Progressives and The Real War on Women

[PoliticalChic]

This recent headline from HuffPost bears re-reading:

"Hillary Clinton: 'I'm A Progressive, But I'm A Progressive Who Likes To Get Things Done'"
Hillary Clinton: 'I'm A Progressive, But I'm A Progressive Who Likes To Get Things Done'

This is simply ironic, given that Hillary is basing her run for the presidency on being a woman....
Progressives being supporters of women is as true as 'If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,"



1. "Richard T. Ely, the hugely influential founder of the American Economic Association and the godfather of progressive economics, explained the issue clearly, laying the groundwork for the laws that followed. His 1894 book 'Socialism and Social Reform'expressed a panic about women’s entry into the workforce:

'Restrictions should be thrown about the employment of married women, and their employment for a considerable period before and after child-birth should be prohibited under any circumstances. There should also be a restriction of the work-day, as in England, for children and young persons under eighteen, and for women. Such a limitation having beneficial effect upon the health of the community…. Night work should be prohibited for women and persons under eighteen years of age and, in particular, all work injurious to the female organism should be forbidden to women.'


[That illustrates the divide: Progressives see control of other folks' lives as their right....Americans believe in individualism and liberty.]




2. If the reference to the “female organism” sounds strange, remember that this generation of intellectuals believed in eugenics— using state force to plan the emergence of the model race — and hence saw women mainly as propagators of the race, not human individuals with the right to choose. "
Government’s War on Women: 1900–1920 | Jeffrey Tucker



3. Let's be very clear, this belief that government can and should control every aspect if the lives of the people is ingrained in every iteration of totalistic governance: Progressive, communist, fascist, Liberal, socialist or Nazi.


"For anyone who believed that government had a responsibility to plan human production (and most intellectuals at the time did believe this), the role of women was critical. They couldn’t be allowed to do what they wanted, go where they wanted, or make lives for themselves. This was the normal thought pattern for the generation that gave the United States unprecedented legal restrictions on the labor market."
Fee, Op. Cit.


Progressivism, a boilerplate big government collectivist ideology, demands control of every aspect of human endeavor, in the workplace restricting women and minorities, and in reproduction, too (eugenics).


Whenever one wishes to see what the Left is doing...check out what they charge the other side with...e.g., a "War on Women"

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Progressives should be classified as a hate group, that and progressive should be termed a mental disorder

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Progressives should be classified as a hate group, that and progressive should be termed a mental disorder

Crawl back into your bottle you smelly, slimey turd.

^^ A perfect example of a progressive. Mentally challenged and has nothing to offer to society

 

[hazlnut]

This recent headline from HuffPost bears re-reading:

"Hillary Clinton: 'I'm A Progressive, But I'm A Progressive Who Likes To Get Things Done'"
Hillary Clinton: 'I'm A Progressive, But I'm A Progressive Who Likes To Get Things Done'

This is simply ironic, given that Hillary is basing her run for the presidency on being a woman....
Progressives being supporters of women is as true as 'If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,"



1. "Richard T. Ely, the hugely influential founder of the American Economic Association and the godfather of progressive economics, explained the issue clearly, laying the groundwork for the laws that followed. His 1894 book 'Socialism and Social Reform'expressed a panic about women’s entry into the workforce:

'Restrictions should be thrown about the employment of married women, and their employment for a considerable period before and after child-birth should be prohibited under any circumstances. There should also be a restriction of the work-day, as in England, for children and young persons under eighteen, and for women. Such a limitation having beneficial effect upon the health of the community…. Night work should be prohibited for women and persons under eighteen years of age and, in particular, all work injurious to the female organism should be forbidden to women.'


[That illustrates the divide: Progressives see control of other folks' lives as their right....Americans believe in individualism and liberty.]




