Pyramids are impossible: Grok AI

[Hypatia415]

I did not say that. I said such stories will boost tourism.

I very much doubt that the oddballs who believe aliens constructed these ancient Egyptian monuments make up a significant percentage of tourism to Egypt.

But however, since we do exist, how can you rule out the existence of other human like civilizations out there?

We cannot rule it in either. Short answer, if and it is a very big if, similar advanced life-forms do exist the distances are too great to ever make contact.

The so-called Goldilocks Effect for life on earth has been suggested by some scientists to be a one-off fluke and it is argued that the chances another solar system having the same conditions by which to create life to the level we see here is infinitesimal to the point of being impossible. John Gribbin's Alone in the Universe: Why Our Planet is Unique deals with that.

I also recall the late Stephen Hawking's comments on our coming into contact with a more advanced life form/civilisation. He likened it to the peoples of the Americas and the white man. That did not go overly well for the indigenous populations.

However, I enjoyed Carl Sagan's novel Contact and the film based on it and I also enjoyed the Star Trek comedy spoof Galaxy Quest.

 

[Bleipriester]

I very much doubt that the oddballs who believe aliens constructed these ancient Egyptian monuments make up a significant percentage of tourism to Egypt.

I meant something different. These stories add to the attraction.

We cannot rule it in either. Short answer, if and it is a very big if, similar advanced life-forms do exist the distances are too great to ever make contact.

I consider this nonsense. Imagine there is another civilization of human beings out there. What if they had millions or billions of years to develop their spacecrafts, then anything is possible. They can just visit us without our knowledge.

The so-called Goldilocks Effect for life on earth has been suggested by some scientists to be a one-off fluke and it is argued that the chances another solar system having the same conditions by which to create life to the level we see here is infinitesimal to the point of being impossible. John Gribbin's Alone in the Universe: Why Our Planet is Unique deals with that.

I also recall the late Stephen Hawking's comments on our coming into contact with a more advanced life form/civilisation. He likened it to the peoples of the Americas and the white man. That did not go overly well for the indigenous populations.

However, I enjoyed Carl Sagan's novel Contact and the film based on it and I also enjoyed the Star Trek comedy spoof Galaxy Quest.

I cannot agree. In documentations the scientists argue that the vast dimensions of the universe renders it very very likely that there are many other inhabitable places.

 

[Hypatia415]

I meant something different. These stories add to the attraction.

Perhaps for a very small minority.

I consider this nonsense. Imagine there is another civilization of human beings out there.

Why assume another life form will be human?

What if they had millions or billions of years to develop their spacecrafts, then anything is possible. They can just visit us without our knowledge.

Why would they?

I cannot agree. In documentations the scientists argue that the vast dimensions of the universe renders it very very likely that there are many other inhabitable places.

I do not entirely agree with Gribbin's comments given the sheer size of the universe, but you cannot ignore the fact that he may be correct.

 

[Bleipriester]

Perhaps for a very small minority.

Maybe a little bit more than that.

Why assume another life form will be human?

Same conditions = same forms of life. If evolution turned them into little green dwarfs with large brains, then so be it. Or they are just slaves.

Why would they?

If they are human like they act similar. They just find a planet of humans and explore it...

I do not entirely agree with Gribbin's comments given the sheer size of the universe, but you cannot ignore the fact that he may be correct.

He may be correct. The sheer size is this gigantic, we almost can rule it out.

 

[there4eyeM]

First, the idea that such structures were made or aided by "extraterrestrials" is vastly more unlikely than that a culture with thousands of years of existence had achieved technical abilities we simply don't understand. Second, what would motivate such beings to be so selective in their interventions? Why show their hand in this and not intervene more meaningfully for a greater part of humanity?
Simply assuming a very far-fetched explanation due to incomprehension of a civilization so far in the past doesn't make rational sense. While it may be intellectually conceivable, it is also intellectually verging on laughable.

 

[Hypatia415]

Maybe a little bit more than that.

On what evidence from Egyptian tourism numbers?

Same conditions = same forms of life. If evolution turned them into little green dwarfs with large brains, then so be it. Or they are just slaves.

Very unlikely the exact same conditions would prevail and even if they did, there is no guarantee hominids would necessarily survive and evolve.

If they are human like they act similar. They just find a planet of humans and explore it...

Why this fixation on other life forms being similar to Homo sapiens?

He may be correct. The sheer size is this gigantic, we almost can rule it out.

Short answer: We will never know.

 

[Bleipriester]

On what evidence from Egyptian tourism numbers?

It is just my estimation. The Pyramids hold dark secrets and they get the creeps.

