Putin, It's Enough!

[tinydancer]

Leave Ukraine where it has always belonged, in Russia.

Ukraine is Russian it has been and it always will be.

Nazis don't belong in Ukraine....Obama knows shit about history.

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Apparently, you know squat about Ukraine & its people. Did you know that Ukraine has its own language and it's more similar to Polish than Russian?
Does Poland belong in Russia?
Geez.

Ukrainians killed hundreds of thousands of Poles in WWII in a genocide attempt.

Next?

 

[tinydancer]

OK killing of hundreds of thousands of Poles beat back Russia?

I can't wait for the geographical argument that you guys have been putting out there that Bandera was fighting the Ruskies.

Give er guys! I can't wait to hear it

They are at the east end of the Ukraine killing, slaughtering , maiming Poles and Russia's coming in from where?

This is Banderas handiwork

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[tinydancer]

 

[PK1]

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You are sounding like a broken record now ... posting the same old Russian one-sided stuff over & over, and not responding to counter info.
That's a losing position in debates.

That picture of Donbas deaths ... you can thank the RUSSIAN invaders.
Do you want to see a counter photo of dead children in Ukraine during the Holodomor at the hands of RUSSIAN Stalinists?

 

[Camp]

Wow, the Canadian rock star braggart who lectures as an expert because several generations ago relatives of one of her parents came from Ukraine is arguing with actual Ukrainians about Ukraine history and posting photo's of dead and mangled children to reinforce her opinions. She has support from some other idiot that is insisting that Ukraine, with it's own language and culture is actually Russia. Doubtful either one of these experts has stepped a foot anywhere in Ukraine or converses with Ukrainians or Russians. It is probably just a coincidence that they echo Putin's talking points like parrots. These two suckers are obviously influenced by the Russian propaganda machine.

Americans should consider this. When a rally of southerners display the confederate flag, does that mean that everyone in the south are racist traitors? When enemies of America show photo's of dead children killed by collateral damage or being caught in the crossfire, does that make all Americans guilty of murder and war criminals? Does it even make all of our military guilty of these tragedies?

This is the kind of disinformation being pushed out of the Putin propaganda mill and echoed by the self proclaimed rock star used to be. Fact is that independent observers and journalist have reported atrocities and war crimes on both sides of this conflict. That is always how it is. For one side to accuse the other of the same crimes it is committing itself is an age old propagandist tool. It attracts the low bearing fruit. The easiest people to influence and mislead because it attracts through emotion. No evidence is needed to show where the photo's came from or who committed the damage. It doesn't make a difference because it is not meant to influence people who have been in war zones. It is meant to influence those who have not. Those who have been in war zones know the reality of war zones. They understand the horror of a simple fact. Everyone is responsible for these kinds of tragedies and incidents. Soldiers know this the best.

Only one thing needs to be known and understood about the conflict in Ukraine. Russian troops, disguised as separatist or as volunteers do not belong in Ukraine. Russian weapons like tanks,artillery and BUK missile systems do not belong in Ukraine. That is why the Russians deny and lie about them being there. The only way foreign troops belong in a nation is when the recognized and legitimate government invites them to be there.

Ukraine has an internationally recognized government that was elected in elections monitored by international groups tasked with insuring fair elections. This was done after the so called "coup". The current government in Ukraine has very few of the so called neo-Nazi groups involved in it. The neo Nazi's were overwhelmingly rejected by the Ukrainian voters. Those are the facts. No matter how many neo Nazi stories and horrible photo's these people post, Russia does not belong in Ukraine. The horrible incidents that create those kinds of horrible photo's will only end when Russia gets out of Ukraine and stops supporting the war with weapons. That is how wars always end and peace is achieved. Borders are respected and countries adhere to international law designed to maintain peace. Number one rule, don't send your tanks and troops across your neighbors border.

 

[FA_Q2]

Russia's invasion??? Really???

Why are you posting propaganda?

That is not propaganda. It is fact that there are Russian troops operating in the sovereign borders of another nation without that nations consent. That is an invasion, pure and simple. If all you see is propaganda then you are very guilty of the very same thing that you want to accuse others of doing.

 

[FA_Q2]

Hey! How many know that Poroshenko is using Ukrainian neo nazis to fight the rebels in the east?

Hey! How many know that Putin is using Russian neo nazis as part of the invasion force murdering citizens of Ukraine in his illegal invasion?
Why does Russia need special propaganda unit for internet when they have help from the Tinydancer's and CruesaderFranks already trolling for Putler?

