Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

[Freewill]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

 

[Sonny Clark]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

 

[paddymurphy]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

Imagine that. A courthouse does not permit protests where they are actually working. Do you think protestors should be allowed to go anywhere, at any time and protest. How bout YOUR front porch? Or the entrance to the elementary school your kids attend? Reasonable time and place restrictions on speech and assembly rights have always been constitutional. Allowing protests in the public areas outside the court but not on the court's property, near the entrances to the Court, is reasonable.

 

[Freewill]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

Oh you still have the right to protest, just not where those you are protesting can hear.

 

[paddymurphy]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

So we are not free because you can march and protest 100 feet from a courthouse, but not ten feet from a courthouse? Idiotic.

 

[paddymurphy]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

Oh you still have the right to protest, just not where those you are protesting can hear.

So, moving ten feet further away, onto the public area of the court, means no one inside is aware of the protest? What does it matter if the Court hears you? Judges are not permitted to be influenced by anything outside the record of the matter being heard.

 

[Sonny Clark]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

So we are not free because you can march and protest 100 feet from a courthouse, but not ten feet from a courthouse? Idiotic.

In America, your freedom is your luck.

 

[paddymurphy]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

So we are not free because you can march and protest 100 feet from a courthouse, but not ten feet from a courthouse? Idiotic.

In America, your freedom is your luck.

No. You are freer here than in most other places on earth. That you don't realize that is a product of your own ignorance.

 

[Freewill]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

Oh you still have the right to protest, just not where those you are protesting can hear.

So, moving ten feet further away, onto the public area of the court, means no one inside is aware of the protest? What does it matter if the Court hears you? Judges are not permitted to be influenced by anything outside the record of the matter being heard.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA not allowed by whom????? What a freakin' joke you made my day start out with a good belly laugh. If what you said is true then at least two of the SCOTUS would have to had to have recluse themselves from the decision concerning gay marriage. But they did not. Do you really think that the Dred Scott decision was based on anything but societal bias? The making of law in the ACA rulings?

What you said is true in the abstract or in an ideal world but it is far from the reality of the situation.

You do realize that we are talking about a place that YOU own as a tax payer, not the supreme court.

 

[Freewill]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

Imagine that. A courthouse does not permit protests where they are actually working. Do you think protestors should be allowed to go anywhere, at any time and protest. How bout YOUR front porch? Or the entrance to the elementary school your kids attend? Reasonable time and place restrictions on speech and assembly rights have always been constitutional. Allowing protests in the public areas outside the court but not on the court's property, near the entrances to the Court, is reasonable.

The SCOTUS works outside, I did not know that, thanks for the information.

 

[Sonny Clark]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

So we are not free because you can march and protest 100 feet from a courthouse, but not ten feet from a courthouse? Idiotic.

In America, your freedom is your luck.

No. You are freer here than in most other places on earth. That you don't realize that is a product of your own ignorance.

In America, your freedom is your luck, period. If not, please explain why not. Thanks. ........... Remember, we have many innocent citizens in our prisons and jails. We have a very corrupt judicial system. We have a very corrupt government. We do not have freedom of privacy. We can't own anything. Everything we have is subject to taxes, and if we don't pay our taxes, the government takes what they want to take. Law enforcement can stop you for no reason, you can be searched for no reason, your property can be seized without being charged with a crime, you must carry identification on your person to prove who you are, you're not allowed the freedom to carry a weapon without a permit, and you're not allowed to have cash and assets that are not known, reported, or revealed for tax purposes. So, what real freedoms do you have other than to die and pay taxes?

 

[paddymurphy]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

Oh you still have the right to protest, just not where those you are protesting can hear.

So, moving ten feet further away, onto the public area of the court, means no one inside is aware of the protest? What does it matter if the Court hears you? Judges are not permitted to be influenced by anything outside the record of the matter being heard.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA not allowed by whom????? What a freakin' joke you made my day start out with a good belly laugh. If what you said is true then at least two of the SCOTUS would have to had to have recluse themselves from the decision concerning gay marriage. But they did not. Do you really think that the Dred Scott decision was based on anything but societal bias? The making of law in the ACA rulings?