2. If the reference to the “female organism” sounds strange, remember that this generation of intellectuals believed in eugenics— using state force to plan the emergence of the model race — and hence saw women mainly as propagators of the race, not human individuals with the right to choose. "
Government’s War on Women: 1900–1920 | Jeffrey Tucker



3. Let's be very clear, this belief that government can and should control every aspect if the lives of the people is ingrained in every iteration of totalistic governance: Progressive, communist, fascist, Liberal, socialist or Nazi.


"For anyone who believed that government had a responsibility to plan human production (and most intellectuals at the time did believe this), the role of women was critical. They couldn’t be allowed to do what they wanted, go where they wanted, or make lives for themselves. This was the normal thought pattern for the generation that gave the United States unprecedented legal restrictions on the labor market."
Fee, Op. Cit.


Progressivism, a boilerplate big government collectivist ideology, demands control of every aspect of human endeavor, in the workplace restricting women and minorities, and in reproduction, too (eugenics).


Whenever one wishes to see what the Left is doing...check out what they charge the other side with...e.g., a "War on Women"

You far-rightie chicks should smarten up and see the writing on the wall -- The GOP sees you as a sperm-recepticle breeding machine.

Get a clue.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Progressives should be classified as a hate group, that and progressive should be termed a mental disorder

Crawl back into your bottle you smelly, slimey turd.

What a brilliant response to an educated, informed post.

So....how long have you been a Liberal?

 

[The VOR]

Progressives should be classified as a hate group, that and progressive should be termed a mental disorder

Crawl back into your bottle you smelly, slimey turd.

^^ A perfect example of a progressive. Mentally challenged and has nothing to offer to society

Hey, I thought you said you had me on ignore? Just can't help yourself can you? LOL.

 

[The VOR]

Progressives should be classified as a hate group, that and progressive should be termed a mental disorder

Crawl back into your bottle you smelly, slimey turd.

What a brilliant response to an educated, informed post.

So....how long have you been a Liberal?

You considered the post I responded to as educated and informed? LOL.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This recent headline from HuffPost bears re-reading:

"Hillary Clinton: 'I'm A Progressive, But I'm A Progressive Who Likes To Get Things Done'"
Hillary Clinton: 'I'm A Progressive, But I'm A Progressive Who Likes To Get Things Done'

This is simply ironic, given that Hillary is basing her run for the presidency on being a woman....
Progressives being supporters of women is as true as 'If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,"



1. "Richard T. Ely, the hugely influential founder of the American Economic Association and the godfather of progressive economics, explained the issue clearly, laying the groundwork for the laws that followed. His 1894 book 'Socialism and Social Reform'expressed a panic about women’s entry into the workforce:

'Restrictions should be thrown about the employment of married women, and their employment for a considerable period before and after child-birth should be prohibited under any circumstances. There should also be a restriction of the work-day, as in England, for children and young persons under eighteen, and for women. Such a limitation having beneficial effect upon the health of the community…. Night work should be prohibited for women and persons under eighteen years of age and, in particular, all work injurious to the female organism should be forbidden to women.'


[That illustrates the divide: Progressives see control of other folks' lives as their right....Americans believe in individualism and liberty.]




2. If the reference to the “female organism” sounds strange, remember that this generation of intellectuals believed in eugenics— using state force to plan the emergence of the model race — and hence saw women mainly as propagators of the race, not human individuals with the right to choose. "
Government’s War on Women: 1900–1920 | Jeffrey Tucker



3. Let's be very clear, this belief that government can and should control every aspect if the lives of the people is ingrained in every iteration of totalistic governance: Progressive, communist, fascist, Liberal, socialist or Nazi.


"For anyone who believed that government had a responsibility to plan human production (and most intellectuals at the time did believe this), the role of women was critical. They couldn’t be allowed to do what they wanted, go where they wanted, or make lives for themselves. This was the normal thought pattern for the generation that gave the United States unprecedented legal restrictions on the labor market."
Fee, Op. Cit.


