Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) honored By US Supreme Court

[Hollie]

So how long have you been hearing voices in your head?

And what do they tell you to do??

I'll take this to mean that your inability to defend any of your claims has left you stuttering and mumbling.

Serious question: Which anti-psychotic medication do they currently have you on?

Domesticated Animal Eats Qur'anic Verses

In his book (volume 8, part II, pages 235 and 236), Ibn Hazm says plainly,

"The verses of stoning and breast feeding were in the possession of A'isha in a (Qur'anic) copy. When Muhammad died and people became busy in the burial preparations, a domesticated animal entered in and ate it."

A'isha herself declared that and she knew exactly what she possessed. Also, Mustafa Husayn, who edited and reorganized the book, "al-Kash-shaf" by the Zamakh-Shari, asserts this fact in page 518 of part 3. He says that the ones who related this incident and said that a domesticated animal ate the verses were reliable persons among them 'Abdulla Ibn Abi Bakr and A'isha herself.

This same story has been mentioned also by Dar-al-Qutni, al-Bazzar and al Tabarani, on the authority of Muhammad Ibn Ishaq who heard it from 'Abdulla who himself heard it from A'isha.

Professor Mustafa indicates that this does not negate that the abrogation of these verses may have occurred before the domesticated animal ate them.

Why then did 'Umar want to record the verse of the stoning in the Qur'an if its recitation was abrogated? And why did people used to read the verses of the breast-feeding?

And, if Muhammad died while these verses were still recited who abrogated them? Did the domesticated animal abrogate them?

It is evident that this really did occur according to the witness of the companions, Muslim scholars, and A'isha herself.(answering-islam.org.uk - answering-islam Resources and Information. This website is for sale! v12.html)


This is also reported by Ibn Majah and Ahmad bin Hanbal.

Ibn Majah has narrated another hadith from 'Aishah which explicitly says that the two verses were lost after the death of the Prophet. She is reported to say: 'The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper.

Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal. vol. 6. p. 269: Sunan Ibn Majah, p. 626: Ibn Qutbah, Tawil Mukhtalafi 'l-Hadith (Cairo: Maktaba al-Kulliyat al-Azhariyya. 1966) p. 310 which has been misprinted as 210-: As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol. 2. p. 13.

Alternative reference to the same hadith: Sunan Ibn Maaja, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934

 

[Sunni Man]

Hollie you really should make an appointment with your mental health care provider and have your med's dosage increased.

Seriously............

 

[Dajjal]

The Qur'an has mistakes which cannot be explained. Care to adress that?

There is nothing to address; because the Qur'an does not contain any mistakes.

More evidence the quran is not from God. The quran incorrectly copies the bible by saying that Noah lived 950 years, but this is a miss translation in the bible made by an early scribe.

Quran says Noah lived 950 years:

Quran 29
Quote:

YUSUFALI: We (once) sent Noah to his people, and he tarried among them a thousand years less fifty: but the Deluge overwhelmed them while they (persisted in) sin.

PICKTHAL: And verily we sent Noah (as Our messenger) unto his folk, and he continued with them for a thousand years save fifty years; and the flood engulfed them, for they were wrong-doers.

SHAKIR: And certainly We sent Nuh to his people, so he remained among them a thousand years save fifty years. And the deluge overtook them, while they were unjust.



Genesis chapter 9
Quote:

28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.
29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.



When translating Genesis they screwed up the numbering system. This shows directly that the Quran copied a translation of Genesis and therefore the Quran didn't come from God.

Quote:


The incredible numbers in Genesis 5 were the result of an ancient scribe mistranslating some archaic pre-cuneiform numbers into cuneiform sexagesimal numbers. The incredible numbers in the Sumerian King List were also mistranslated by another ancient scribe. This book successfully matches the Genesis 5 numbers to the Sumerian King List numbers.




http://www.flood-myth.com/

 

[Hollie]

Hollie you really should make an appointment with your mental health care provider and have your med's dosage increased.

Seriously............

How sad for you that you're unable to offer a relevant comment. The entirety of your commenting is reduced to childish personal attacks as you have no facts relevant to the issues.

Similarly, how sad you actually believe "the Koran hasn't changed", nonsense. Sorry to break the news to you, but it is not true. You have swallowed the myth of the korans' "miraculous preservation" hook line and sinker. You need go no further than compare the text of two different koranic qira'at (say… Hafs and Warsh) to see that the manuscripts are not the same. They are very similar, and preserve the same meaning. But they are not the same. At least they are no more similar than hundreds of other books, far older than the koran, and that make no claim to divine origin. Those are fabricated too, you know.

