Pyramids are impossible: Grok AI

[Bleipriester]

You do know that wind and sand can cause erosion also?

The argument is the erosions look like arisen from water.

 

[Stryder50]

So why the need for an anti-gravity device?

Well it is Neolithic in origin.

Anti-gravity device would have reduced labor needs and sped up construction time. If such was available and if humans weren't the only ones involved.
I'm amused that some thing a growing tower of logs is how to lift and move the lintels.

Supposedly the Giza pyramids are the same age or older based upon erosion of the stones.

 

[Stryder50]

So why the need for an anti-gravity device?

Well it is Neolithic in origin.

I'm waiting for a real time demonstration to prove the platform lifting and shoving the capstones in place.
I'm guessing you never did any physical labor so likely have no experience lifting and moving any bulky object of fifty pound weight, or greater.

 

[Stryder50]

You do know that wind and sand can cause erosion also?

Horizontal, not vertical.

 

[Stryder50]

The argument is the erosions look like arisen from water.

Specifically water downpour, raining from the sky.

 

[Stryder50]

There were no dams in ancient Egypt.

See my earlier reply on that.

From ancient sources Egypt appears to have been the largest of the grain growing areas in that region for Rome and hence its importance as a province.

Are you really so insecure that you need to make empty boasts?

I didn't say there were dams in "ancient" Egypt. That's another inference of yours.
Dams are a twentieth century construct that limits/controls extent of "annual flooding".

Why do you make claims without documentation to support ?
Why do you have arrogance to think you have only real answers ?
Why are you afraid to provide some backing to prove your credibility ?

 

[Stryder50]

Which structures in particular are you referencing?

No. It may have been natural erosion in the stone prior to quarrying. It has also been noted that the limestone in Giza is of poorer quality thus more susceptible to erosion.

Of course there various lunatic fringe theories that contend the sphinx is 50,000 years old which puts it in the upper palaeolithic!

Sphinx and the Giza pyramids.
Another of your "it may have been"s.
There is the lunatic fringe theory that it was the old 'heave -ho' pushing and pulling up ramps that would have to be twice the size of the pyramids and also as high, yet no evidence of such on the ground around the pyramids. Not to mention the near logistics impossibilities.

Humans having been in existence 200-300,000 years rather anomalous that only the dozen thousand or less years of recent time is when they leave trace of more than a primitive existence with no trace of civilization ...

 

[Votto]

I'm waiting for a real time demonstration to prove the platform lifting and shoving the capstones in place.
I'm guessing you never did any physical labor so likely have no experience lifting and moving any bulky object of fifty pound weight, or greater.

I am probably going to get laughed at for saying this, but there are ancient historical traditions of "giants" all across the globe. In addition, these so called "giants" were said to be technologically advanced as well, passing down knowledge to the inhabitants.

Most of this is dismissed by people as silly hyperbole and myth, but any ancient writings that have survived are invaluable to piecing together the past. It just seems so strange how eerily similar they are all across the globe is all.

Prehistorical architecture all across the globe seems to have the similarity of superior architecture as well as moving massive blocks that no one has really ever matched. They it all just stopped while their technology vanished with them.

World Wide cataclysm is the only explanation I can think of what caused this.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I thought the video clip might amuse. And as for Machu Picchu (fifteenth century CE), just like Stonehenge and various Egyptian structures that were built millennia earlier it was done by human effort and ingenuity.

Grok calculated that is would take 10,000 quarrymen 17 years

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The ancient alien idiot's want us to believe that a species with the technology to travel trillions of miles across the vacuum of space came to Earth to build shit out of stone.

 

[Votto]

The ancient alien idiot's want us to believe that a species with the technology to travel trillions of miles across the vacuum of space came to Earth to build shit out of stone.

That is stupid. I gravitate toward the Biblical account, i.e., a Creator seeded human life on earth, and then there was a rebellion of sorts within that creation as "angelic" beings, or if you will aliens, decided to wage war against that Creator using human beings a pawns, much like children are often used in a divorce.

That makes much more sense.