Progressivism, a boilerplate big government collectivist ideology, demands control of every aspect of human endeavor, in the workplace restricting women and minorities, and in reproduction, too (eugenics).


Whenever one wishes to see what the Left is doing...check out what they charge the other side with...e.g., a "War on Women"

You far-rightie chicks should smarten up and see the writing on the wall -- The GOP sees you as a sperm-recepticle breeding machine.

Get a clue.

While my OP is supported and linked....yours reeks of bias and propaganda.


Another day, another conservative vs. liberal dialogue.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Progressives should be classified as a hate group, that and progressive should be termed a mental disorder

Crawl back into your bottle you smelly, slimey turd.

^^ A perfect example of a progressive. Mentally challenged and has nothing to offer to society

Hey, I thought you said you had me on ignore? Just can't help yourself can you? LOL.

I took you off for a moment to kick your dentures in

 

[PoliticalChic]

Progressives should be classified as a hate group, that and progressive should be termed a mental disorder

Crawl back into your bottle you smelly, slimey turd.

What a brilliant response to an educated, informed post.

So....how long have you been a Liberal?

You considered the post I responded to as educated and informed? LOL.

Yes....and it included no vulgarity....which is another hallmark of Liberal/Progressive conversation.

 

[The VOR]

Progressives should be classified as a hate group, that and progressive should be termed a mental disorder

Crawl back into your bottle you smelly, slimey turd.

^^ A perfect example of a progressive. Mentally challenged and has nothing to offer to society

Hey, I thought you said you had me on ignore? Just can't help yourself can you? LOL.

I took you off for a moment to kick your dentures in

Not even close lard ass. Now stuff a few more of them bon bons into that fat face of yours and wash them down with another slug from that bottle of rebel yell whiskey.

 

[OldLady]

This recent headline from HuffPost bears re-reading:

"Hillary Clinton: 'I'm A Progressive, But I'm A Progressive Who Likes To Get Things Done'"
Hillary Clinton: 'I'm A Progressive, But I'm A Progressive Who Likes To Get Things Done'

This is simply ironic, given that Hillary is basing her run for the presidency on being a woman....
Progressives being supporters of women is as true as 'If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,"



1. "Richard T. Ely, the hugely influential founder of the American Economic Association and the godfather of progressive economics, explained the issue clearly, laying the groundwork for the laws that followed. His 1894 book 'Socialism and Social Reform'expressed a panic about women’s entry into the workforce:

'Restrictions should be thrown about the employment of married women, and their employment for a considerable period before and after child-birth should be prohibited under any circumstances. There should also be a restriction of the work-day, as in England, for children and young persons under eighteen, and for women. Such a limitation having beneficial effect upon the health of the community…. Night work should be prohibited for women and persons under eighteen years of age and, in particular, all work injurious to the female organism should be forbidden to women.'


[That illustrates the divide: Progressives see control of other folks' lives as their right....Americans believe in individualism and liberty.]




2. If the reference to the “female organism” sounds strange, remember that this generation of intellectuals believed in eugenics— using state force to plan the emergence of the model race — and hence saw women mainly as propagators of the race, not human individuals with the right to choose. "
Government’s War on Women: 1900–1920 | Jeffrey Tucker



3. Let's be very clear, this belief that government can and should control every aspect if the lives of the people is ingrained in every iteration of totalistic governance: Progressive, communist, fascist, Liberal, socialist or Nazi.


"For anyone who believed that government had a responsibility to plan human production (and most intellectuals at the time did believe this), the role of women was critical. They couldn’t be allowed to do what they wanted, go where they wanted, or make lives for themselves. This was the normal thought pattern for the generation that gave the United States unprecedented legal restrictions on the labor market."
Fee, Op. Cit.


Progressivism, a boilerplate big government collectivist ideology, demands control of every aspect of human endeavor, in the workplace restricting women and minorities, and in reproduction, too (eugenics).


