since 1994

USAID WEST BANK AND GAZA

Palestinians celebrate 9/11
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k]Palestinians celebrating the fall of the twin towers on 911 - YouTube[/ame]

Palestinians condemned the killing of bin Laden their "holy warrior"
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVTTbmN1aRI]Palestinians condemn killing of 'holy warrior' bin Laden - YouTube[/ame]

Palestinians call for death of all Americans and Jews
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7rls9eRKyo]Islam: Oh Allah - Kill all Jews and Americans! - YouTube[/ame]
 
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This Pallie drama over a PallyLand state will have been for naught as the UN Security Council will reject PallyLand and the Pallies themselves are fully aware of their inability to assume the responsibilities of statehood. They have no viable economy, a basic requirement for statehood, they are engaged in a civil war and they are a terrorist base. Moreover, PallyLand would lose at least $600 billion in US aid and probably other sources of aid would dry up. Most of the Pallie economy is based on income from NGOs and foreign aid.

All in al, not a promising foundation for PallyLand, thus, the Pallies are in store for a big disappointment.

Pallies are maybe the most fucked up, dysfunctional people in the history of the world.

The United States is the leading provider of bilateral economic and development assistance to the Palestinians, having programmed $3.4 billion through USAID since 1994

USAID WEST BANK AND GAZA

Yes there is aid to Abbas but who is getting it and where is it going.

What they say they are doing is not evident on the ground.
 

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Palestinians celebrate 9/11
Some Israeli's also celebrated
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw]Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11 - YouTube[/ame]


Some even said it was good
Asked tonight what the attack meant for relations between the United States and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister, replied, "It's very good." Then he edited himself: "Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy."
The Israelis - Spilled Blood Is Seen as Bond That Draws 2 Nations Closer - NYTimes.com
 
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I am still waiting for them to offer the Palestinians anything new.
 
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I am still waiting for them to offer the Palestinians anything new.

Jews were Palestinians during the British Mandate until Israeli statehood. They already have a state. No worries.:clap2:

A "Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".

Before the establishment of the State of Israel, the meaning of the word "Palestinian" didn't discriminate on ethnic grounds, but rather referred to anything associated with the region. The local newspaper, founded in 1932 by Gershon Agron was called The Palestine Post. In 1950, its name was changed to The Jerusalem Post.

In 1923, Pinhas Rutenberg founded the Palestine Electric Company, Ltd. (later to become the Israel Electric Corporation, Ltd.) There was a [Jewish] Palestine Symphony Orchestra, and in World War II, the British assembled a Jewish Brigade to fight the Axis Powers that was known as the Palestine regiment.

Since the establishment of Israel, its citizens are called Israelis, while the term Palestinians usually refers to the Palestinian Arabs.

Definitions of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Who are your so-called Palestinians? No one seems to know.:lol:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJjm5K07V0]Who are the Palestinians? - YouTube[/ame]
 
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I am still waiting for them to offer the Palestinians anything new.

Jews were Palestinians during the British Mandate until Israeli statehood. They already have a state. No worries.:clap2:

A "Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".

Before the establishment of the State of Israel, the meaning of the word "Palestinian" didn't discriminate on ethnic grounds, but rather referred to anything associated with the region. The local newspaper, founded in 1932 by Gershon Agron was called The Palestine Post. In 1950, its name was changed to The Jerusalem Post.

In 1923, Pinhas Rutenberg founded the Palestine Electric Company, Ltd. (later to become the Israel Electric Corporation, Ltd.) There was a [Jewish] Palestine Symphony Orchestra, and in World War II, the British assembled a Jewish Brigade to fight the Axis Powers that was known as the Palestine regiment.

Since the establishment of Israel, its citizens are called Israelis, while the term Palestinians usually refers to the Palestinian Arabs.

Definitions of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Who are your so-called Palestinians? No one seems to know.:lol:

Who are the Palestinians? - YouTube

A "Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".

Duh!
 

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I am still waiting for them to offer the Palestinians anything new.

Jews were Palestinians during the British Mandate until Israeli statehood. They already have a state. No worries.:clap2:



Who are your so-called Palestinians? No one seems to know.:lol:

Who are the Palestinians? - YouTube

A "Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".

Duh!

Why do Palestinians identify by a word invented by Europeans with Hebrew roots?
 
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Jews were Palestinians during the British Mandate until Israeli statehood. They already have a state. No worries.:clap2:



Who are your so-called Palestinians? No one seems to know.:lol:

Who are the Palestinians? - YouTube

A "Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".

Duh!

Why do Palestinians identify by a word invented by Europeans with Hebrew roots?

Quickest way to shut up a Pestilinian is to ask them to actually explain who they are. :clap2:
 

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