"Pro life" is not a conservative position.

[Concerned American]

It is leftist big govt shit.
How can you give the govt more authority over a persons body than they have? How you can you claim to be conservative, claim to be against big govt, while putting them as overseers over peoples bodies?
Bodily autonomy is one of the most important human rights in existence.
Dont get me wrong, I think abortion is abhorrent, but the govt dictating what we do with our bodies is way worse. Its tyranny.
It makes no sense to me. At all.

Unless the mother's life is threatened, abortion is nothing but legalized murder. It has nothing to do with bodily autonomy. Where does it cease--do we get to abort petulant five year olds because they're no longer cute bundles of joy?

 

[Unkotare]

...
There are some sick people out there...

Yeah, sitting right in front of your computer.

 

[OldFlame]

Name calling? I forget you cant just have a goddamn conversation with people anymore. They are too polarized.
A 14 week old fetus is still in the embryonic stage. Its not fully formed.

You cut off my post and chose to ignore it? What other reason would there be?

Maybe you're a machine without any moral code, but I am not.

Fetal Development at 14 Weeks Pregnant

At 14 weeks pregnant, the fetus undergoes significant development, including:

Size and Growth:

• The fetus is about the size of a plum, measuring around 3.5 inches (9 cm) long and weighing approximately 1.6 ounces (45 grams).
  
  
• The body is growing faster than the head, and the limbs are becoming more proportional.
  

Organs and Systems:

• The skin is becoming thicker and more opaque, and fine hair (lanugo) is covering the body.
  
  
• • The muscles are developing, allowing the fetus to move more actively.
    
  • The bones are hardening, and the joints are forming.
    
  • The heart is fully developed and pumping blood throughout the body.
    
  • The lungs are starting to develop, but they are not yet functional.
    
  • The digestive system is maturing, and the fetus is starting to swallow amniotic fluid.
    
  • The kidneys are producing urine.
    
  • The nervous system is rapidly developing, and the fetus is starting to experience sensations.
    

Sensory Development:

• • The fetus can hear sounds and may start to respond to familiar voices.
    
  • The eyes are developing, and the fetus can sense light.
    
  • The taste buds are forming, and the fetus may be able to taste amniotic fluid.
    

Other Developments:

• • The sex of the fetus may be visible on an ultrasound.
    
  • The fetus is starting to develop facial features, such as eyebrows, nostrils, and a mouth.
    
  • The fetus may start to suck its thumb or clench its fists.

 

[OldFlame]

WTF do you think bodily autonomy is? What do you think having freedom over your own body is? Its morality.

One you place over human life, maybe you should rethink that decision.

 

[OldFlame]

No such thing.
I ask because it isnt going to happen. Unless there is a medical emergency, and at that point, they would cut it out, not abort it.

No, I do. Thats why I find abortion abhorrent. But I pick liberty over my feelings. The govt doesnt have more authority over our bodies than we do.

You pick liberty over life, without human life, liberty doesn't exist.

 

[TNHarley]

It has nothing to do with bodily autonomy. Where does it cease--do we get to abort petulant five year olds because they're no longer cute bundles of joy?

It has everything to do with it.
Nobody is advocating for killing 5 year old kids

 

[TNHarley]

One you place over human life, maybe you should rethink that decision.

I have, thanks.

 

[TNHarley]

You pick liberty over life, without human life, liberty doesn't exist.

I pick liberty over probably everything. Without liberty, no one has a life.

 

[Votto]

How does a fetus have human rights when its not even born? And even if you could convince me of that, how does that trump the rights of the mother? That just seems illogical to me.

How does a fetus have human rights just for exiting the womb?

Again, the whole Birth Fiery comes to mind.

What is magical about it in your mind?

 

[TNHarley]

How does a fetus have human rights just for exiting the womb?

Again, the whole Birth Fiery comes to mind.

What is magical about it in your mind?

Because it becomes an independent human being. One that can actually breath. Consume.
Even Adam didnt have life until god breathed into him

 

[Votto]

Because it becomes an independent human being. One that can actually breath. Consume.
Even Adam didnt have life until god breathed into him

So, you are OK with partial birth abortion where the head if half out as they end its life before passing out of the womb, even though it is viable outside the womb

Is that right?

 

[TNHarley]

So, you are OK with partial birth abortion where the head if half out as they end its life before passing out of the womb, even though it is viable outside the womb

Is that right?

Come on, man. Thats silly shit that will never happen.

 

[Votto]

Because it becomes an independent human being. One that can actually breath. Consume.
Even Adam didnt have life until god breathed into him

Just out of curiosity, if humans were like Marsupials, when would we be human?

Birth Before They’re Ready​

One of the most astonishing facts about marsupial young is how undeveloped they are at birth. In kangaroos, for instance, the newborn, called a joey, emerges from the mother’s birth canal after just 33 days of gestation. It is barely two centimeters long—about the size of a jellybean—and weighs less than a gram. It has no functional eyes, no ears, no fur, and no ability to regulate its own body temperature. In most species, the forelimbs and mouth are more developed than the rest of the body, which is crucial for the next vital step: the climb.

Immediately after birth, the joey begins a journey that is both perilous and heroic. With forelimbs adapted for grasping, the tiny creature climbs from the birth canal, across the mother’s fur, and into the pouch. This instinctual migration is not guided by sight or sound, but rather by innate tactile responses and chemical cues. Once inside the pouch, the joey finds a teat, latches on tightly, and begins to feed. This moment marks the start of a second, much longer developmental phase—one that takes place entirely within the pouch.

Also, are Eagle eggs more valuable than a human fetus?

According to the state they are.

 

[TNHarley]

I really triggered dripping poop

 

[Missouri_Mike]

No it isnt. Child is a young, born, human being.

At conception it’s a human being isn’t it? What else would it be?

 

[TNHarley]

if humans were like Marsupials, when would we be human?

Never. We would be marsupials.

 

[Concerned American]

It has everything to do with it.
Nobody is advocating for killing 5 year old kids

Naw you're advocating for murdering healthy, voiceless, humans for the convenience of irresponsible adults though.

 

[Votto]

Come on, man. Thats silly shit that will never happen.

Wrong

US Supreme Court approves ban on “partial birth abortion” - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The law defines a partial birth abortion as a procedure in which the doctor “deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a headfirst presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of a breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother, for the purpose of performing an overt act (usually the puncturing of the back of the child's skull and removing the baby's brains) that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus.” The number of such abortions carried out each year in the US is thought to be between 2200 and 5000. They are most often performed in the second trimester.

And what is the difference between doing this to a viable infant who is still in the womb?

 

[Votto]

Naw you're advocating for murdering healthy, voiceless, humans for the convenience of irresponsible adults though.

He gets all bent out of shape when the Left mutilates the genitals of children but seems just fine with them snuffing out their life in the most barbaric of procedures.

Very puzzling.

 

[TNHarley]

Naw you're advocating for murdering healthy, voiceless, humans for the convenience of irresponsible adults though.

Not at all. I dont want abortion to happen. I just want the govt to stay the hell out of it.
And its not just irresponsible adults. BC is not 100% effective. Condoms break. Shit happens, man.