Very unlikely the exact same conditions would prevail and even if they did, there is no guarantee hominids would necessarily survive and evolve.

No. Every inhabitable zone holds the same elements and conditions. And as for your guarantee point, that is true. But the large number of potential inhabitable planets makes it very likely that an advanced ancient civilization is out there.

Why this fixation on other life forms being similar to Homo sapiens?

I told you already. Lets try another expression: The nature plays by the same rules everywhere. So if there is intelligent life, it is most likely equal or very similar to us.

Short answer: We will never know.

Maybe we will.

 

[Hypatia415]

It is just my estimation. The Pyramids hold dark secrets and they get the creeps.

The pyramids hardly hold "dark secrets". They are merely structures designed as huge mausolea.

No. Every inhabitable zone holds the same elements and conditions.

In the universe? What evidence are you citing?

And as for your guarantee point, that is true. But the large number of potential inhabitable planets makes it very likely that an advanced ancient civilization is out there.

We do not know if there are any potential inhabitable planets out there and nor can we assume that advanced life forms have developed. Your speculations are within the realms of science fiction.

The nature plays by the same rules everywhere.

While natural laws appear to hold across the universe the same cannot be claimed for life forms.

So if there is intelligent life, it is most likely equal or very similar to us.

Why assume all these supposed life forms would be carbon based?

Maybe we will.

I very much doubt it.

 

[Bleipriester]

The pyramids hardly hold "dark secrets". They are merely structures designed as huge mausolea.

I meant as a feature.

In the universe? What evidence are you citing?

The inhabitable zone is the evidence.

We do not know if there are any potential inhabitable planets out there and nor can we assume that advanced life forms have developed. Your speculations are within the realms of science fiction.

Sure. But you still ignore that we are here. We do exist. This is very unlikely. The framework of fantastic, super-unlikely coincidences that lead to our existence can happen anywhere.

While natural laws appear to hold across the universe the same cannot be claimed for life forms.

Why assume all these supposed life forms would be carbon based?

If nature develops these non-carbon forms of life that exist independently from physical conditions why don´t we see any of them here on earth?
I guess that rather forms of life exist outside the material world. The builder of the universe. They throw a corn of sand and it develops itself into a universe, providing the conditions for intelligent life to thrive. More so, every time they do it, our earth develops exactly the same way with the same continents emerging, ect. This is so genius, we hardly can even imagine.

I very much doubt it.

Maybe it is a good thing if we never meet other civilization.

 

[Hypatia415]

A church crypt might be considered by some to hold "dark secrets". The superstitious are always with us.

The inhabitable zone is the evidence.

Earth-sized planets in wide orbits around Sun-like stars are much harder to detect and even those stars that have planets that constitute the "Goldilocks Effect" for liquid water water to exist on them are light years away

Sure. But you still ignore that we are here. We do exist. This is very unlikely.

Possibly pure chance.

The framework of fantastic, super-unlikely coincidences that lead to our existence can happen anywhere.

Not necessarily. I too hold the view that given the sheer scale of the universe it is possible (not probable) that other life forms have existed or do exist but I do not assume that those life forms are advanced.

If nature develops these non-carbon forms of life that exist independently from physical conditions why don´t we see any of them here on earth?

? All life on earth is carbon based.

I guess that rather forms of life exist outside the material world. The builder of the universe.

What builder? Are you bringing in some religious Creation myth?

They throw a corn of sand and it develops itself into a universe, providing the conditions for intelligent life to thrive. More so, every time they do it, our earth develops exactly the same way with the same continents emerging, ect. This is so genius, we hardly can even imagine.

Nah. I think the funniest depiction is the very end of the first Men in Black movie where the screen pans back and back to some alien who knows what playing a version of marbles.

 

[Bleipriester]

Earth-sized planets in wide orbits around Sun-like stars are much harder to detect and even those stars that have planets that constitute the "Goldilocks Effect" for liquid water water to exist on them are light years away

There are still trillions of Galaxies.

Possibly pure chance.

I don´t think so.

Not necessarily. I too hold the view that given the sheer scale of the universe it is possible (not probable) that other life forms have existed or do exist but I do not assume that those life forms are advanced.

Most likely not. But some probably. Even humans could be stuck in a circle of harsh societal rules that hamper progress.

? All life on earth is carbon based.

Where is the law that says so?

What builder? Are you bringing in some religious Creation myth?

No. I am bringing in Hawkings assessment that the smallest particles in universe do not need a reason to come into existence. This is the only exception from the principle of cause and effect. It means that all matter came into existence without a cause. This rule on the other hand cannot be taken as given. It has a cause. Somebody set it. The one who stored all the energy in this tiny sand corn.