What you said is true in the abstract or in an ideal world but it is far from the reality of the situation.

You do realize that we are talking about a place that YOU own as a tax payer, not the supreme court.

No justices would had to have recused. Your insinuation that because of Clarence Thomas's wife's partisan activity against gay marriage should have caused him to recuse is unfair. And that has nothing to do with maintaining security and decorum at a courthouse. What is the difference if the protestors are fifty feet away versus up against the front doors? Do yourself a favor and read a time and place free speech case.

 

[paddymurphy]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

So we are not free because you can march and protest 100 feet from a courthouse, but not ten feet from a courthouse? Idiotic.

In America, your freedom is your luck.

No. You are freer here than in most other places on earth. That you don't realize that is a product of your own ignorance.

In America, your freedom is your luck, period. If not, please explain why not. Thanks. ........... Remember, we have many innocent citizens in our prisons and jails. We have a very corrupt judicial system. We have a very corrupt government. We do not have freedom of privacy. We can't own anything. Everything we have is subject to taxes, and if we don't pay our taxes, the government takes what they want to take. Law enforcement can stop you for no reason, you can be searched for no reason, your property can be seized without being charged with a crime, you must carry identification on your person to prove who you are, you're not allowed the freedom to carry a weapon without a permit, and you're not allowed to have cash and assets that are not known, reported, or revealed for tax purposes. So, what real freedoms do you have other than to die and pay taxes?

Every thing you posted in support of your claim is false. We have very few innocent people in jail and have the best system in the world to prevent that. No system of justice is perfect. Ours isn't, but is better than all others. We have privacy. I own a house, commercial property, three cars and tons of frivolous toys. Taxes are not an imposition on freedom. It is what pays for the government that helps to preserve our freedom. Police cannot stop you fir no reason; they have to have specific facts that you may be engaged in a crime. Mother cannot search your home without a warrant. You confuse freedom with license and a complete abdication of responsibility. No one knows how much cash I have in my home and elsewhere. No government agency can get access to my bank records without a warrant. The only limits on your freedom are your delusions and paranoia.

 

[paddymurphy]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

Imagine that. A courthouse does not permit protests where they are actually working. Do you think protestors should be allowed to go anywhere, at any time and protest. How bout YOUR front porch? Or the entrance to the elementary school your kids attend? Reasonable time and place restrictions on speech and assembly rights have always been constitutional. Allowing protests in the public areas outside the court but not on the court's property, near the entrances to the Court, is reasonable.

The SCOTUS works outside, I did not know that, thanks for the information.

No. They work in a building. As with most government buildings, they conduct business there. People with business there come and go daily. Keeping protestors away from the doors and entrances, as they do in all government buildings, is completely appropriate. Have you never watched news stories taped outside the court on days when important decisions are announced?

Sure. There is no freedom to protest outside the court.

 

[Sonny Clark]

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

So we are not free because you can march and protest 100 feet from a courthouse, but not ten feet from a courthouse? Idiotic.

In America, your freedom is your luck.

No. You are freer here than in most other places on earth. That you don't realize that is a product of your own ignorance.

In America, your freedom is your luck, period. If not, please explain why not. Thanks. ........... Remember, we have many innocent citizens in our prisons and jails. We have a very corrupt judicial system. We have a very corrupt government. We do not have freedom of privacy. We can't own anything. Everything we have is subject to taxes, and if we don't pay our taxes, the government takes what they want to take. Law enforcement can stop you for no reason, you can be searched for no reason, your property can be seized without being charged with a crime, you must carry identification on your person to prove who you are, you're not allowed the freedom to carry a weapon without a permit, and you're not allowed to have cash and assets that are not known, reported, or revealed for tax purposes. So, what real freedoms do you have other than to die and pay taxes?

Every thing you posted in support of your claim is false. We have very few innocent people in jail and have the best system in the world to prevent that. No system of justice is perfect. Ours isn't, but is better than all others. We have privacy. I own a house, commercial property, three cars and tons of frivolous toys. Taxes are not an imposition on freedom. It is what pays for the government that helps to preserve our freedom. Police cannot stop you fir no reason; they have to have specific facts that you may be engaged in a crime. Mother cannot search your home without a warrant. You confuse freedom with license and a complete abdication of responsibility. No one knows how much cash I have in my home and elsewhere. No government agency can get access to my bank records without a warrant. The only limits on your freedom are your delusions and paranoia.