 

[Hypatia415]

Grok calculated that is would take 10,000 quarrymen 17 years

The figure for workers is highly dubious as we have archaeological evidence of the workers' in situ "villages" while these structures were being built. Ancient Egypt even has the first recorded workers' strike.

As a matter of interest, do you know how long Europe's cathedrals could take to build?

 

[Hypatia415]

Sphinx and the Giza pyramids.
Another of your "it may have been"s.
There is the lunatic fringe theory that it was the old 'heave -ho' pushing and pulling up ramps that would have to be twice the size of the pyramids and also as high, yet no evidence of such on the ground around the pyramids. Not to mention the near logistics impossibilities.

Evidently the logistics were not impossible for humans because we see the structures still standing today. And your comments above ignore other techniques that have been suggested as being employed by the ancient Egyptians.

For you it seems more feasible to ascribe some alien power to creating these, and other structures, around the world. That is lunatic fringe.

Humans having been in existence 200-300,000 years rather anomalous that only the dozen thousand or less years of recent time is when they leave trace of more than a primitive existence with no trace of civilization ...

You have previously accused me of being condescending but really what you write indicates that you are not overly conversant with either ancient history or pre-history despite your vaunted boast.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The figure for workers is dubious. However, do you know how long Europe's cathedrals could take to build?

Agreed.

I might have overestimated the depth to which it had to be leveled, so take half of that number. But then how do you account for the subterranean infrastructure?

Sagrada Familia took 144 years

 

[Hypatia415]

Agreed.

But then how do you account for the subterranean infrastructure?

Human effort and ingenuity. You do know the ancient Egyptians had surveyors and engineers?

Sagrada Familia took 144 years

I was thinking more of the great cathedrals from the eleventh to fourteenth centuries.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Human effort and ingenuity. You do know the ancient Egyptians had surveyors and engineers?

I was thinking more of the great cathedrals from the eleventh to fourteenth centuries.

Yes like Chartes, Notre Dame Kolner Dam. I think they each took about 30, maybe 50 years. The Templars funded the construction plus provided the engineering.

Chartes was built over a previously existing structure

What's your point?

 

[Hypatia415]

Yes like Chartes, Notre Dame Kolner Dam. I think they each took about 30, maybe 50 years. The Templars funded the construction plus provided the engineering.

Chartes was built over a previously existing structure

What's your point?

My point is that these ancient structures began once the individual became Pharoah and they took time.

However, the nonsense I have read from some contributors about alien technology and/or long lost civilisations is nothing but what has been termed Pyramidiocy .

 

[CrusaderFrank]

My point is that these ancient structures began once the individual became Pharoah and they took time.

However, the nonsense I have read from some contributors about alien technology and/or long lost civilisations is nothing but what has been termed Pyramidiocy .

You insist on remaining uninformed and un-educatable. This is why discussing the topic with you is pointless and can have only one outcome

You pretend to understand site preparation, then dismiss the entire topic because you're sure Zari Hawass is telling you the truth

Me, personally, I have no stake in this and I find it predictable and laughable

"To level a \(350\text{ m} \times 350\text{ m}\) site with a \(3\text{ m}\) average grade differential, the ancient Egyptians would have had to remove \(183,750\text{ m}^3\) of bedrock, which would take approximately \(10.1\text{ years}\) using a dedicated workforce of \(5,000\text{ quarrymen}\)."

 

[Hypatia415]

You insist on remaining uninformed and un-educatable. This is why discussing the topic with you is pointless and can have only one outcome

You pretend to understand site preparation, then dismiss the entire topic because you're sure Zari Hawass is telling you the truth

Why is Mr Hawass being mentioned? I have never referred to him.

What we do know is that generations of Egyptologists and other academics have enabled us to have a remarkably clear account of how the Great Pyramid of Giza came to be built

Stone was cut from quarries and hauled. The archaeological remains of the complex in which the workers were housed has been located and most agree that some form of ramp was used in building the higher structures. It is generally recognised that the construction took some twenty years, possibly employing up to 20,000 people, of whom there were likely some 4,000 labourers.