Since I am not Moslem, my concern is not really whether or not the koran is authentic. It is whether or not the koran is actually true. Something can be absolutely authentic, and yet still be entirely unconnected with truth.

In other words, even if we believe the myth of the "perfectly preserved koran" or the myth of the "path of transmission of the koran is perfect", there are still insurmountable problems. If what was being transmitted was never of divine origin in the first place, why would all this fuss really matter? So the big problem here is that even were we to pretend a perfect chain of transmission to Muhammad (which we do not have), it ends there. It is still at least two steps removed from a claimed "Allah" god himself.

 

[Sunni Man]

Why should you even care whether the Quran is authentic or not?

Muslims believe in it 100%

And your postings to the contrary mean absolutely zero to the muslim ummah.

 

[Dajjal]

Here is a clear indication from the quran and hadiths that Muhammad made up his message based upon the ideas of his time. He clearly states the sun goes to a resting place, meaning he thought the sun orbited a flat earth in a semi circle, and is reset every dawn, and that should be enough for any thinking person to see he was not getting a message from God.


Quran sura 36.38 And the Sun runs on unto a resting place for him, That is the measuring of the mighty and wise.


The following from Hadith Bukhari confirms that Muhammad thought the sun went to a resting place and gives details that cannot be interpreted any other way.


Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38)

 

[Sunni Man]

According to the english translation it appears to be as you state.

Which just shows that translations can be very misleading.

In the orignal arabic the rising and setting of the sun is explained exactly as we know it today.

 

[Hollie]

According to the english translation it appears to be as you state.

Which just shows that translations can be very misleading.

In the orignal arabic the rising and setting of the sun is explained exactly as we know it today.

Nonsense. This will come as a shock to you but the sun setting in a muddy spring is not how we know it today. This also will come as a shock to you but the lack of a science vocabulary on your part is no reason to expect others to embrace your ignorance.
:cool.:

 

[Sunni Man]

Nonsense. This will come as a shock to you but the sun setting in a muddy spring is not how we know it today. This also will come as a shock to you but the lack of a science vocabulary on your part is no reason to expect others to embrace your ignorance.

1) The Qur'an is not a book of science; but of guidance and faith.

2) Muslims really don't care what you say or nonsense that you spew.

3) You are an Idiot

Truth................

 

[Hollie]

Why should you even care whether the Quran is authentic or not?

Muslims believe in it 100%

And your postings to the contrary mean absolutely zero to the muslim ummah.

You are free to believe the literal word of an Arab warlord who apparently suffered from various psychological disorders.

You are admitting that you care nothing for truth or accuracy. Your failings are shared by the groupies who worshipped Jim Jones, Charles Manson, David Koresh and a host of other psychopaths.

How's that workin' out for you?

 

[Dajjal]

According to the english translation it appears to be as you state.

Which just shows that translations can be very misleading.

In the orignal arabic the rising and setting of the sun is explained exactly as we know it today.

Here are all the translations I have of this verse.

36:38

Pickthall- And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.

Yusuf Ali- And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.

Hilali-Khan- And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.

Shakir- And the sun runs on to a term appointed for it; that is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing.

Sher Ali- And the sun is moving on to its determined goal. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing God.

Khalifa- The sun sets into a specific location, according to the design of the Almighty, the Omniscient.

Arberry- And the sun -- it runs to a fixed resting-place; that is the ordaining of the All-mighty, the All-knowing.

Palmer- and the sun runs on to a place of rest for it; that is the ordinance of the mighty, the wise.

Rodwell- And the Sun hasteneth to her place of rest. This, the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing!

Sale- And the sun hasteneth to his place of rest. This [is] the disposition of the mighty, the wise [God].

Darwood- The sun hastens to its resting place:its course is laid for it by the Mighty one, the all-knowing.

Transliterated Arabic- Waalshshamsu tajree limustaqarrin laha thalika taqdeeru alAAazeezi alAAaleemi

 

[Sunni Man]

Once again, a translation is still a translation.

 

[Hollie]

Nonsense. This will come as a shock to you but the sun setting in a muddy spring is not how we know it today. This also will come as a shock to you but the lack of a science vocabulary on your part is no reason to expect others to embrace your ignorance.