FYI - You do NOT own a house. If you think that you own your home, miss paying your property taxes and see how fast it's auctioned off on the courthouse steps. We have many innocent citizens in our jails and prisons ( The Innocence Project ). Taxation is a fraud in this country. I have listed how your tax dollars are spent many times already on USMB. Yes, citizens are stopped by cops all the time for no reason. Have you ever heard of "quota tickets", "police harassment", "mentally disturbed cops", cops given desk duty for improper stops and behavior, and a lot of other things?

They can search your home simple because some informant gave them bogus information. It happens all the time. The government can access any records on you anytime they feel like it, don't kid yourself. Have you been keeping up with the news concerning AT&T and others that freely allow the government to gather information? Have you been keeping up with wiretaps and surveillance since 9 /11?

 

[paddymurphy]

So we are not free because you can march and protest 100 feet from a courthouse, but not ten feet from a courthouse? Idiotic.

In America, your freedom is your luck.

No. You are freer here than in most other places on earth. That you don't realize that is a product of your own ignorance.

In America, your freedom is your luck, period. If not, please explain why not. Thanks. ........... Remember, we have many innocent citizens in our prisons and jails. We have a very corrupt judicial system. We have a very corrupt government. We do not have freedom of privacy. We can't own anything. Everything we have is subject to taxes, and if we don't pay our taxes, the government takes what they want to take. Law enforcement can stop you for no reason, you can be searched for no reason, your property can be seized without being charged with a crime, you must carry identification on your person to prove who you are, you're not allowed the freedom to carry a weapon without a permit, and you're not allowed to have cash and assets that are not known, reported, or revealed for tax purposes. So, what real freedoms do you have other than to die and pay taxes?

Every thing you posted in support of your claim is false. We have very few innocent people in jail and have the best system in the world to prevent that. No system of justice is perfect. Ours isn't, but is better than all others. We have privacy. I own a house, commercial property, three cars and tons of frivolous toys. Taxes are not an imposition on freedom. It is what pays for the government that helps to preserve our freedom. Police cannot stop you fir no reason; they have to have specific facts that you may be engaged in a crime. Mother cannot search your home without a warrant. You confuse freedom with license and a complete abdication of responsibility. No one knows how much cash I have in my home and elsewhere. No government agency can get access to my bank records without a warrant. The only limits on your freedom are your delusions and paranoia.

FYI - You do NOT own a house. If you think that you own your home, miss paying your property taxes and see how fast it's auctioned off on the courthouse steps. We have many innocent citizens in our jails and prisons ( The Innocence Project ). Taxation is a fraud in this country. I have listed how your tax dollars are spent many times already on USMB. Yes, citizens are stopped by cops all the time for no reason. Have you ever heard of "quota tickets", "police harassment", "mentally disturbed cops", cops given desk duty for improper stops and behavior, and a lot of other things?

They can search your home simple because some informant gave them bogus information. It happens all the time. The government can access any records on you anytime they feel like it, don't kid yourself. Have you been keeping up with the news concerning AT&T and others that freely allow the government to gather information? Have you been keeping up with wiretaps and surveillance since 9 /11?

So, you want to be a deadbeat? You lose your house if you don't pay your mortgage or if you run up huge credit card debts and they sue you. Since when is being made to pay your fucking bills an imposition on freedom? How do you think they pay for the roads that let you get to your house? The fire department you call if your house burns? The police you call when someone breaks into your house? The zoning department that will prevent your neighbor fro turning his backyard into a hazardous waste dump? You really ought to seek help for your paranoia. No one is listening to you phone calls, reading your emails or checking your bank balances.

 

[Freewill]

The SCOTUS has taken over the role of legislators and now they do not want protest for the most insane of reasons. Of course they are influenced by ideology just look at some of their rulings. But the high priests don't want protest too close.

