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Purgatory Explained - by Scott Hahn​

This is an excerpt from The Journey Home Youtube video : interview of Scott Hahn -- A Presbyterian Minister Who Became Catholic.

Most people, including Catholics sadly, do not really understand Purgatory correctly

 

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Is it near Tel Aviv?

 

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Is it near Tel Aviv?

Uh, no

 

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Questions needed to be answered for those who hold to the unbiblical teaching of purgatory:


1 Pt.1:18 clearly states we were not redeemed by corruptible things like silver or gold(money in indulgences) but by the precious blood of Christ. So how can masses help cleanse one in the afterlife?


If purgatory is necessary for one to be cleansed to be ready for heaven by suffering, why is it someone can pray rosaries, have masses pay indulgences to cleanse us. Then we don’t actually have to suffer for our sins but we are told we cannot purge our sins without this suffering; so which is it?


In Gen. 2:1-2 in 6 days God created and finished His work and he rested, it was completed, finished. The cross has the same implication- God finished His work, it was paid in full, completed.


The same meaning is seen in Heb 4 “for one who entered His rest has himself also rested from his works as God did from his.” Have you entered the rest of Christ?


What happens to those in purgatory when Christ comes and their purging is not complete


Why is it that we need to be perfected before we go to heaven when Satan and his angels appear before God and they are not perfect? Is this not what the cross has done for the believer- made us acceptable in the beloved. Phil.1:21,23Paul writes to die is gain, not pain and further suffering in purgatory.


But Col.1:24 says that Paul suffered for his salvation. No, it does not. He is speaking of suffering for the sake of righteousness in his course to fulfill his ministry.The suffering of Christians should never be confused with the redemptive suffering of Christ for our sins. We can't help in salvation by any type of suffering.


As the two criminals were being crucified one had a change of heart Luke 23:39-44 “Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, "If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us. "But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, "Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? "And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong." Then he said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom. "And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Jesus did not say to this criminal today you will be in purgatory. If any deserved NOT to be in paradise it was this man. Certainly he was not baptized, nor did he partake of any ritual in the church yet Jesus was willing to remit his sins and have him accompany Him into paradise that day. So why should some not think that all believers enter paradise by faith like this man– as the Bible promises


Ps 49:7-9: “None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him-- For the redemption of their souls is costly, and it shall cease forever--That he should continue to live eternally, and not see the Pit.” There is no payment for sin except the blood of God’s Son on the cross.


So how do we become righteous without purgatory? 2 Cor.5:21 we have the righteousness because of faith. It's God's gift ton those who believe.


We are holy and blameless before Him because of Christ Eph.1:1-14


Rev.7 “they washed (purged) their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.”


No matter how long you would spend in purgatory it would never pay for one sin you have committed, because God has not given men suffering in purgatory to cleanse you of your sins, but Jesus Christ's blood.

PURGATORY CONTINUES

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Questions needed to be answered for those who hold to the unbiblical teaching of purgatory:


1 Pt.1:18 clearly states we were not redeemed by corruptible things like silver or gold(money in indulgences) but by the precious blood of Christ. So how can masses help cleanse one in the afterlife?


If purgatory is necessary for one to be cleansed to be ready for heaven by suffering, why is it someone can pray rosaries, have masses pay indulgences to cleanse us. Then we don’t actually have to suffer for our sins but we are told we cannot purge our sins without this suffering; so which is it?


In Gen. 2:1-2 in 6 days God created and finished His work and he rested, it was completed, finished. The cross has the same implication- God finished His work, it was paid in full, completed.


The same meaning is seen in Heb 4 “for one who entered His rest has himself also rested from his works as God did from his.” Have you entered the rest of Christ?


What happens to those in purgatory when Christ comes and their purging is not complete


Why is it that we need to be perfected before we go to heaven when Satan and his angels appear before God and they are not perfect? Is this not what the cross has done for the believer- made us acceptable in the beloved. Phil.1:21,23Paul writes to die is gain, not pain and further suffering in purgatory.


But Col.1:24 says that Paul suffered for his salvation. No, it does not. He is speaking of suffering for the sake of righteousness in his course to fulfill his ministry.The suffering of Christians should never be confused with the redemptive suffering of Christ for our sins. We can't help in salvation by any type of suffering.


As the two criminals were being crucified one had a change of heart Luke 23:39-44 “Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, "If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us. "But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, "Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? "And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong." Then he said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom. "And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Jesus did not say to this criminal today you will be in purgatory. If any deserved NOT to be in paradise it was this man. Certainly he was not baptized, nor did he partake of any ritual in the church yet Jesus was willing to remit his sins and have him accompany Him into paradise that day. So why should some not think that all believers enter paradise by faith like this man– as the Bible promises


Ps 49:7-9: “None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him-- For the redemption of their souls is costly, and it shall cease forever--That he should continue to live eternally, and not see the Pit.” There is no payment for sin except the blood of God’s Son on the cross.


