"Pro life" is not a conservative position.

[TNHarley]

The whole issue is about human rights. The issue is does the unborn child have those rights

To suggest that conservatives should not oppose abortion based on this is a strawman because the conservative believes that the unborn is human.

In fact, the whole notion of natural rights was derived upon the notion that God gave us our rights This is what the Founding Fathers believed and why we have a Bill of Rights to begin with. The state can either acknowledge them or be at war with those rights.

Who here thinks that God would be Ok with snuffing out the life of the unborn?

Anyone?

How does a fetus have human rights when its not even born? And even if you could convince me of that, how does that trump the rights of the mother? That just seems illogical to me.

 

[TNHarley]

Fetus is just another name for child. That doesn’t change what it is you’re killing.

No it isnt. Child is a young, born, human being.

 

[TNHarley]

That's YOUR opinion only.

Thats not opinion. Its fact.

 

[TNHarley]

Yup.

You're dripping, homo.

 

[Unkotare]

How does a fetus have human rights when its [sic] not even born? And even if you could convince me of that, how does that trump the rights of the mother? That just seems illogical to me.

In the normal course of events, both mother and child live. With your abortion fetish, one is sure to die.

 

[Unkotare]

You're dripping, homo.

Still wrong, death monger.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Body autonomy? What about the bodies developing inside another body?

Do only some bodies deserve body autonomy?

 

[TNHarley]

In the normal course of events, both mother and child live. With your abortion fetish, one is sure to die.

I dont have an abortion fetish. I think abortion is abhorrent.
Someones bodily autonomy is more important than my feelz. Maybe one day you will grow up and see that way as well.

 

[Unkotare]

... I think abortion is abhorrent.
...

More lies from the liar.

 

[TNHarley]

Body autonomy? What about the bodies developing inside another body?

Do only some bodies deserve body autonomy?

Ok fine. Then instead of abortion, we can cut the fetus out. Hows that?
Oh thats right, it will freaking die. But it has bodily autonomy?

 

[TNHarley]

More lies from the liar.

Dude, shut up. Dumb ass

 

[OldFlame]

Thats not opinion. Its fact.

No it isn't. You don't have any children, do you?

 

[Unkotare]

Dude, shut up. Dumb ass

Dude, NO. Death monger.

 

[TNHarley]

No it isn't. You don't have any children, do you?

What I stated was fact.
Yes.

 

[OldFlame]

Ok fine. Then instead of abortion, we can cut the fetus out. Hows that?
Oh thats right, it will freaking die. But it has bodily autonomy?

Before a certain point it will die, but after a certain point most would not. Should a woman have the 'bodily autonomy' to have a viable baby pulled out far enough to have their brains sucked out?

 

[TNHarley]

Dude, NO. Death monger.

You're an idiot.

 

[OldFlame]

What I stated was fact.
Yes.

You can say it over and over, doesn't make it true. And I don't believe you, anyone who has watched their child being born would never advocate what you are.

 

[TNHarley]

Before a certain point it will die, but after a certain point most would not. Should a woman have the 'bodily autonomy' to have a viable baby pulled out far enough to have their brains sucked out?

True, but most abortions are performed before that.
Most abortions are performed when the fetus looks like this.

 

[TNHarley]

You can say it over and over, doesn't make it true. And I don't believe you, anyone who has watched their child being born would never advocate what you are.

Repeating something doesnt make it true, but reality does.
Advocating small govt, and human rights? lmao

 

[OldFlame]

True, but most abortions are performed before that.
Most abortions are performed when the fetus looks like this.
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Not all, so you only support 'bodily autonomy' up to a certain point? 7% of 1,038,000 is 72, 660 souls murdered, do you think being eradicated from your mother's womb is not painful?

According to the Guttmacher Institute, an estimated 1,038,000 abortions were provided in the United States in 2024. This is based on data from states without total abortion bans.

The vast majority of abortions in the United States occur within the first trimester, with most happening between 6 and 13 weeks of gestation. As of 2022 data, approximately 40% of abortions occurred at six weeks or earlier, 53% occurred between 7 and 13 weeks, and only about 7% happened at 14 weeks or later.

• Early first trimester (≤6 weeks):40%
• Mid-first trimester (7–9 weeks):38.4%
• Late first trimester (10–13 weeks):14.2%
• Second trimester (≥14 weeks):7%

It is important to note that these numbers can vary slightly depending on the year and the source of the data. However, the consistent trend across different reports is that the highest percentage of abortions occurs early in the pregnancy.