Protesters have no free-speech rights on Supreme Court’s front porch

"Allowing demonstrations directed at the Court, on the Court’s own front terrace, would tend to yield the opposite impression: that of a Court engaged with — and potentially vulnerable to — outside entreaties by the public,” wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Sri Srinivasan, who argued often before the court as a lawyer and is sometimes mentioned as a future Supreme Court justice.

We're free to die and pay taxes, and that's about it.

Oh you still have the right to protest, just not where those you are protesting can hear.

So, moving ten feet further away, onto the public area of the court, means no one inside is aware of the protest? What does it matter if the Court hears you? Judges are not permitted to be influenced by anything outside the record of the matter being heard.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA not allowed by whom????? What a freakin' joke you made my day start out with a good belly laugh. If what you said is true then at least two of the SCOTUS would have to had to have recluse themselves from the decision concerning gay marriage. But they did not. Do you really think that the Dred Scott decision was based on anything but societal bias? The making of law in the ACA rulings?

What you said is true in the abstract or in an ideal world but it is far from the reality of the situation.

You do realize that we are talking about a place that YOU own as a tax payer, not the supreme court.

No justices would had to have recused. Your insinuation that because of Clarence Thomas's wife's partisan activity against gay marriage should have caused him to recuse is unfair. And that has nothing to do with maintaining security and decorum at a courthouse. What is the difference if the protestors are fifty feet away versus up against the front doors? Do yourself a favor and read a time and place free speech case.

oh how damn cute you are. When did Thomas's wife join the court?

From the following site, a rational look as to why they could have stepped down in this case. Not because their significant other held a view but because of what THEY themselves did.

3. In addition, Justices Ginsburg and Kagan have officiated at highly publicized homosexual marriages that would potentially be affected by the ruling in these cases. That supports a predisposition to vote in these cases to validate the marriages they have performed.

4. Moreover, four weeks after this Court granted certiorari in these cases, Justice Ginsburg was asked whether parts of the country might not accept homosexual marriage being constitutionalized. She answered: "I think it's doubtful that it wouldn't be accepted. The change in people's attitudes on that issue has been enormous. ... It would not take a large adjustment ...." Bloomberg News interview, Feb. 12, 2015. These extrajudicial comments about a matter pending before the Court violate Canon 3A (6) of the Code of Conduct for United States Judges: "A judge should not make public comment on the merits of a matter pending or impending in any court ...."

5. Additionally, by performing homosexual weddings, Justices Ginsburg and Kagan have improperly lent the prestige of their judicial office to a cause that is now before them for decision. See Canon 2B, Code of Conduct for United States Judges.

6. Furthermore, 28 U.S.C. § 455(a) mandates that any justice of the United States "shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned." See Pilla v American Bar Ass'n, 542 F.2d 56, 58 (8th Cir. 1976) (explaining that 28 U.S.C. § 455(a) applies to members of the U.S. Supreme Court).

7. Section 455(b) (4) requires recusal when a Supreme Court Justice has "any other interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding."

Two Supreme Court Judges Should Recuse themselves from Same Sex Marriage Debate | Virtueonline – The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism

 

[Freewill]

So we are not free because you can march and protest 100 feet from a courthouse, but not ten feet from a courthouse? Idiotic.

In America, your freedom is your luck.

No. You are freer here than in most other places on earth. That you don't realize that is a product of your own ignorance.

In America, your freedom is your luck, period. If not, please explain why not. Thanks. ........... Remember, we have many innocent citizens in our prisons and jails. We have a very corrupt judicial system. We have a very corrupt government. We do not have freedom of privacy. We can't own anything. Everything we have is subject to taxes, and if we don't pay our taxes, the government takes what they want to take. Law enforcement can stop you for no reason, you can be searched for no reason, your property can be seized without being charged with a crime, you must carry identification on your person to prove who you are, you're not allowed the freedom to carry a weapon without a permit, and you're not allowed to have cash and assets that are not known, reported, or revealed for tax purposes. So, what real freedoms do you have other than to die and pay taxes?