So how do we become righteous without purgatory? 2 Cor.5:21 we have the righteousness because of faith. It's God's gift ton those who believe.


We are holy and blameless before Him because of Christ Eph.1:1-14


Rev.7 “they washed (purged) their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.”


No matter how long you would spend in purgatory it would never pay for one sin you have committed, because God has not given men suffering in purgatory to cleanse you of your sins, but Jesus Christ's blood.

PURGATORY CONTINUES

www.letusreason.org

Your questions are all non-sequiturs, all based on falsehoods and lies and misunderstandings. They cannot be answered.

I suggest you read this if you want the supporting scriptures:

Is Purgatory in the Bible?

Have you ever wondered where Catholics get that "Purgatory" idea from? Tim Staples, former Protestant turned Catholic apologist, gives a Biblical defense.

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Purgatory and 1 Cor. 3:15​

by Matt Slick | Dec 5, 2008 | Roman Catholicism, World Religions
The doctrine of Purgatory in the Catholic church is explained in this statement from the Second Vatican Council, p. 63, which says,
“The truth has been divinely revealed that sins are followed by punishments. God’s holiness and justice inflict them. Sins must be expiated. This may be done on this earth through the sorrows, miseries and trials of this life and, above all, through death. Otherwise the expiation must be made in the next life through fire and torments or purifying punishments. “
The Protestant church has objected to the doctrine of Purgatory by stating that this teaching denies the

sufficiency and full efficacy of Christ’s atoning sacrifice. To say that our sins are expiated by our suffering is an insult to the cross of Christ since it says that the cross was not sufficient to cleanse us of our sins. It says that we must suffer–that we must do something to have our sins fully cleansed. Instead, the Protestants maintain that Jesus’ sacrifice alone is what justifies and removes from us all guilt. We look to the cross and to the cross alone for the complete forgiveness of our sins; and, though our works will one day be judged, we have passed out of condemnation (Rom. 8:1). Our works reflect on rewards in heaven–not to get us to heaven. Jesus bore all our sins (1 Pet. 2:24). There are no sins left for purgatory to cleanse because it was all done by Jesus on the cross. This is why Jesus said, “It is finished!” (John 19:30). In Greek the term, “it is finished,” is “tetelestai.” It was a term used in legal contexts to state that a debt had been paid in full. “Papyri receipts for taxes have been recovered with the word tetelestai written across them, meaning “paid in full.” (Walvoord, John F., and Zuck, Roy B., The Bible Knowledge Commentary, (Wheaton, Illinois: Scripture Press Publications, Inc., 1983, 1985). Therefore, there is no need for purgatory.
Nevertheless, because the Protestants appeal so much to the Bible, the Catholics have sought to find the doctrine of Purgatory within its pages. One such verse is 1 Cor. 3:15.
“If any mans work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire.”
As with any verse in the Bible, to fully understand it, we must look at it in its biblical context. The following is 1 Cor. 3:10-15
“According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building upon it. But let each man be careful how he builds upon it. 11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man builds upon the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13each mans work will become evident; for the day will show it, because it is to be revealed with fire; and the fire itself will test the quality of each mans work. 14If any mans work which he has built upon it remains, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any mans work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire.”
The context speaks of Paul having planted the Corinthian church, and that another person was building upon that work: verse 6 says, “I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth.” Paul goes on to say that unless a person builds upon the foundation of Jesus, his work will be burned up the in the day of judgment (v. 13). See also, 1 Cor. 5:5; 2 Cor. 1:14; 1 Thess. 5:2).
Paul is simply using the terms that are familiar to the people of the time. The fire was the tool used to purify metals and to get rid of that which was unwanted–the dross. So, too, on the day when our works are examined, the fire of judgment will both purify and remove. This will not affect our salvation, but it will affect our rewards. The theme of fire used as purification is also found in 2 Pet. 3:10-13. But this is not talking about becoming saved or staying saved.
1 Cor. 3:15 does not teach purgatory as a place we go to in order to have some of our sins cleansed from us. It teaches that even though the person is justified by faith and cannot face damnation, his works will, however, be judged on “that day.” Those works which are good will survive the fires of judgment the way gold, silver, and precious stones can survive fire. But false works will be consumed the way fire consumes wood, hay, and straw. What is left has no bearing on whether or not we are saved. It has to do with rewards in heaven.
Paul goes on to say in 1 Cor. 4:5, “Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men’s hearts; and then each man’s praise will come to him from God.”
Note also, 1 Pet. 1:6-7, “In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 7that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
2 Pet. 3:10-13, “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. 11Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, on account of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.”
Purgatory is a dangerous doctrine that makes the Cross of Christ insufficient by requiring the person to undergo suffering in order to be made worthy of being with God. This is a false teaching and is to be avoided. We are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1)–not by faith and works (Rom. 3:28).