Let'see now...Obama commits a coup in Ukraine overthrowing the elected government and installing an anti-Russian leader causing many deaths....then a civilian airliner is shot down over Ukraine and Obama and the West instantly proclaim Russian rebels did it, but tellingly offer no proof.
But hey! Its all Putin's fault and we should go to war with Russia over Ukraine...so think the neo-cons and statists.

Are you stating that it was not the separatists that shot down that airliner?
That is a hell of a claim. How about YOU support that contention rather than complaining that is what other people believe. Quite frankly, I think it is rather clear that the separatists shot that plane down.
If that is not your contention then your entire statement is nonsensical.

There is no proof Russian rebels shot down the jetliner. Stop believing propaganda. Just do some research and you will find the answers. I can't do it for you.

I notice that you did not actually respond to my statements. It is easy to blankly demand that everyone else is wrong. You are providing absolutely nothing in response. Try actually making a statement as to who shot the plane down (as you seem to think there is some conspiracy surrounding the official story) and back it up./ Otherwise, all your statements about everyone else believing the ‘propaganda’ is nothing more than bloviating.

 

[FA_Q2]

And yet the Dutch can't find anyone to prosecute for the crime. Why is that if this is such an open and shut case, as you claim?

Prosecute a crime? What a draft statement. You don’t prosecute (or even effectively investigate) in an area that is still under contention. This is an international issue.

You really think the US gov, which is monitoring all things worldwide, does not know who shot down the plane?

The US HAS claimed they know who shot down the plane. YOU are rejecting it out of hand because… well you have not said why. Speaking of propaganda and conspiracy theories…
How about you actually back something up rather than demand that no one else is and blatantly making claims that have no real evidence.

 

[gipper]

And yet the Dutch can't find anyone to prosecute for the crime. Why is that if this is such an open and shut case, as you claim?

Prosecute a crime? What a draft statement. You don’t prosecute (or even effectively investigate) in an area that is still under contention. This is an international issue.

You really think the US gov, which is monitoring all things worldwide, does not know who shot down the plane?

The US HAS claimed they know who shot down the plane. YOU are rejecting it out of hand because… well you have not said why. Speaking of propaganda and conspiracy theories…
How about you actually back something up rather than demand that no one else is and blatantly making claims that have no real evidence.

Funny...you want me to back up my opinion yet you do not require the American government to do the same.

I have backed up my statements with many references in prior threads. If you are too lazy to search for the truth, then that's on you.

It has been almost a year since the shoot down and here is the latest news:

• MH17: Many possibilities, no definite suspects behind crash - See more at: MH17 Many possibilities no definite suspects behind crash AsiaOne Malaysia News
• PROSECUTOR: MH17 INVESTIGATION GOING WELL http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/06/30/prosecutor-mh17-investigation-going-well/
• Still no suspects in downing of MH17 over Ukraine http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/still-no-suspects-in-downing-of-mh17-over-ukraine/ar-AAclQ1S

Now can we try to THINK logically here for a minute?

The US gov, most western media, and many Euro govs immediately accused Russian backed rebels of this murderous act of war. We know the US gov has considerable capabilities in monitoring all things around the globe, yet no documented proof by US gov officials has been presented. The US gov makes a damning accusation and yet, the news is we still don't know who did it.

Now put your big boy pants on...when the head of the world's only superpower makes an accusation of this nature, why has he not gone to the Hague or UN with his evidence to show the world proof?

Do you merely accept an accusation by a POTUS and his paid for lackeys, without proof? Intelligent people don't.

 

[JimH52]

Leave Ukraine where it has always belonged, in Russia.

Ukraine is Russian it has been and it always will be.

Nazis don't belong in Ukraine....Obama knows shit about history.

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Apparently, you know squat about Ukraine & its people. Did you know that Ukraine has its own language and it's more similar to Polish than Russian?
Does Poland belong in Russia?
Geez.

Yes, the Poootin worshippers will say it does. Their goal is to help Poootin reassemble the USSR. He has plans to bring back the old Soviet Bear. I am very surprised that there are so many Russian sympathizers on USMB. Seems Poootin has learned from ISIS. Social media is the way to go!

 

[Stratford57]

QUOTE="tinydancer, post: 11728639, member: 25451"]Look nazi lovers. If you want to back the coup ******* go for it. If you want to worship Bandera ******* go for it. If you want to be nazi 24/7 on the board go for it.