Every thing you posted in support of your claim is false. We have very few innocent people in jail and have the best system in the world to prevent that. No system of justice is perfect. Ours isn't, but is better than all others. We have privacy. I own a house, commercial property, three cars and tons of frivolous toys. Taxes are not an imposition on freedom. It is what pays for the government that helps to preserve our freedom. Police cannot stop you fir no reason; they have to have specific facts that you may be engaged in a crime. Mother cannot search your home without a warrant. You confuse freedom with license and a complete abdication of responsibility. No one knows how much cash I have in my home and elsewhere. No government agency can get access to my bank records without a warrant. The only limits on your freedom are your delusions and paranoia.

FYI - You do NOT own a house. If you think that you own your home, miss paying your property taxes and see how fast it's auctioned off on the courthouse steps. We have many innocent citizens in our jails and prisons ( The Innocence Project ). Taxation is a fraud in this country. I have listed how your tax dollars are spent many times already on USMB. Yes, citizens are stopped by cops all the time for no reason. Have you ever heard of "quota tickets", "police harassment", "mentally disturbed cops", cops given desk duty for improper stops and behavior, and a lot of other things?

They can search your home simple because some informant gave them bogus information. It happens all the time. The government can access any records on you anytime they feel like it, don't kid yourself. Have you been keeping up with the news concerning AT&T and others that freely allow the government to gather information? Have you been keeping up with wiretaps and surveillance since 9 /11?

I was stopped by a cop the other night and he asked me if I knew why. I said I didn't have a clue as to why. He said I was weaving between the lines. Yep, that is twice I got stopped for the same BS. He followed me for what could have only been a minute. He was fishing because I was actually going the speed limit and I bet he wondered why, he sure wasn't when he pulled up on me.

 

[Sonny Clark]

In America, your freedom is your luck.

No. You are freer here than in most other places on earth. That you don't realize that is a product of your own ignorance.

In America, your freedom is your luck, period. If not, please explain why not. Thanks. ........... Remember, we have many innocent citizens in our prisons and jails. We have a very corrupt judicial system. We have a very corrupt government. We do not have freedom of privacy. We can't own anything. Everything we have is subject to taxes, and if we don't pay our taxes, the government takes what they want to take. Law enforcement can stop you for no reason, you can be searched for no reason, your property can be seized without being charged with a crime, you must carry identification on your person to prove who you are, you're not allowed the freedom to carry a weapon without a permit, and you're not allowed to have cash and assets that are not known, reported, or revealed for tax purposes. So, what real freedoms do you have other than to die and pay taxes?

Every thing you posted in support of your claim is false. We have very few innocent people in jail and have the best system in the world to prevent that. No system of justice is perfect. Ours isn't, but is better than all others. We have privacy. I own a house, commercial property, three cars and tons of frivolous toys. Taxes are not an imposition on freedom. It is what pays for the government that helps to preserve our freedom. Police cannot stop you fir no reason; they have to have specific facts that you may be engaged in a crime. Mother cannot search your home without a warrant. You confuse freedom with license and a complete abdication of responsibility. No one knows how much cash I have in my home and elsewhere. No government agency can get access to my bank records without a warrant. The only limits on your freedom are your delusions and paranoia.

FYI - You do NOT own a house. If you think that you own your home, miss paying your property taxes and see how fast it's auctioned off on the courthouse steps. We have many innocent citizens in our jails and prisons ( The Innocence Project ). Taxation is a fraud in this country. I have listed how your tax dollars are spent many times already on USMB. Yes, citizens are stopped by cops all the time for no reason. Have you ever heard of "quota tickets", "police harassment", "mentally disturbed cops", cops given desk duty for improper stops and behavior, and a lot of other things?

They can search your home simple because some informant gave them bogus information. It happens all the time. The government can access any records on you anytime they feel like it, don't kid yourself. Have you been keeping up with the news concerning AT&T and others that freely allow the government to gather information? Have you been keeping up with wiretaps and surveillance since 9 /11?

