Putin's war hurts him in an unexpected way

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For those of us who consider Putin & Russia to be a malevolent actor on the world stage:

Putin's stupid gambit in Ukraine is not only isolating Russia for decades to come, -- I love that -- but it is also rapidly changing world trade dynamics in a positive way for the United States of America. While Putin thought (HA) that he had Europe over an oil barrel when he invaded, the world quickly adapted, America jumped in, and he has screwed himself in the energy department, too.


“Europe’s energy divorce from Russia is nearly complete,” said Andrew Lipow, president of oil industry and market consulting firm Lipow Oil Associates. “We’re seeing a permanent change as far as how Europe gets its energy in the future. One result is the United States and European energy policy are going to be more closely intertwined.”

Europe’s reaction against its largest energy supplier’s attempt to remake the map has sent shockwaves through global markets. These were felt most acutely on the continent, where electricity and natural gas prices surged as much as 15-fold, prompting governments to spend more than $800 billion to ease consumers’ financial burdens.

We (particularly political ideologues) just don't seem to learn that you can't make predictions, assumptions and extrapolations in a complex world. No one saw this transformation coming this quickly, and the United States of America has led the way. As we should.

I love it.

We still have to deal with the country who is actually a bigger adversary, China, but no doubt they have taken note of what America leading the world again looks like. The USA doesn't exist in weak isolation, and it's nice to see that we know that again.

:)
 
For those of us who consider Putin & Russia to be a malevolent actor on the world stage:

Putin's stupid gambit in Ukraine is not only isolating Russia for decades to come, -- I love that -- but it is also rapidly changing world trade dynamics in a positive way for the United States of America. While Putin thought (HA) that he had Europe over an oil barrel when he invaded, the world quickly adapted, America jumped in, and he has screwed himself in the energy department, too.


“Europe’s energy divorce from Russia is nearly complete,” said Andrew Lipow, president of oil industry and market consulting firm Lipow Oil Associates. “We’re seeing a permanent change as far as how Europe gets its energy in the future. One result is the United States and European energy policy are going to be more closely intertwined.”

Europe’s reaction against its largest energy supplier’s attempt to remake the map has sent shockwaves through global markets. These were felt most acutely on the continent, where electricity and natural gas prices surged as much as 15-fold, prompting governments to spend more than $800 billion to ease consumers’ financial burdens.

We (particularly political ideologues) just don't seem to learn that you can't make predictions, assumptions and extrapolations in a complex world. No one saw this transformation coming this quickly, and the United States of America has led the way. As we should.

I love it.

We still have to deal with the country who is actually a bigger adversary, China, but no doubt they have taken note of what America leading the world again looks like. The USA doesn't exist in weak isolation, and it's nice to see that we know that again.

:)
What part of "electricity and natural gas prices surged as much as 15-fold" did you miss? :dunno:

We are also seeing the petrodollar being undermined.

How is that a good thing?
 
The problem is thst the U.N vote passed 141-6 or something, but, that is an increase of two additional supporters for Russia, while 32 abstained from the vote, including China and India. America bent on its demands for human rights when engaging with nations on a large scale econimically decades ago. It hasn't held countries like Canada to human right/civil liberty standard etc. Thus, it is losing the all important moral, Goodwill high ground.
 
What part of "electricity and natural gas prices surged as much as 15-fold" did you miss? :dunno:

We are also seeing the petrodollar being undermined.

How is that a good thing?
OP is not the brightest Xmas tree decoration and even if you keep it simple will not really follow the narrative .

Who is going to be the first to tell her that various discoverers have found places which they have named , China , India , south America etc .

Break it gently .
 
What part of "electricity and natural gas prices surged as much as 15-fold" did you miss? :dunno:

We are also seeing the petrodollar being undermined.

How is that a good thing?

Progress comes with a price. Prices will come down once all the growing pains are worked through

Do you not see it as a good thing that the US has largely replaced Russia as the energy supplier to Europe?
 