What is there to argue about? You love your nazis in Kiev and you pulled off a successful coup.[ QUOTE]

Hey, Tiny, do you think any of your opponents really cares about Ukraine? Look:

- Esay badly wants the EU to adopt Ukraine no matter how many destroyed lives it takes and how many people are already living in misery just in a year after the coup (and the things are getting worse every day);
- Camp hates Russia and would love to see Ukraine separated from Russia for good, regardless of the opinion of at least 15 millions Ukrainian citizens in the East, who want to be with Russia;
- Pk1 and all his clones (Mike Bredsbey, Lisitsyn, PitStewart etc.) are trolls, who've joined USMB for the only purpose is to "stir the crap" against Russia;
- JimH52 as well as the majority of Americans on USMB "know" about Ukraine only from their "news", can't even find it on the map and don't care how many lives are (and will be!) sacrificed to the bloodthirsty geopolitical interests of their country. Thanks God there ARE quite a few Americans who don't buy what they are told and prefer to keep their eyes open and to think. I'd love to thank them a lot!!!

 

[G.T.]

Lol tiny <3's putin. Always has. Shes no american anyhow...shes a canuck.

 

[ChrisL]

Just after 9pm each day, a long line of workers files out of 55 Savushkina Street, a modern four-storey office complex with a small sign outside that reads “Business centre”. Having spent 12 hours in the building, the workers are replaced by another large group, who will work through the night.

The nondescript building has been identified as the headquarters of Russia’s “troll army”, where hundreds of paid bloggers work round the clock to flood Russian internet forums, social networks and the comments sections of western publications with remarks praising the president, Vladimir Putin, and raging at the depravity and injustice of the west.

Salutin Putin inside a Russian troll house World news The Guardian

A Russian freelance journalist who claims she went undercover as a pro-government Internet troll says she is suing her former employer in a bid to expose the workings of the Kremlin's online army.
"This propaganda on the Internet is very dangerous," Lyudmila Savchuk, 34. "It has to be brought to light."

Russia has been waiting for a long time for such a person. I appreciate her work, she is a real hero. Hope, she will find patience to keep on struggling for the truth. Such a great example of personal involvement! Good luck!

She'll probably turn up mysteriously missing.

 

[Camp]

And yet the Dutch can't find anyone to prosecute for the crime. Why is that if this is such an open and shut case, as you claim?

Prosecute a crime? What a draft statement. You don’t prosecute (or even effectively investigate) in an area that is still under contention. This is an international issue.

You really think the US gov, which is monitoring all things worldwide, does not know who shot down the plane?

The US HAS claimed they know who shot down the plane. YOU are rejecting it out of hand because… well you have not said why. Speaking of propaganda and conspiracy theories…
How about you actually back something up rather than demand that no one else is and blatantly making claims that have no real evidence.

Funny...you want me to back up my opinion yet you do not require the American government to do the same.

I have backed up my statements with many references in prior threads. If you are too lazy to search for the truth, then that's on you.

It has been almost a year since the shoot down and here is the latest news:

• MH17: Many possibilities, no definite suspects behind crash - See more at: MH17 Many possibilities no definite suspects behind crash AsiaOne Malaysia News
• PROSECUTOR: MH17 INVESTIGATION GOING WELL http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/06/30/prosecutor-mh17-investigation-going-well/
• Still no suspects in downing of MH17 over Ukraine http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/still-no-suspects-in-downing-of-mh17-over-ukraine/ar-AAclQ1S

Now can we try to THINK logically here for a minute?

The US gov, most western media, and many Euro govs immediately accused Russian backed rebels of this murderous act of war. We know the US gov has considerable capabilities in monitoring all things around the globe, yet no documented proof by US gov officials has been presented. The US gov makes a damning accusation and yet, the news is we still don't know who did it.

Now put your big boy pants on...when the head of the world's only superpower makes an accusation of this nature, why has he not gone to the Hague or UN with his evidence to show the world proof?

Do you merely accept an accusation by a POTUS and his paid for lackeys, without proof? Intelligent people don't.

Often posters post links without reading them. This is a great example of that stupidity. Gipper's links are up to date. What they say is that the Dutch have narrowed the investigation down to "interested persons" and the final report will not be ready until sometime around the end of the year. But wait, here is the good part. It confirms what was already known about Russia. Russia is rejecting the case be heard in front of a UN tribunal. The Dutch and others wanted the case heard by and in a court that has international authority. Russia says no and has the power to veto any proposed resolution that would create a UN court. The Ukraine does not have that authority. So the answer to why this case has not come to trial and why all the evidence hasn't been made public in a public trial is because the Russians are refusing to allow the UN to do it. Russia is refusing to allow a court with international authority the right to investigate and bring forth charges. If you doubt the accuracy of this post, just read the links provided by Mr. Gipper.

