What AI isn't

[EdwinAMartin]

It's just a better search engine, is all, not real intelligence. The AI search results are usually just summaries and usually also include the links to its sources, so the summaries should include those as well. Nothing wrong with that per se.

 

[Bleipriester]

All decisions are made by people, the people who designed the software, chose the rules, selected the data, the decision to use it during warfare, those are the actual and only decisions, all decisions are made by humans.

You still refuse to understand.

 

[Bleipriester]

an actor might simulate performing an operation, but he isn't actually performing an operation.

AI does. The way it does it is actually not relevant for the result.

 

[Churchill]

You still refuse to understand.

No, I refuse to agree with you.

 

[Bleipriester]

No, I refuse to agree with you.

That is the same most of the time

 

[Churchill]

That is the same most of the time

Several people have made an effort to explain stuff to you, you're not interested in learning, so that's the end of my interaction with you.

Have a nice day.

 

[Bleipriester]

Several people have made an effort to explain stuff to you, you're not interested in learning, so that's the end of my interaction with you.

Have a nice day.

Yeah, you too.

 

[rosends]

AI does. The way it does it is actually not relevant for the result.

but though the AI gives the appearance of decision making, it is really simply coming to an algorithmic conclusion.

 

[Bleipriester]

but though the AI gives the appearance of decision making, it is really simply coming to an algorithmic conclusion.

I never disputed that. I said from beginning that it is just software with no life in it. But this AI is this complex that it will be installed in a human body shaped robot. The final result might be - one day - that there will be "synths", robots that cannot be distinguished from actual humans. Still dead machines they are but you won´t know.
What I am trying to say is that there is no point in belittling this software. They even get IQ ratings. The currently smartest LLMs are GPT 5.4 Pro (Vision) and GPT 5.4 Thinking (consider this name: thinking) with an IQ of 130 each.

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Also look up the history there to see how quick the AI develops. It will soon be smarter than any human.

 

[rosends]

I never disputed that. I said from beginning that it is just software with no life in it. But this AI is this complex that it will be installed in a human body shaped robot. The final result might be - one day - that there will be "synths", robots that cannot be distinguished from actual humans. Still dead machines they are but you won´t know.

this, I agree with and I fear that that day, the moment when a person can't tell the difference, is fast approaching. This however, speaks just as much to the laziness and stupidity of the average person as it does about the complexity of the android's programming

What I am trying to say is that there is no point in belittling this software. They even get IQ ratings. The currently smartest LLMs are GPT 5.4 Pro (Vision) and GPT 5.4 Thinking (consider this name: thinking) with an IQ of 130 each.

Tracking AI

Tracking AI is a cutting-edge application that unveils the IQ Scores of frontier artificial intelligence models. Explore and analyze the IQ Scores of AIs with our intuitive platform, designed to foster transparency in the world of artificial intelligence. Stay informed and uncover the IQs...

trackingai.org

If we can agree that there is no actual "reasoning" going on, just the appearance of reasoning then I'm more than happy to belittle the people who rely on AI as if it is a reasoning being.

 

[Bleipriester]

this, I agree with and I fear that that day, the moment when a person can't tell the difference, is fast approaching. This however, speaks just as much to the laziness and stupidity of the average person as it does about the complexity of the android's programming

If we can agree that there is no actual "reasoning" going on, just the appearance of reasoning then I'm more than happy to belittle the people who rely on AI as if it is a reasoning being.

We do not agree. It is reasoning. Just not the way humans do but with similar results. Those who need AI to create a text should not create a text in the first place. But AI can way more. It will be applied everywhere.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

They are polluted with bias, but not intentional.
What the AI does is search hundreds of sources in that one second it is saying "thinking".
Problem - is the sources.
It will report something that is not true, as true because it was reported as being true - by very biased media.

 

[Flopper]

The biggest problem with AI isn't it's the programing but rather its lack of correct information. It's good at giving you factual information that you can find easily yourself. However, asking how to questions of a technical nature is often a waste of time. I find Chat GPT is pretty good at answering. CoPilot is not. Recently I asked CoPilot to help me do some setup tasks with my new TV. It of course said happy to help. It instantly gives me a procedure and the first step is wrong. Copilot, thanks me profusely and explain how this helps him determine exactly the right steps. It then gives another procedure. It is wrong. It thanks me and promise the following will work. It doesn't. It can go on for hours like this as long as you keep playing the game. Apparently the developers never programed in the concept of honesty, nor the answer no one likes, "Sorry but I DON'T KNOW." However, it you want a friendly AI, that praises everything you say and do, then working with Copilot will be an enjoyable experience even though it may be of no help.

 

[Flopper]

I had a strange problem with my computer. I have two M1 internal storage devices that are exactly the same except except one is a Samsung device and one is Crucial Device. I ask ChatGPT how to determine which device is the current boot drive, (C It came back instantly with the correct procedure. The difference between this request and one I made to CoPilot is that this procedure is well documented. The procedure I asked of Copilot for is not.

 

[egp320i]

I might, someday, become a fan of AI. For that to happen, though, we would have to actually have some real AI. As of yet, we do not though I am hearing of strides taken in that direction.

What we have now is a potent mix of a Mark Twain impersonator who has read all of the man's writings, public and private, and he also has access to the unfiltered and unmediated internet. He might be able to pass as Mark Twain but he hasn't the brain with which to think not like Twain.

But what do I keep seeing online? People post "answers" or posts on platforms which are cut and paste jobs from AI, and the purpose seems to be to make an authoritative statement as bolstered by AI. Except that there is no intelligence there so the fact that the engine used statistics to build sentences that were consistent with earlier sentences is useless. I see these "executive summaries" which have, baked in, errors, misunderstandings and biased content. Using wikipedia at least promises the illusion of fact checking, but slapping 2 pages of astute political insight generated by an LLM provides nothing in the way of sources.

So I am doubly annoyed -- first that people should think that these pastiches are at all intelligence and second that anyone would generate one and use it as a res ipsa loquitur kind of authority and rely on it.

It's fun but disturbing? that co-pilot remembers my conversations and can actually tell me them if something is relevant and I state it again

I am guilty of spending up to an hour talking with co-pilot like a friend who is just really freaking smart

medical question, answers to vintage stuff I find, tv show episode clarity, damn near everything

you ask, it answers, it remembers past conversation if you later repeat it

no human mind could ever know all of this instantly, that is why it's just damn handy

In walmart and need and oil filter for your truck but don't want to look it up, co-pilot gives you the model
number of M1, Fram, etc instantly..........they do the work so you don't need to

sounds good to me

 

[egp320i]

I had a strange problem with my computer. I have two M1 internal storage devices that are exactly the same except except one is a Samsung device and one is Crucial Device. I ask ChatGPT how to determine which device is the current boot drive, (C It came back instantly with the correct procedure. The difference between this request and one I made to CoPilot is that this procedure is well documented. The procedure I asked of Copilot for is not.

sounds like a trick question........go into bios and see what drive is first boot, done

unplug one drive and see if windows boots.......nope, it's the other drive, done

don't think chatgpt knows your exact computer configuration, smart but not that smart

building computers since 2000, learned a few tricks

where co-pilot comes in handy, fixing windows issues with command prompt I forgot the exact wording

this has bailed me out many times, switches I have not used in over a decade

sure I could have found this deep diving on a tech forum for hours, co-pilot gave me the info in 3 seconds

it did all the work, did not even ask for a thanks.......
It's like instant tech support but not some guy in India who can't speak English