For those of us who consider Putin & Russia to be a malevolent actor on the world stage:

Putin's stupid gambit in Ukraine is not only isolating Russia for decades to come, -- I love that -- but it is also rapidly changing world trade dynamics in a positive way for the United States of America. While Putin thought (HA) that he had Europe over an oil barrel when he invaded, the world quickly adapted, America jumped in, and he has screwed himself in the energy department, too.


“Europe’s energy divorce from Russia is nearly complete,” said Andrew Lipow, president of oil industry and market consulting firm Lipow Oil Associates. “We’re seeing a permanent change as far as how Europe gets its energy in the future. One result is the United States and European energy policy are going to be more closely intertwined.”

Europe’s reaction against its largest energy supplier’s attempt to remake the map has sent shockwaves through global markets. These were felt most acutely on the continent, where electricity and natural gas prices surged as much as 15-fold, prompting governments to spend more than $800 billion to ease consumers’ financial burdens.

We (particularly political ideologues) just don't seem to learn that you can't make predictions, assumptions and extrapolations in a complex world. No one saw this transformation coming this quickly, and the United States of America has led the way. As we should.

I love it.

We still have to deal with the country who is actually a bigger adversary, China, but no doubt they have taken note of what America leading the world again looks like. The USA doesn't exist in weak isolation, and it's nice to see that we know that again.

:)
I thought Biden wanted to get rid of "fossil fuels" or was that just for Americans?
 
Progress comes with a price. Prices will come down once all the growing pains are worked through

Do you not see it as a good thing that the US has largely replaced Russia as the energy supplier to Europe?

Maybe. Depends on where the oil the Russians are producing ends up going. If it's India and that draws them closer to Russia then Im not sure that's net win for the US. If we increased our production and that replaced the Russian production I would feel better about it but the reality is who's buying from whom just got moved around didnt it? Ultimately the world needs the oil that Russia produces and someone will buy it.
 
Maybe. Depends on where the oil the Russians are producing ends up going. If it's India and that draws them closer to Russia then Im not sure that's net win for the US. If we increased our production and that replaced the Russian production I would feel better about it but the reality is who's buying from whom just got moved around didnt it? Ultimately the world needs the oil that Russia produces and someone will buy it.
This is my thought as well. Unless the whole world comes together to cut Russia's oil trade off completely—which it so far has not—they will be able find someone to buy their oil.
 
This is my thought as well. Unless the whole world comes together to cut Russia's oil trade off completely—which it so far has not—they will be able find someone to buy their oil.
There’s really no way to do that. The world can’t ramp up production to account for that amount of crude and LNG.
 
For those of us who consider Putin & Russia to be a malevolent actor on the world stage:

Putin's stupid gambit in Ukraine is not only isolating Russia for decades to come, -- I love that -- but it is also rapidly changing world trade dynamics in a positive way for the United States of America. While Putin thought (HA) that he had Europe over an oil barrel when he invaded, the world quickly adapted, America jumped in, and he has screwed himself in the energy department, too.


“Europe’s energy divorce from Russia is nearly complete,” said Andrew Lipow, president of oil industry and market consulting firm Lipow Oil Associates. “We’re seeing a permanent change as far as how Europe gets its energy in the future. One result is the United States and European energy policy are going to be more closely intertwined.”

Europe’s reaction against its largest energy supplier’s attempt to remake the map has sent shockwaves through global markets. These were felt most acutely on the continent, where electricity and natural gas prices surged as much as 15-fold, prompting governments to spend more than $800 billion to ease consumers’ financial burdens.

We (particularly political ideologues) just don't seem to learn that you can't make predictions, assumptions and extrapolations in a complex world. No one saw this transformation coming this quickly, and the United States of America has led the way. As we should.

I love it.

We still have to deal with the country who is actually a bigger adversary, China, but no doubt they have taken note of what America leading the world again looks like. The USA doesn't exist in weak isolation, and it's nice to see that we know that again.

:)
Russia is not Isolated at all.....everything they have been denied from the West is being supplied two fold from China and more efficiently too since in only needs to come in by Rail. This is why the Ruble has gained recently ..... in less than 20 years DC will be paying a form of Tribute to Beijing.