 

[gipper]

And yet the Dutch can't find anyone to prosecute for the crime. Why is that if this is such an open and shut case, as you claim?

Prosecute a crime? What a draft statement. You don’t prosecute (or even effectively investigate) in an area that is still under contention. This is an international issue.

You really think the US gov, which is monitoring all things worldwide, does not know who shot down the plane?

The US HAS claimed they know who shot down the plane. YOU are rejecting it out of hand because… well you have not said why. Speaking of propaganda and conspiracy theories…
How about you actually back something up rather than demand that no one else is and blatantly making claims that have no real evidence.

Funny...you want me to back up my opinion yet you do not require the American government to do the same.

I have backed up my statements with many references in prior threads. If you are too lazy to search for the truth, then that's on you.

It has been almost a year since the shoot down and here is the latest news:

• MH17: Many possibilities, no definite suspects behind crash - See more at: MH17 Many possibilities no definite suspects behind crash AsiaOne Malaysia News
• PROSECUTOR: MH17 INVESTIGATION GOING WELL http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/06/30/prosecutor-mh17-investigation-going-well/
• Still no suspects in downing of MH17 over Ukraine http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/still-no-suspects-in-downing-of-mh17-over-ukraine/ar-AAclQ1S

Now can we try to THINK logically here for a minute?

The US gov, most western media, and many Euro govs immediately accused Russian backed rebels of this murderous act of war. We know the US gov has considerable capabilities in monitoring all things around the globe, yet no documented proof by US gov officials has been presented. The US gov makes a damning accusation and yet, the news is we still don't know who did it.

Now put your big boy pants on...when the head of the world's only superpower makes an accusation of this nature, why has he not gone to the Hague or UN with his evidence to show the world proof?

Do you merely accept an accusation by a POTUS and his paid for lackeys, without proof? Intelligent people don't.

Often posters post links without reading them. This is a great example of that stupidity. Gipper's links are up to date. What they say is that the Dutch have narrowed the investigation down to "interested persons" and the final report will not be ready until sometime around the end of the year. But wait, here is the good part. It confirms what was already known about Russia. Russia is rejecting the case be heard in front of a UN tribunal. The Dutch and others wanted the case heard by and in a court that has international authority. Russia says no and has the power to veto any proposed resolution that would create a UN court. The Ukraine does not have that authority. So the answer to why this case has not come to trial and why all the evidence hasn't been made public in a public trial is because the Russians are refusing to allow the UN to do it. Russia is refusing to allow a court with international authority the right to investigate and bring forth charges. If you doubt the accuracy of this post, just read the links provided by Mr. Gipper.

Does not matter. Why do you persist with your foolishness?

My point, which you tend to ALWAYS distort or forget, is the POTUS made a very damning accusation. Now don't you think he should make his case for the world to see? He does not need the UN or any other authority to make his case. He is the POTUS!!!

Why are you grabbing at straws?

Why has the US gov been silent on this issue for many months now?

Does none of this cause you the slightest suspicion that what we are told just maybe now....just maybe....might not be accurate?

 

[ESay]

Wow, the Canadian rock star braggart who lectures as an expert because several generations ago relatives of one of her parents came from Ukraine is arguing with actual Ukrainians about Ukraine history and posting photo's of dead and mangled children to reinforce her opinions. She has support from some other idiot that is insisting that Ukraine, with it's own language and culture is actually Russia. Doubtful either one of these experts has stepped a foot anywhere in Ukraine or converses with Ukrainians or Russians. It is probably just a coincidence that they echo Putin's talking points like parrots. These two suckers are obviously influenced by the Russian propaganda machine.

Americans should consider this. When a rally of southerners display the confederate flag, does that mean that everyone in the south are racist traitors? When enemies of America show photo's of dead children killed by collateral damage or being caught in the crossfire, does that make all Americans guilty of murder and war criminals? Does it even make all of our military guilty of these tragedies?

This is the kind of disinformation being pushed out of the Putin propaganda mill and echoed by the self proclaimed rock star used to be. Fact is that independent observers and journalist have reported atrocities and war crimes on both sides of this conflict. That is always how it is. For one side to accuse the other of the same crimes it is committing itself is an age old propagandist tool. It attracts the low bearing fruit. The easiest people to influence and mislead because it attracts through emotion. No evidence is needed to show where the photo's came from or who committed the damage. It doesn't make a difference because it is not meant to influence people who have been in war zones. It is meant to influence those who have not. Those who have been in war zones know the reality of war zones. They understand the horror of a simple fact. Everyone is responsible for these kinds of tragedies and incidents. Soldiers know this the best.