Nah. I think the funniest depiction is the very end of the first Men in Black movie where the screen pans back and back to some alien who knows what playing a version of marbles.

Who knows...

 

[Stryder50]

But what became of them? Who is to say they did not leave earth and return to their home planet?

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Their original "Home Planet" was destroyed in a super nova hundreds of thousands of years ago. Their "New Home" planet is now in this Solar System and also here on Earth.

See Sumerian Anunnaki, and;
The Geminga Scenario

 

[Stryder50]

They and other ancient civilization were more sophisticated than what most today believe is the most obvious answer.

Not to the point of achieving results beyond what our technologies are barely able to do.
At least not those exclusively native to Earth only.

 

[Hypatia415]

Not to the point of achieving results beyond what our technologies are barely able to do.
At least not those exclusively native to Earth only.

How do you explain the building of Stonehenge? We know its construction took place over hundreds of years but how do you imagine the bluestones and the altar stone arrived there?

Do you believe they were transported in from Wales and Scotland by spacecraft?

 

[Hypatia415]

There are still trillions of Galaxies.

Possibly even more.
Thinking is fine, evidence is another matter.

Most likely not. But some probably. Even humans could be stuck in a circle of harsh societal rules that hamper progress.

What relevance doe human societal rules have on the laws of physics?

Where is the law that says so?

https://www.acs.org/pressroom/reactions/library/why-is-carbon-the-key-to-life-on-earth-anyway.html

One element is the backbone of all forms of life we’ve ever discovered on Earth: carbon. Number six on the periodic table is, to the best of our knowledge, impossible to live without. In this episode of Reactions, discover what makes carbon so exceptional, its nearly infinite capabilities, and potential intergalactic implications.

The site has several articles on a variety of different topics, including this one, with a nod to Pink Floyd, Shine on you crazy diamond: why humans are carbon-based lifeforms

No. I am bringing in Hawkings assessment that the smallest particles in universe do not need a reason to come into existence. This is the only exception from the principle of cause and effect. It means that all matter came into existence without a cause. This rule on the other hand cannot be taken as given. It has a cause. Somebody set it. The one who stored all the energy in this tiny sand corn.

Your above comments are contradictory. If you accept Hawking's assessment then no cause is necessary and no "one" is required to "set it".

 

[Bleipriester]

Possibly even more.

Thinking is fine, evidence is another matter.

We lack the means.

What relevance doe human societal rules have on the laws of physics?

Just remember the Church´s war on science.

https://www.acs.org/pressroom/reactions/library/why-is-carbon-the-key-to-life-on-earth-anyway.html

One element is the backbone of all forms of life we’ve ever discovered on Earth: carbon. Number six on the periodic table is, to the best of our knowledge, impossible to live without. In this episode of Reactions, discover what makes carbon so exceptional, its nearly infinite capabilities, and potential intergalactic implications.

The site has several articles on a variety of different topics, including this one, with a nod to Pink Floyd, Shine on you crazy diamond: why humans are carbon-based lifeforms

You came up with non-carbon creatures. Now you rule them out. Ok, fine.

Your above comments are contradictory. If you accept Hawking's assessment then no cause is necessary and no "one" is required to "set it".

Why? I accept there could be life that is not located within the universe. Life that provided itself with a material world.

 

[Hypatia415]

We lack the means.

And will do for the foreseeable future.

Just remember the Church´s war on science.

Why?

You came up with non-carbon creatures. Now you rule them out. Ok, fine.

There are no non-carbon life forms on this planet.

Why? I accept there could be life that is not located within the universe.

So where is it then? Fairyland?

 

[Bleipriester]

And will do for the foreseeable future.

Yes.

Why?

Scientific explanations endangered the rule of the Pope. Science, and thus progress, as been oppressed because of this. A society can be stuck in such a situation forever.

There are no non-carbon life forms on this planet.

Yes, that was my argument. I concluded that it is very unlikely that they exist anywhere, if they do not exist here.

So where is it then? Fairyland?

Whatever.

 

[Hypatia415]

Scientific explanations endangered the rule of the Pope. Science, and thus progress, as been oppressed because of this. A society can be stuck in such a situation forever.

Oh I see but how is that relevant to science today?

Yes, that was my argument. I concluded that it is very unlikely that they exist anywhere, if they do not exist here.

Your prose was rather unclear, at least to me.

 

[Bleipriester]

Oh I see but how is that relevant to science today?

We discussed the probability of extraterrestrial life that is technologically advanced. I actually confirmed your view.