Whenever one wishes to see what the Left is doing...check out what they charge the other side with...e.g., a "War on Women"

You far-rightie chicks should smarten up and see the writing on the wall -- The GOP sees you as a sperm-recepticle breeding machine.

Get a clue.

While my OP is supported and linked....yours reeks of bias and propaganda.


Another day, another conservative vs. liberal dialogue.

It is interesting and linked, but it's about philosophies and attitudes over 100 years ago. Maybe it's just too early in the morning, but I'm not seeing a strong argument for how progressivism (?) is waging a war on women anymore than on men.

 

[007]

Progressives should be classified as a hate group, that and progressive should be termed a mental disorder

Crawl back into your bottle you smelly, slimey turd.

^^ A perfect example of a progressive. Mentally challenged and has nothing to offer to society

Report them, they're violating the Zone II rules. That's what they do to all the board conservatives. Give them a little taste of their own medicine.

 

[baileyn45]

I never understood the term "progressive". What exactly are they trying to progress to? I mean Hitler was a "progressive". He progressed into power and was trying to progress to controlling the world.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This recent headline from HuffPost bears re-reading:

"Hillary Clinton: 'I'm A Progressive, But I'm A Progressive Who Likes To Get Things Done'"
Hillary Clinton: 'I'm A Progressive, But I'm A Progressive Who Likes To Get Things Done'

This is simply ironic, given that Hillary is basing her run for the presidency on being a woman....
Progressives being supporters of women is as true as 'If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,"



1. "Richard T. Ely, the hugely influential founder of the American Economic Association and the godfather of progressive economics, explained the issue clearly, laying the groundwork for the laws that followed. His 1894 book 'Socialism and Social Reform'expressed a panic about women’s entry into the workforce:

'Restrictions should be thrown about the employment of married women, and their employment for a considerable period before and after child-birth should be prohibited under any circumstances. There should also be a restriction of the work-day, as in England, for children and young persons under eighteen, and for women. Such a limitation having beneficial effect upon the health of the community…. Night work should be prohibited for women and persons under eighteen years of age and, in particular, all work injurious to the female organism should be forbidden to women.'


[That illustrates the divide: Progressives see control of other folks' lives as their right....Americans believe in individualism and liberty.]




2. If the reference to the “female organism” sounds strange, remember that this generation of intellectuals believed in eugenics— using state force to plan the emergence of the model race — and hence saw women mainly as propagators of the race, not human individuals with the right to choose. "
Government’s War on Women: 1900–1920 | Jeffrey Tucker



3. Let's be very clear, this belief that government can and should control every aspect if the lives of the people is ingrained in every iteration of totalistic governance: Progressive, communist, fascist, Liberal, socialist or Nazi.


"For anyone who believed that government had a responsibility to plan human production (and most intellectuals at the time did believe this), the role of women was critical. They couldn’t be allowed to do what they wanted, go where they wanted, or make lives for themselves. This was the normal thought pattern for the generation that gave the United States unprecedented legal restrictions on the labor market."
Fee, Op. Cit.


Progressivism, a boilerplate big government collectivist ideology, demands control of every aspect of human endeavor, in the workplace restricting women and minorities, and in reproduction, too (eugenics).


Whenever one wishes to see what the Left is doing...check out what they charge the other side with...e.g., a "War on Women"

You far-rightie chicks should smarten up and see the writing on the wall -- The GOP sees you as a sperm-recepticle breeding machine.

Get a clue.

While my OP is supported and linked....yours reeks of bias and propaganda.


Another day, another conservative vs. liberal dialogue.

It is interesting and linked, but it's about philosophies and attitudes over 100 years ago. Maybe it's just too early in the morning, but I'm not seeing a strong argument for how progressivism (?) is waging a war on women anymore than on men.

I will add posts to this thread that inform the title....
...if you have the time and the interest, you may find it informative.