Only one thing needs to be known and understood about the conflict in Ukraine. Russian troops, disguised as separatist or as volunteers do not belong in Ukraine. Russian weapons like tanks,artillery and BUK missile systems do not belong in Ukraine. That is why the Russians deny and lie about them being there. The only way foreign troops belong in a nation is when the recognized and legitimate government invites them to be there.

Ukraine has an internationally recognized government that was elected in elections monitored by international groups tasked with insuring fair elections. This was done after the so called "coup". The current government in Ukraine has very few of the so called neo-Nazi groups involved in it. The neo Nazi's were overwhelmingly rejected by the Ukrainian voters. Those are the facts. No matter how many neo Nazi stories and horrible photo's these people post, Russia does not belong in Ukraine. The horrible incidents that create those kinds of horrible photo's will only end when Russia gets out of Ukraine and stops supporting the war with weapons. That is how wars always end and peace is achieved. Borders are respected and countries adhere to international law designed to maintain peace. Number one rule, don't send your tanks and troops across your neighbors border.

Thanks for your post. Though, I don’t think it will change much, unfortunately. I mean maybe it will be helpful for someone who accidentally came across this thread and who hasn’t been following closely the events in Ukraine and its history, but it won’t definitely change much in the creative work of our “truth-seekers”. There will be the same photos, articles, statements, pictures, and so on. Have you noticed that they are completely ignoring questions which are not suitable for them?

About the Boeing. I can assure you that when the Dutch team has released its final report, Stalin-Putin’s pieces of shit will be crying that the report has been falsified on demand of American masters in order to whitewashed ukro-Nazis. Do you remember the story about the Ukrainian Su-25, with Russian generals saying they have overwhelming proof; photos from a satellite; a secret source in a Ukrainian airfield; an evidence of Spanish air traffic controller Carlos? Where is all of that now? Now, when it is obvious that the plane was shot down by a Buk missile, they have another version that it is Ukrainian troops fired the rocket. Don’t have any doubts that there will be the same “truth-seekers” here who will be spreading this version with “irrefutable proof” in next autumn.

About the Russian troops it is no reason to say something whatsoever. I almost sure that Russian “patriots” don’t believe in all that shit they are writing about – that there are no military support, no deliveries of arms, and so on.
You know, there were no Russian troops in Crimea at the beginning; the so-called rebels were buying their weapons in a shop at that time (I think you have heard this version from Russia’s president).
Now there are no Russian troops in Donbass, but only coal-miners, Russian volunteers and so-called ‘otpuskniki’ (furloughers or so). Take a look how easily they have disowned their two servicemen. And at the same time they are boasting about the grandeur of Russia and are threatening to show ‘Kuzka’s mother’. Disgusting.

 

[Camp]

And yet the Dutch can't find anyone to prosecute for the crime. Why is that if this is such an open and shut case, as you claim?

Prosecute a crime? What a draft statement. You don’t prosecute (or even effectively investigate) in an area that is still under contention. This is an international issue.

You really think the US gov, which is monitoring all things worldwide, does not know who shot down the plane?

The US HAS claimed they know who shot down the plane. YOU are rejecting it out of hand because… well you have not said why. Speaking of propaganda and conspiracy theories…
How about you actually back something up rather than demand that no one else is and blatantly making claims that have no real evidence.

Funny...you want me to back up my opinion yet you do not require the American government to do the same.

I have backed up my statements with many references in prior threads. If you are too lazy to search for the truth, then that's on you.

It has been almost a year since the shoot down and here is the latest news:

• MH17: Many possibilities, no definite suspects behind crash - See more at: MH17 Many possibilities no definite suspects behind crash AsiaOne Malaysia News
• PROSECUTOR: MH17 INVESTIGATION GOING WELL http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/06/30/prosecutor-mh17-investigation-going-well/
• Still no suspects in downing of MH17 over Ukraine http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/still-no-suspects-in-downing-of-mh17-over-ukraine/ar-AAclQ1S

Now can we try to THINK logically here for a minute?

The US gov, most western media, and many Euro govs immediately accused Russian backed rebels of this murderous act of war. We know the US gov has considerable capabilities in monitoring all things around the globe, yet no documented proof by US gov officials has been presented. The US gov makes a damning accusation and yet, the news is we still don't know who did it.