JO
 
For those of us who consider Putin & Russia to be a malevolent actor on the world stage:

Putin's stupid gambit in Ukraine is not only isolating Russia for decades to come, -- I love that -- but it is also rapidly changing world trade dynamics in a positive way for the United States of America. While Putin thought (HA) that he had Europe over an oil barrel when he invaded, the world quickly adapted, America jumped in, and he has screwed himself in the energy department, too.


“Europe’s energy divorce from Russia is nearly complete,” said Andrew Lipow, president of oil industry and market consulting firm Lipow Oil Associates. “We’re seeing a permanent change as far as how Europe gets its energy in the future. One result is the United States and European energy policy are going to be more closely intertwined.”

Europe’s reaction against its largest energy supplier’s attempt to remake the map has sent shockwaves through global markets. These were felt most acutely on the continent, where electricity and natural gas prices surged as much as 15-fold, prompting governments to spend more than $800 billion to ease consumers’ financial burdens.

We (particularly political ideologues) just don't seem to learn that you can't make predictions, assumptions and extrapolations in a complex world. No one saw this transformation coming this quickly, and the United States of America has led the way. As we should.

I love it.

We still have to deal with the country who is actually a bigger adversary, China, but no doubt they have taken note of what America leading the world again looks like. The USA doesn't exist in weak isolation, and it's nice to see that we know that again.

:)
 
For those of us who consider Putin & Russia to be a malevolent actor on the world stage:

Putin's stupid gambit in Ukraine is not only isolating Russia for decades to come, -- I love that -- but it is also rapidly changing world trade dynamics in a positive way for the United States of America. While Putin thought (HA) that he had Europe over an oil barrel when he invaded, the world quickly adapted, America jumped in, and he has screwed himself in the energy department, too.


“Europe’s energy divorce from Russia is nearly complete,” said Andrew Lipow, president of oil industry and market consulting firm Lipow Oil Associates. “We’re seeing a permanent change as far as how Europe gets its energy in the future. One result is the United States and European energy policy are going to be more closely intertwined.”

Europe’s reaction against its largest energy supplier’s attempt to remake the map has sent shockwaves through global markets. These were felt most acutely on the continent, where electricity and natural gas prices surged as much as 15-fold, prompting governments to spend more than $800 billion to ease consumers’ financial burdens.

We (particularly political ideologues) just don't seem to learn that you can't make predictions, assumptions and extrapolations in a complex world. No one saw this transformation coming this quickly, and the United States of America has led the way. As we should.

I love it.

We still have to deal with the country who is actually a bigger adversary, China, but no doubt they have taken note of what America leading the world again looks like. The USA doesn't exist in weak isolation, and it's nice to see that we know that again.

:)Russia's ruble hit its strongest level in 7 years despite massive sanctions. Here's why
 
For those of us who consider Putin & Russia to be a malevolent actor on the world stage:

Putin's stupid gambit in Ukraine is not only isolating Russia for decades to come, -- I love that -- but it is also rapidly changing world trade dynamics in a positive way for the United States of America. While Putin thought (HA) that he had Europe over an oil barrel when he invaded, the world quickly adapted, America jumped in, and he has screwed himself in the energy department, too.


“Europe’s energy divorce from Russia is nearly complete,” said Andrew Lipow, president of oil industry and market consulting firm Lipow Oil Associates. “We’re seeing a permanent change as far as how Europe gets its energy in the future. One result is the United States and European energy policy are going to be more closely intertwined.”

Europe’s reaction against its largest energy supplier’s attempt to remake the map has sent shockwaves through global markets. These were felt most acutely on the continent, where electricity and natural gas prices surged as much as 15-fold, prompting governments to spend more than $800 billion to ease consumers’ financial burdens.

We (particularly political ideologues) just don't seem to learn that you can't make predictions, assumptions and extrapolations in a complex world. No one saw this transformation coming this quickly, and the United States of America has led the way. As we should.

I love it.

We still have to deal with the country who is actually a bigger adversary, China, but no doubt they have taken note of what America leading the world again looks like. The USA doesn't exist in weak isolation, and it's nice to see that we know that again.

:)

^^^The DemoKKKrat warmongers won't stop until we stop them.
 

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