1) The Qur'an is not a book of science; but of guidance and faith.

2) Muslims really don't care what you say or nonsense that you spew.

3) You are an Idiot

Truth................

Your comments predictably self contradict and are predictably absurd. You have already indicated that the truth or falsehood of uthman's Koran is unimportant. Would you care to further destroy the credibility of Uthman's politico-religious ideology?

I think some clarification is in order. We actually do know the Koran was tampered with and that there are copies of copies made. The case can clearly be made that 'Uthman's Rescension was an obvious and explicit example of "changing." An objective viewer would point out that change was part of process by which the koran was created.

So yes, the words you use clearly matter. While its obvious much of the Koran is false, let's first understand an important point. Even the earliest Korans were interpretations and translations fashioned upon interpretations and translations of stories and fables spoken by "reciters".

These stories and fables had been recited by numerous reciters and then passed down and recited to others, and then to others and so on such that the original message is long gone and forgotten. If there is no original manuscript (and there isn't), there is no way to know the level of corruption the Koran has been subjected to. Either way, the Koran now in existence may have no real resemblance to the originally recited tales and fables

 

[Hollie]

Once again, a translation is still a translation.

... and a factually bankrupt translation is still factually bankrupt.

 

[Sunni Man]

Rodwell- And the Sun hasteneth to her place of rest. This, the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing!

Sale- And the sun hasteneth to his place of rest. This [is] the disposition of the mighty, the wise [God].

Translations will never be precise no matter how sincere the person doing the translating.

The above is 2 of the verses that you provided as evidence for your case.

If you will notice, one translator use the word "her" in their translation.

While another translator interprets the same word to be "his".

Neither of these translated words is accurate in describing the meaning of the actual word used in arabic.

Which illistrates the innate problem of drawing conclusions from translated works.

 

[Hollie]

Rodwell- And the Sun hasteneth to her place of rest. This, the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing!

Sale- And the sun hasteneth to his place of rest. This [is] the disposition of the mighty, the wise [God].

Translations will never be precise no matter how sincere the person doing the translating.

The above is 2 of the verses that you provided as evidence for your case.

If you will notice, one translator use the word "her" in their translation.

While another translator interprets the same word to be "his".

Neither of these translated words is accurate in describing the meaning of the actual word used in arabic.

Which illistrates the innate problem of drawing conclusions from translated works.

As usual, you find a way to destroy your own credibility. The vast majority of moslems do not read or write Arabic. That includes goofy converts. As you may discover, Arabic is a primitive language and terms can have many meanings. That is why there is often violent disagreement among moslems as to precise meaning and intent of Koranology.

As the vast majority of moslems read translations of the various korans, its clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.

You have no clue as to the definitions of translation and transliteration. No wonder you're so confused.

 

[Dajjal]

But taken over all they nearly all say the sun goes to a resting place, and the hadith I quoted goes into details which cannot be interpreted any other way.

Muhammad thought the earth was flat, and the sun orbited the flat earth in a semi circle, and was reset at every dawn.

 

[Sunni Man]

But taken over all they nearly all say the sun goes to a resting place, and the hadith I quoted goes into details which cannot be interpreted any other way.

Going to a "resting place" is based on translating an arabic idiom and in no way reppresents the actual meaning or intent of the original language.

 

[there4eyeM]

Thank you for demonstrating that you have been lying about Yeshua being your prophet too.

Yes, Jesus is a great Prophet in Islam.

But we do not believe in the false stories told in the corrupted christian Bible about Jesus. (which was the Jesus I was referring to)

Muslims only believe in the true Jesus as presented and written in the Quran.

A book which, like Avatar4321, you have chosen to believe. It is your belief that makes it special and holy - to you. There is no external reference that would imply imposing this on anyone else. You say the New Testament is false, but the verification for it is at least equal as to that for the Koran.

How do people choose what they believe in? How do they 'know' what is correct? Avatar was honest in saying it is personal revelation for him.

 

[Sunni Man]

You say the New Testament is false, but the verification for it is at least equal as to that for the Koran.

Incorrect

No one knows exactly who Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, of the Bible were; in fact they don't even have last names.

Whereas, there were thousands of eye witness accounts from both muslims and non muslims supporting that the man named Muhammad pbuh existed and lived and taught the Qur'an in Arabia.