Now put your big boy pants on...when the head of the world's only superpower makes an accusation of this nature, why has he not gone to the Hague or UN with his evidence to show the world proof?

Do you merely accept an accusation by a POTUS and his paid for lackeys, without proof? Intelligent people don't.

Often posters post links without reading them. This is a great example of that stupidity. Gipper's links are up to date. What they say is that the Dutch have narrowed the investigation down to "interested persons" and the final report will not be ready until sometime around the end of the year. But wait, here is the good part. It confirms what was already known about Russia. Russia is rejecting the case be heard in front of a UN tribunal. The Dutch and others wanted the case heard by and in a court that has international authority. Russia says no and has the power to veto any proposed resolution that would create a UN court. The Ukraine does not have that authority. So the answer to why this case has not come to trial and why all the evidence hasn't been made public in a public trial is because the Russians are refusing to allow the UN to do it. Russia is refusing to allow a court with international authority the right to investigate and bring forth charges. If you doubt the accuracy of this post, just read the links provided by Mr. Gipper.

Does not matter. Why do you persist with your foolishness?

My point, which you tend to ALWAYS distort or forget, is the POTUS made a very damning accusation. Now don't you think he should make his case for the world to see? He does not need the UN or any other authority to make his case. He is the POTUS!!!

Why are you grabbing at straws?

Why has the US gov been silent on this issue for many months now?

Does none of this cause you the slightest suspicion that what we are told just maybe now....just maybe....might not be accurate?

You are the one grabbing at straws. It is not the POTUS job to interfere with an investigation and legal affairs. The US made the feelings and opinions known and you don't like Obama so you are whining about it and trying to use the incident and case for your normal Obama derangement syndrome and hatred. Why should the American President jeopardize a legal proceeding being conducted by the Dutch or possibly an international tribunal of some kind? It is not the US or POTUS's job to prosecute this case.

 

[Camp]

Wow, the Canadian rock star braggart who lectures as an expert because several generations ago relatives of one of her parents came from Ukraine is arguing with actual Ukrainians about Ukraine history and posting photo's of dead and mangled children to reinforce her opinions. She has support from some other idiot that is insisting that Ukraine, with it's own language and culture is actually Russia. Doubtful either one of these experts has stepped a foot anywhere in Ukraine or converses with Ukrainians or Russians. It is probably just a coincidence that they echo Putin's talking points like parrots. These two suckers are obviously influenced by the Russian propaganda machine.

Americans should consider this. When a rally of southerners display the confederate flag, does that mean that everyone in the south are racist traitors? When enemies of America show photo's of dead children killed by collateral damage or being caught in the crossfire, does that make all Americans guilty of murder and war criminals? Does it even make all of our military guilty of these tragedies?

This is the kind of disinformation being pushed out of the Putin propaganda mill and echoed by the self proclaimed rock star used to be. Fact is that independent observers and journalist have reported atrocities and war crimes on both sides of this conflict. That is always how it is. For one side to accuse the other of the same crimes it is committing itself is an age old propagandist tool. It attracts the low bearing fruit. The easiest people to influence and mislead because it attracts through emotion. No evidence is needed to show where the photo's came from or who committed the damage. It doesn't make a difference because it is not meant to influence people who have been in war zones. It is meant to influence those who have not. Those who have been in war zones know the reality of war zones. They understand the horror of a simple fact. Everyone is responsible for these kinds of tragedies and incidents. Soldiers know this the best.

Only one thing needs to be known and understood about the conflict in Ukraine. Russian troops, disguised as separatist or as volunteers do not belong in Ukraine. Russian weapons like tanks,artillery and BUK missile systems do not belong in Ukraine. That is why the Russians deny and lie about them being there. The only way foreign troops belong in a nation is when the recognized and legitimate government invites them to be there.

Ukraine has an internationally recognized government that was elected in elections monitored by international groups tasked with insuring fair elections. This was done after the so called "coup". The current government in Ukraine has very few of the so called neo-Nazi groups involved in it. The neo Nazi's were overwhelmingly rejected by the Ukrainian voters. Those are the facts. No matter how many neo Nazi stories and horrible photo's these people post, Russia does not belong in Ukraine. The horrible incidents that create those kinds of horrible photo's will only end when Russia gets out of Ukraine and stops supporting the war with weapons. That is how wars always end and peace is achieved. Borders are respected and countries adhere to international law designed to maintain peace. Number one rule, don't send your tanks and troops across your neighbors border.