I'd be interested in seeing your opinion at the conclusion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I never understood the term "progressive". What exactly are they trying to progress to? I mean Hitler was a "progressive". He progressed into power and was trying to progress to controlling the world.

1. You are on the right track, and I won't go into the details here...but it is an anti-American ideology that crept in in the 19th century via academia.
It is based on Germanic political thought, along these lines: Hegel, Karl Marx and as you say....Hitler.

a. The Germans have a history of embracing authoritarian rule. As the German philosopher Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest” (Ralf Dahrendorf, "Society and Democracy in Germany").

b. It became strongest under FDR....
The attitude of the FDR government can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism



As seen in the OP....it is a hatred of individualism.

 

[NoNukes]

Progressives should be classified as a hate group, that and progressive should be termed a mental disorder

This is your brain on drugs.

 

[OldLady]

I never understood the term "progressive". What exactly are they trying to progress to? I mean Hitler was a "progressive". He progressed into power and was trying to progress to controlling the world.

1. You are on the right track, and I won't go into the details here...but it is an anti-American ideology that crept in in the 19th century via academia.
It is based on Germanic political thought, along these lines: Hegel, Karl Marx and as you say....Hitler.

a. The Germans have a history of embracing authoritarian rule. As the German philosopher Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest” (Ralf Dahrendorf, "Society and Democracy in Germany").

b. It became strongest under FDR....
The attitude of the FDR government can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism



As seen in the OP....it is a hatred of individualism.

Yee gads. But he is only one very screwed up man. If you were to go out (not today--it's freezing) and do a random person on the street poll, you would not find one in a thousand who agreed with Chandler's statement as you have quoted it. In this country, we DON'T have a history of embracing authoritarian rule. What some conservatives CALL authoritarian rule isn't really. If it were really authoritarian, people wouldn't be free to bitch about it so much.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I never understood the term "progressive". What exactly are they trying to progress to? I mean Hitler was a "progressive". He progressed into power and was trying to progress to controlling the world.

1. You are on the right track, and I won't go into the details here...but it is an anti-American ideology that crept in in the 19th century via academia.
It is based on Germanic political thought, along these lines: Hegel, Karl Marx and as you say....Hitler.

a. The Germans have a history of embracing authoritarian rule. As the German philosopher Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest” (Ralf Dahrendorf, "Society and Democracy in Germany").

b. It became strongest under FDR....
The attitude of the FDR government can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism



As seen in the OP....it is a hatred of individualism.

Yee gads. But he is only one very screwed up man. If you were to go out (not today--it's freezing) and do a random person on the street poll, you would not find one in a thousand who agreed with Chandler's statement as you have quoted it. In this country, we DON'T have a history of embracing authoritarian rule. What some conservatives CALL authoritarian rule isn't really. If it were really authoritarian, people wouldn't be free to bitch about it so much.

"we DON'T have a history of embracing authoritarian rule"

The best indication of the fact that many do, is that FDR, who did more to damage guidance via the only law Americans agreed to be governed by, the Constitution, was elected four time.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Progressives/Liberals...
.....let's understand who they are, and who they are not:


4. Some actually maintain that it was Liberals who founded this nation....it was, but classical liberals, not the ones colloquially called Liberals today. These current Liberals are scions of the Socialist Party.


"In the United States, where liberalism most clearly reversed its meaning, in common parlance, it was the socialist John Dewey who openly promoted the idea of stealing the liberal label. Dewey, in his book Individualism Old and New argued that liberal individualism had in fact disappeared and been replaced by state capitalism and that collectivism already existed in America.


Today a great deal of confusion reigns because socialists decided to deceptively call their own ideology liberal. And, to a very large degree, the academics who wrote the recent texts on liberalism were socialists. Hence they were quite willing to pretend that socialism was a modern form of classical liberalism.


[Classical] liberal describes individuals supporting free markets, private property, profit management and limited governments."
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