Purgatory and 1 Cor. 3:15

1 Cor. 3:15 teaches that even though the person is justified by faith and cannot face damnation that his works will be judged on "that day."

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Purgatory and 1 Cor. 3:15​

by Matt Slick

Matt Slick is a professional liar who has been debunked at every turn

 

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Matt Slick is a professional liar who has been debunked at every turn

bible verse/s that show purgatory? you dont believe Jesus' perfect sacrifice was enough for all your sins? you dont believe in justification?

 

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1 Cor. 3:10-15, "According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wisemaster builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one takeheed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid,which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, preciousstones, wood, hay, straw, each one's work will become clear; for the Daywill declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one'swork, of what sort it is. If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he willreceive a reward. If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himselfwill be saved, yet so as through fire.


In I Corinthians 3 it is the believer's works, not the believer himself,that will be tested by fire. Paul is not speaking of literal fire any more than he is ofliteral wood and gold. He is speaking metaphorically, calling some works wood, hay,stubble (which fire burns combustible) and others gold, silver and precious stones (whichfire purifies). There is nothing here (or anywhere else in Scripture) to supportCatholicism's view that flames in a spiritual zone purge the individual expiating the sinsthat were not cleansed while they were alive taking the sacraments ( Eucharist. ) Whateveris not built on the true foundation will be burnt. It says nothing of punishments but ofthe quality of ones works related to their rewards.


Paul is teaching on the quality of works one has done for Christ and what if anyrewards will be received. If one reads this text correctly we find that ones works can allbe burned up and they can still be saved and enter heaven. Why? Because he himself was aon the sure foundation. This destroys the preconceived notion that one must have a certainamount of good deeds for salvation. It also proves justification by faith alone and not byworks also. The Day is a reference to the great day of the Lord when he comes againand all the works of men will be judged to see if they are acceptable to God, will they gointo eternity or will they vanish. Its a test of whether the work was done on theright foundation by the H.Spirits motivation to be eternal.


Paul says, "We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every onemay receive the things done ( works) in his body, according to that he bath done, whetherit be good or bad." In Revelation 22:12, Christ says, "And, behold, I comequickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his works shallbe." Our entrance into heaven is not the question, but the reward theChristian will receive in heaven. There are degrees of heavenly rewards. Once we receivethe crowns we will cast them to his feet because the Lord who redeemed us was the cause ofall we did.(Rev 4:10).

 

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But since Hahn’s identity is Roman Catholic, he cannot be a brother in Christ. For over four hundred fifty years, the Roman Catholic Church has consistently denied that on the authority of the Bible alone, salvation is by grace alone through faith alone and in Christ alone and to God alone be the glory. The Roman Catholic Church still upholds the heretical tenants of the Council of Trent even in her Vatican Council II documents and her Catechism of the Catholic Church. Those who hold to the Roman Catholic doctrines and practices are not of the household of God. Scott Hahn is in for a rude shock.

Conclusion

To set aside personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and replace it by faith and confidence in the Mass, the Blessed Virgin Mary and Pope is fatal. This is the substitution of religion for a relationship with the living God. The rituals and pomp, fine architecture, captivating music, mysticism, charismatic experiences, visions and apparitions cannot fill the void that was meant to be filled by a Person, the Spirit of the living God.

“The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth.”25 True Christians see God’s power and boldly proclaim His grace, every individual who is saved is “being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.”26 The Gospel is the chosen instrument that God uses to deliver His people from their sins. Thus it is proclaimed, “But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved).”27 Sin is an evil of infinite significance since it is committed against an infinite Person. There is no way of escaping the wrath of God against sin except by His grace. The Scripture interprets grace as power. By this power redemption comes because it was by “the grace of God” that Christ tasted death for each true believer. In Scripture forgiveness of sins is proclaimed through His blood “according to the riches of his grace.” ♦

Scott Hahn’s Route into Apostasy — The Truth About Catholicism

Scott Hahn, a former Presbyterian pastor, is currently being touted as a hero in the Roman Catholic world. The text critiqued in this article is the transcript of his conversion story, “The Scott Hahn Conversion Story: Protestant Minister Becomes Catholic” as it appears in the Catholic Adult Educati

thetruthaboutcatholicism.com

 

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bible verse/s that show purgatory?

Asked and answered.
By the way, your little hate thread about Catholics not being of God reveal what a lowlife you truly are

 

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