Thanks for your post. Though, I don’t think it will change much, unfortunately. I mean maybe it will be helpful for someone who accidentally came across this thread and who hasn’t been following closely the events in Ukraine and its history, but it won’t definitely change much in the creative work of our “truth-seekers”. There will be the same photos, articles, statements, pictures, and so on. Have you noticed that they are completely ignoring questions which are not suitable for them?

About the Boeing. I can assure you that when the Dutch team has released its final report, Stalin-Putin’s pieces of shit will be crying that the report has been falsified on demand of American masters in order to whitewashed ukro-Nazis. Do you remember the story about the Ukrainian Su-25, with Russian generals saying they have overwhelming proof; photos from a satellite; a secret source in a Ukrainian airfield; an evidence of Spanish air traffic controller Carlos? Where is all of that now? Now, when it is obvious that the plane was shot down by a Buk missile, they have another version that it is Ukrainian troops fired the rocket. Don’t have any doubts that there will be the same “truth-seekers” here who will be spreading this version with “irrefutable proof” in next autumn.

About the Russian troops it is no reason to say something whatsoever. I almost sure that Russian “patriots” don’t believe in all that shit they are writing about – that there are no military support, no deliveries of arms, and so on.
You know, there were no Russian troops in Crimea at the beginning; the so-called rebels were buying their weapons in a shop at that time (I think you have heard this version from Russia’s president).
Now there are no Russian troops in Donbass, but only coal-miners, Russian volunteers and so-called ‘otpuskniki’ (furloughers or so). Take a look how easily they have disowned their two servicemen. And at the same time they are boasting about the grandeur of Russia and are threatening to show ‘Kuzka’s mother’. Disgusting.

Over a thousand viewers have come to see this thread in just a few days. Any application of truth to it is helpful in counteracting and neutralizing the disinformation propagated by the Moscow machine.

 

[gipper]

And yet the Dutch can't find anyone to prosecute for the crime. Why is that if this is such an open and shut case, as you claim?

Prosecute a crime? What a draft statement. You don’t prosecute (or even effectively investigate) in an area that is still under contention. This is an international issue.

You really think the US gov, which is monitoring all things worldwide, does not know who shot down the plane?

The US HAS claimed they know who shot down the plane. YOU are rejecting it out of hand because… well you have not said why. Speaking of propaganda and conspiracy theories…
How about you actually back something up rather than demand that no one else is and blatantly making claims that have no real evidence.

Funny...you want me to back up my opinion yet you do not require the American government to do the same.

I have backed up my statements with many references in prior threads. If you are too lazy to search for the truth, then that's on you.

It has been almost a year since the shoot down and here is the latest news:

• MH17: Many possibilities, no definite suspects behind crash - See more at: MH17 Many possibilities no definite suspects behind crash AsiaOne Malaysia News
• PROSECUTOR: MH17 INVESTIGATION GOING WELL http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/06/30/prosecutor-mh17-investigation-going-well/
• Still no suspects in downing of MH17 over Ukraine http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/still-no-suspects-in-downing-of-mh17-over-ukraine/ar-AAclQ1S

Now can we try to THINK logically here for a minute?

The US gov, most western media, and many Euro govs immediately accused Russian backed rebels of this murderous act of war. We know the US gov has considerable capabilities in monitoring all things around the globe, yet no documented proof by US gov officials has been presented. The US gov makes a damning accusation and yet, the news is we still don't know who did it.

Now put your big boy pants on...when the head of the world's only superpower makes an accusation of this nature, why has he not gone to the Hague or UN with his evidence to show the world proof?

Do you merely accept an accusation by a POTUS and his paid for lackeys, without proof? Intelligent people don't.

Often posters post links without reading them. This is a great example of that stupidity. Gipper's links are up to date. What they say is that the Dutch have narrowed the investigation down to "interested persons" and the final report will not be ready until sometime around the end of the year. But wait, here is the good part. It confirms what was already known about Russia. Russia is rejecting the case be heard in front of a UN tribunal. The Dutch and others wanted the case heard by and in a court that has international authority. Russia says no and has the power to veto any proposed resolution that would create a UN court. The Ukraine does not have that authority. So the answer to why this case has not come to trial and why all the evidence hasn't been made public in a public trial is because the Russians are refusing to allow the UN to do it. Russia is refusing to allow a court with international authority the right to investigate and bring forth charges. If you doubt the accuracy of this post, just read the links provided by Mr. Gipper.

Does not matter. Why do you persist with your foolishness?

My point, which you tend to ALWAYS distort or forget, is the POTUS made a very damning accusation. Now don't you think he should make his case for the world to see? He does not need the UN or any other authority to make his case. He is the POTUS!!!