So, you want to be a deadbeat? You lose your house if you don't pay your mortgage or if you run up huge credit card debts and they sue you. Since when is being made to pay your fucking bills an imposition on freedom? How do you think they pay for the roads that let you get to your house? The fire department you call if your house burns? The police you call when someone breaks into your house? The zoning department that will prevent your neighbor fro turning his backyard into a hazardous weight dump? You really ought to seek help for your paranoia. No one is listening to you phone calls, reading your emails or checking your bank balances. M

Don't be so friggin stupid. THINK. No, I'm NOT a deadbeat, and never have been one. What I have said has absolutely NOTHING to do with being a deadbeat. Please do NOT twist what I say around to make it something else. FYI- I have NO problem paying taxes for the fire department, schools, national security, roads, bridges, highways, etc.. And. I have never ever said nor implied otherwise. Again, please do NOT try to twist what I say to mean something that I did NOT say. Thanks.

And, don't be silly and stupid.

 

[paddymurphy]

No. You are freer here than in most other places on earth. That you don't realize that is a product of your own ignorance.

In America, your freedom is your luck, period. If not, please explain why not. Thanks. ........... Remember, we have many innocent citizens in our prisons and jails. We have a very corrupt judicial system. We have a very corrupt government. We do not have freedom of privacy. We can't own anything. Everything we have is subject to taxes, and if we don't pay our taxes, the government takes what they want to take. Law enforcement can stop you for no reason, you can be searched for no reason, your property can be seized without being charged with a crime, you must carry identification on your person to prove who you are, you're not allowed the freedom to carry a weapon without a permit, and you're not allowed to have cash and assets that are not known, reported, or revealed for tax purposes. So, what real freedoms do you have other than to die and pay taxes?

Every thing you posted in support of your claim is false. We have very few innocent people in jail and have the best system in the world to prevent that. No system of justice is perfect. Ours isn't, but is better than all others. We have privacy. I own a house, commercial property, three cars and tons of frivolous toys. Taxes are not an imposition on freedom. It is what pays for the government that helps to preserve our freedom. Police cannot stop you fir no reason; they have to have specific facts that you may be engaged in a crime. Mother cannot search your home without a warrant. You confuse freedom with license and a complete abdication of responsibility. No one knows how much cash I have in my home and elsewhere. No government agency can get access to my bank records without a warrant. The only limits on your freedom are your delusions and paranoia.

FYI - You do NOT own a house. If you think that you own your home, miss paying your property taxes and see how fast it's auctioned off on the courthouse steps. We have many innocent citizens in our jails and prisons ( The Innocence Project ). Taxation is a fraud in this country. I have listed how your tax dollars are spent many times already on USMB. Yes, citizens are stopped by cops all the time for no reason. Have you ever heard of "quota tickets", "police harassment", "mentally disturbed cops", cops given desk duty for improper stops and behavior, and a lot of other things?

They can search your home simple because some informant gave them bogus information. It happens all the time. The government can access any records on you anytime they feel like it, don't kid yourself. Have you been keeping up with the news concerning AT&T and others that freely allow the government to gather information? Have you been keeping up with wiretaps and surveillance since 9 /11?

So, you want to be a deadbeat? You lose your house if you don't pay your mortgage or if you run up huge credit card debts and they sue you. Since when is being made to pay your fucking bills an imposition on freedom? How do you think they pay for the roads that let you get to your house? The fire department you call if your house burns? The police you call when someone breaks into your house? The zoning department that will prevent your neighbor fro turning his backyard into a hazardous weight dump? You really ought to seek help for your paranoia. No one is listening to you phone calls, reading your emails or checking your bank balances. M

Don't be so friggin stupid. THINK. No, I'm NOT a deadbeat, and never have been one. What I have said has absolutely NOTHING to do with being a deadbeat. Please do NOT twist what I say around to make it something else. FYI- I have NO problem paying taxes for the fire department, schools, national security, roads, bridges, highways, etc.. And. I have never ever said nor implied otherwise. Again, please do NOT try to twist what I say to mean something that I did NOT say. Thanks.

And, don't be silly and stupid.

It has everything to do with being a deadbeat. The only way you can lose your home is if you don't pay your bills. Wanna keep your house? Pay your damn bills. Your house is yours. You get tax notices. If you don't pay, you get more. If you still don't pay, they lien your property. Every step of the way, you are notified and have the chance to pay or to challenge your obligation to pay. They give you access to agencies that can help if you are in financial distress. Only when you refuse to pay, can they sell your house on the courthouse steps. If I am wrong about any of this, you point it out.