Why are you grabbing at straws?

Why has the US gov been silent on this issue for many months now?

Does none of this cause you the slightest suspicion that what we are told just maybe now....just maybe....might not be accurate?

You are the one grabbing at straws. It is not the POTUS job to interfere with an investigation and legal affairs. The US made the feelings and opinions known and you don't like Obama so you are whining about it and trying to use the incident and case for your normal Obama derangement syndrome and hatred. Why should the American President jeopardize a legal proceeding being conducted by the Dutch or possibly an international tribunal of some kind? It is not the US or POTUS's job to prosecute this case.

You apparently have no understanding of international diplomacy.

For a seating POTUS to accuse another nation of an act of war, is big stuff. He better back up his pronouncements with facts proving his accusation.

I guess you don't hold Obama to any standards of conduct, so he can do and say what he wishes...in your mind.

 

[gipper]

And yet the Dutch can't find anyone to prosecute for the crime. Why is that if this is such an open and shut case, as you claim?

Prosecute a crime? What a draft statement. You don’t prosecute (or even effectively investigate) in an area that is still under contention. This is an international issue.

You really think the US gov, which is monitoring all things worldwide, does not know who shot down the plane?

The US HAS claimed they know who shot down the plane. YOU are rejecting it out of hand because… well you have not said why. Speaking of propaganda and conspiracy theories…
How about you actually back something up rather than demand that no one else is and blatantly making claims that have no real evidence.

Funny...you want me to back up my opinion yet you do not require the American government to do the same.

I have backed up my statements with many references in prior threads. If you are too lazy to search for the truth, then that's on you.

It has been almost a year since the shoot down and here is the latest news:

• MH17: Many possibilities, no definite suspects behind crash - See more at: MH17 Many possibilities no definite suspects behind crash AsiaOne Malaysia News
• PROSECUTOR: MH17 INVESTIGATION GOING WELL http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/06/30/prosecutor-mh17-investigation-going-well/
• Still no suspects in downing of MH17 over Ukraine http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/still-no-suspects-in-downing-of-mh17-over-ukraine/ar-AAclQ1S

Now can we try to THINK logically here for a minute?

The US gov, most western media, and many Euro govs immediately accused Russian backed rebels of this murderous act of war. We know the US gov has considerable capabilities in monitoring all things around the globe, yet no documented proof by US gov officials has been presented. The US gov makes a damning accusation and yet, the news is we still don't know who did it.

Now put your big boy pants on...when the head of the world's only superpower makes an accusation of this nature, why has he not gone to the Hague or UN with his evidence to show the world proof?

Do you merely accept an accusation by a POTUS and his paid for lackeys, without proof? Intelligent people don't.

Often posters post links without reading them. This is a great example of that stupidity. Gipper's links are up to date. What they say is that the Dutch have narrowed the investigation down to "interested persons" and the final report will not be ready until sometime around the end of the year. But wait, here is the good part. It confirms what was already known about Russia. Russia is rejecting the case be heard in front of a UN tribunal. The Dutch and others wanted the case heard by and in a court that has international authority. Russia says no and has the power to veto any proposed resolution that would create a UN court. The Ukraine does not have that authority. So the answer to why this case has not come to trial and why all the evidence hasn't been made public in a public trial is because the Russians are refusing to allow the UN to do it. Russia is refusing to allow a court with international authority the right to investigate and bring forth charges. If you doubt the accuracy of this post, just read the links provided by Mr. Gipper.

Does not matter. Why do you persist with your foolishness?

My point, which you tend to ALWAYS distort or forget, is the POTUS made a very damning accusation. Now don't you think he should make his case for the world to see? He does not need the UN or any other authority to make his case. He is the POTUS!!!

Why are you grabbing at straws?

Why has the US gov been silent on this issue for many months now?

Does none of this cause you the slightest suspicion that what we are told just maybe now....just maybe....might not be accurate?

You are the one grabbing at straws. It is not the POTUS job to interfere with an investigation and legal affairs. The US made the feelings and opinions known and you don't like Obama so you are whining about it and trying to use the incident and case for your normal Obama derangement syndrome and hatred. Why should the American President jeopardize a legal proceeding being conducted by the Dutch or possibly an international tribunal of some kind? It is not the US or POTUS's job to prosecute this case.

Your thinking on this is akin to Obama saying the cop committed murder the day Michael Brown was shot and killed without ever providing any proof.

Do you see the complete and utter foolishness in your argument?